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Sorry but that makes sense, that's not allowed anymore.
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you are literally dealing with them by killing them.
let me put it this way, if I was able to fucking drop kick this bitch, in game, and characters reacted to me beating the shit of this 6 trillion polygon woman,
with the story changing slightly to mentioned me fucking drop kicking her that one time every 20 minutes, and her feeling threated by my presence for the entire game.
that's turning a 3/10 game, into at LEAST a 7/10 experience,
don't fucking tell me sony didn't have the money to implement this,
games can be so much more.
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The closet you can get is modding.
I installed a mod for the NCR's flag that made it a trans flag for my legion playthrough and went in guns blazing in NCR bases late game.
I installed some realism mods for Red Dead Redemption 2 and a spicy reskin mod that replaces the stereotypical confederate gang you're killing countless times with black people and had a blast. I also installed a mod that lets me make NPCs kill themselves so I'd intentionally gameover for laughs sometimes.
Then there's things like the moonman mod for DOOM.
It's going to be a while before the pendulum swings all the way back enough to where things get better.
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You can't just Go-Pro footage from modern-day Bakersfield and claim its a trailer for your game. That's cheating.
Like, come on man, don't plagiarize the travel guides on top of that.
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I love fallout 2 and no one will convince me that its bad
Sure references are plentiful and outdated, they are also a sign that some turbo nerds made this game, which i cant help but find endearing.
Sure references are plentiful and outdated, they are also a sign that some turbo nerds made this game, which i cant help but find endearing.
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I can't offer anything you probably haven't tried but here's some suggestions, just in case
- Try using the Ref ID instear of the Form ID, if the engineer has one
- After attempting the above, and resurrecting Moore as well, try using
resetquest VMQ03bI don't know if using the Editor ID works withresetquest. If it doesn't, try00131F09 - As a last ditch attempt, try doing the above and then
rdf, which will reset all actor dialog trees. This will probably cause more problems than it solves but if you've tried everything else then it's worth a try. Just make a hard save, obviously.
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finishing honest hearts and doing boone companion quest back to back is badass as fuck
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I think more than anything it just needed a wild wasteland option
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Yeah GTA is pretty cool
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Can you use the setstage command to jump into a later part of the quest to bypass the failing triggers?
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There's a reason all the copies were almost lost. Blatant radical homosexual agitprop?
Those groups were around in the 90s, niche, but I don't think anybody would think they'd be anything more than that.
Fallout 2 was going to include a reference to such groups but didn't.
Whilst Fallout did push some against-the-grain attitudes, it was largely from a then-Liberal perspective which is basically soft-NAP. "Leave me I alone, I leave you alone," and so on. The colloquial "agenda" considers "live and let live" anathema, because they equate "normalising" and "integration" with "erasure". The earnest-gays thought gay marriage was the last obstacle to them being viewed as "normal" and maybe so many of them would stop being degenerate i.e. a "civilising force" as one journalist put it. When these types pulled back to become "normal" it left behind the same sort of thinkers who pushed a lot of the trans/genderfluid/systematic racism stuff i.e. those who thought heterosexuality being "normal" as a form of "oppression" because it's a sexuality that has been enforced on people via heteronormative practices (they believe this).
Due to these people believing that normalisation is in fact oppressive, any game that highlights sexuality, gender identity, gender norms, etcetera, are more damaging than Fallout 2 treating the whole thing as normal without necessarily bringing attention to the fact that it is normal, thereby undoing it. The agenda pushers don't want to be viewed as "normal", they want to "free" people from oppressive heteronormative societal standards. I'd put the before/after cutoff point of truly agenda-pushing games being before and after 2014. The Liberal approach dominating all of a sudden (2008-2014) but then things shifting to hyper left-wing (2015-2025[maybe?)) lead to the two mixing, but the agenda pushers don't want "normalcy" they want destruction of normalcy since normalcy is oppressive. If the game draws attention to its own subversions of normalcy as specific subversions to make up for some kind of injustice, or the devs themselves state this as the purpose of the subversion, then that's a game pushing an agenda.
The reason why the right-wing struggled in the culture war was because both political wings share a central core of being Liberal (Liberal as defined by Locke i.e. "Free will is a god-given right so to impede it is to sin", not whatever Liberalism has been twisted into today) - this translates as "You leave me alone I leave you alone, and I will come to your aid if someone else is violating your right to be left alone." The right-wing couldn't really fight back against a message it ultimately believed in except to moralise over the wrong choices made by indiividuals, especially if those choices did not then cause them to actively infringe upon the free will of others. It was when they shifted to demanding compulsion of language, action, and thought they effectively stopped being Lockean Liberal and became Neoliberal, which sees morality and individual liberty get democratised when prior it was unassailable.
Fallout 2's inclusion of gay marriage + any other gay-aligned elements is not as bad as games including elements that you are forced to engage with. Pronoun selection could be the only offending element but because it's treating pronouns, which are tied to biology and sex, as subjective/selectable by the individual, which is intrinsically tied to upper-tier lefty wank. You can play FNV without ever realising Gannon is gay, or interacting with him for that matter. Fallout 4 is pretty sterile of these elements altogether, which is surprising.
Obsidian's downfall as far as agenda pushing is concerned was with Tyranny or Pillars of Eternity 2 (but maybe it began with 1, don't remember). Since the inclusion of 1 (presence of optional faggotry) usually belies 2 (presence of non-optional faggotry) you can on sight kneejerk react and typically be right in assuming the creator's intent of pushing an agenda, especially in a post-2015 world. Older examples you can point to and say contributed to normalisation of these elements, but considering the people being "normalised" also includes those that don't want to be and push for their identities being regarded as sacred (Trans-"women" never just call themselves "women" for this reason - they want their cake and eat it too), It might sound like I'm overcomplicating a very simple thing but it explains the sudden shift from "optional potential gay marriage comedy scene in Fallout 2 that is missable" got replaced with "non-optional non-binary Dragon Age Qunari who is required to interact with to get the best ending".
Due to these people believing that normalisation is in fact oppressive, any game that highlights sexuality, gender identity, gender norms, etcetera, are more damaging than Fallout 2 treating the whole thing as normal without necessarily bringing attention to the fact that it is normal, thereby undoing it. The agenda pushers don't want to be viewed as "normal", they want to "free" people from oppressive heteronormative societal standards. I'd put the before/after cutoff point of truly agenda-pushing games being before and after 2014. The Liberal approach dominating all of a sudden (2008-2014) but then things shifting to hyper left-wing (2015-2025[maybe?)) lead to the two mixing, but the agenda pushers don't want "normalcy" they want destruction of normalcy since normalcy is oppressive. If the game draws attention to its own subversions of normalcy as specific subversions to make up for some kind of injustice, or the devs themselves state this as the purpose of the subversion, then that's a game pushing an agenda.
The reason why the right-wing struggled in the culture war was because both political wings share a central core of being Liberal (Liberal as defined by Locke i.e. "Free will is a god-given right so to impede it is to sin", not whatever Liberalism has been twisted into today) - this translates as "You leave me alone I leave you alone, and I will come to your aid if someone else is violating your right to be left alone." The right-wing couldn't really fight back against a message it ultimately believed in except to moralise over the wrong choices made by indiividuals, especially if those choices did not then cause them to actively infringe upon the free will of others. It was when they shifted to demanding compulsion of language, action, and thought they effectively stopped being Lockean Liberal and became Neoliberal, which sees morality and individual liberty get democratised when prior it was unassailable.
Fallout 2's inclusion of gay marriage + any other gay-aligned elements is not as bad as games including elements that you are forced to engage with. Pronoun selection could be the only offending element but because it's treating pronouns, which are tied to biology and sex, as subjective/selectable by the individual, which is intrinsically tied to upper-tier lefty wank. You can play FNV without ever realising Gannon is gay, or interacting with him for that matter. Fallout 4 is pretty sterile of these elements altogether, which is surprising.
Obsidian's downfall as far as agenda pushing is concerned was with Tyranny or Pillars of Eternity 2 (but maybe it began with 1, don't remember). Since the inclusion of 1 (presence of optional faggotry) usually belies 2 (presence of non-optional faggotry) you can on sight kneejerk react and typically be right in assuming the creator's intent of pushing an agenda, especially in a post-2015 world. Older examples you can point to and say contributed to normalisation of these elements, but considering the people being "normalised" also includes those that don't want to be and push for their identities being regarded as sacred (Trans-"women" never just call themselves "women" for this reason - they want their cake and eat it too), It might sound like I'm overcomplicating a very simple thing but it explains the sudden shift from "optional potential gay marriage comedy scene in Fallout 2 that is missable" got replaced with "non-optional non-binary Dragon Age Qunari who is required to interact with to get the best ending".
Alhamdulillah
The lack of conventional sources of pork make that easy to avoid eating, but you're also not allowed to eat the meat of carnivores/hunters (this includes Mantis meat), so you're probably stuck with eating Brahmin for protein but I digress.
Running away rather than fighting at the start of Honest Hearts would also count as a violation of Islamic Law.
It's one of the reasons why Muslims were able to conquer to quickly (aside from attacking much weaker opponents than themselves at the time) because surrender/retreat was anathema in Islamic law. They then stagnated for centuries because surrender itself being a sin means massive senseless losses of life in the worst case, so it was actually better to not fight at all if there was the risk you could lose.
One of the workarounds for things like Mamluks/Janissaries, I.E. slave soldiers who were obliged to fight. It was illegal to enslave other Muslims but not non-Muslims. You could then, without breaking the rules lmao, convert a slave to Islam and still be permitted to keep them enslaved because you didn't enslave them while they were Muslim. Some were wary that was a blatant loophole so didn't risk it, or took it more literally hence the numerous influential non-Muslim advisors you can find from time to time who were permitted to keep their faith but were still slaves otherwise. The slave soldiers, who could be Muslims themselves (and eventually always were like the Jannisaries), could be commanded to surrender/retreat without sinning because their status compels them. The video itself contains the verse on why this is:
Also: Gambling and drinking. Whilst the Quran does eventually conclude a good Muslim can do with neither, it doesn't expressly forbid them. It warns that they can influence and make your prayers insincere or corrupted if they're too large a part of your existence, the actual acts themselves are not anathema hence why both only saw banning many centuries after Islam was cemented and why alchohol is present and purchasable in the more secular Islamic countries. If a "good Muslim" does without either, then the conclusion is that depriving a society of either will leave it populated only by "good Muslims". This didn't stop replacement sources of intoxication like hashish (electric hashish pens saw an emergence with Muslims in Europe before the rise of vaping, I'm not making this up) from taking their place...
Regarding joinable factions: The Legion is actually nonviable due to its practice of slavery, Whether Democracy is anti-Islamic is up to individual interpretation which means the NCR isn't inherently non-viable, but the tolerance of gays and woman soldiers would probably serve as a greater asterisk against a Muslim siding with the NCR than anything else. Women are permitted to fight in Islam believe it or not but mostly in self-defence/last stand capacities, not as frontline soldiers in an offensive capacity. If you can view the NCR as being on the defensive against the Legion however, then there's enough wiggle room to view the use of women as permissable.
By far the biggest mark against House is blowing up the Brotherhood as their tecno-fetishism isn't actually haram so it really just is murder. Your only chance of abiding by House whilst also making the Brotherhood thing justifiable is if you get inside and resist rather than be put in the collar and kill them all. Yes man for the same reason is objectionable because there's no real circumstance where killing House can be justified because in order to achieve those circumstances you must first steal (Platinum chip - refuse to hand it over) or put him in a position to defend himself which still puts you as the aggressor.
This would mean House and NCR are the most viable paths for Allah's strongest soldiers. The former if you kill the entire brotherhood upon attempted capture and the latter if you never interact with the lesbian and if you can justify woman soldiers. The former is much more strict than the latter. Legion is permissable if you view as whoever you join as being the Caliph or something so you then judge them as being Muslim, but given that female slaves are given physical labour tasks the Legion aren't even good at doing Islamic slavery, and they're the self-admitted aggressors too so there's no defensive Jihad justification to be made like with the NCR's woman soldiers.
A lot of terrorism and shit is done on the basis that Islam is in a state of perpetual (defensive) war and so the murder of non-combatants via suicide bombings and shit is because of this mental gymnastics. In Islam it's argued it was the first religion, so in a sense, any religion not itself infringed upon it and thus anyone not Muslim is an aggressor. This is a very loopy thought process but is evidently popular given Islamic terrorism has been ongoing for 70+ years at this point.
Running away rather than fighting at the start of Honest Hearts would also count as a violation of Islamic Law.
It's one of the reasons why Muslims were able to conquer to quickly (aside from attacking much weaker opponents than themselves at the time) because surrender/retreat was anathema in Islamic law. They then stagnated for centuries because surrender itself being a sin means massive senseless losses of life in the worst case, so it was actually better to not fight at all if there was the risk you could lose.
One of the workarounds for things like Mamluks/Janissaries, I.E. slave soldiers who were obliged to fight. It was illegal to enslave other Muslims but not non-Muslims. You could then, without breaking the rules lmao, convert a slave to Islam and still be permitted to keep them enslaved because you didn't enslave them while they were Muslim. Some were wary that was a blatant loophole so didn't risk it, or took it more literally hence the numerous influential non-Muslim advisors you can find from time to time who were permitted to keep their faith but were still slaves otherwise. The slave soldiers, who could be Muslims themselves (and eventually always were like the Jannisaries), could be commanded to surrender/retreat without sinning because their status compels them. The video itself contains the verse on why this is:
Also: Gambling and drinking. Whilst the Quran does eventually conclude a good Muslim can do with neither, it doesn't expressly forbid them. It warns that they can influence and make your prayers insincere or corrupted if they're too large a part of your existence, the actual acts themselves are not anathema hence why both only saw banning many centuries after Islam was cemented and why alchohol is present and purchasable in the more secular Islamic countries. If a "good Muslim" does without either, then the conclusion is that depriving a society of either will leave it populated only by "good Muslims". This didn't stop replacement sources of intoxication like hashish (electric hashish pens saw an emergence with Muslims in Europe before the rise of vaping, I'm not making this up) from taking their place...
Regarding joinable factions: The Legion is actually nonviable due to its practice of slavery, Whether Democracy is anti-Islamic is up to individual interpretation which means the NCR isn't inherently non-viable, but the tolerance of gays and woman soldiers would probably serve as a greater asterisk against a Muslim siding with the NCR than anything else. Women are permitted to fight in Islam believe it or not but mostly in self-defence/last stand capacities, not as frontline soldiers in an offensive capacity. If you can view the NCR as being on the defensive against the Legion however, then there's enough wiggle room to view the use of women as permissable.
By far the biggest mark against House is blowing up the Brotherhood as their tecno-fetishism isn't actually haram so it really just is murder. Your only chance of abiding by House whilst also making the Brotherhood thing justifiable is if you get inside and resist rather than be put in the collar and kill them all. Yes man for the same reason is objectionable because there's no real circumstance where killing House can be justified because in order to achieve those circumstances you must first steal (Platinum chip - refuse to hand it over) or put him in a position to defend himself which still puts you as the aggressor.
This would mean House and NCR are the most viable paths for Allah's strongest soldiers. The former if you kill the entire brotherhood upon attempted capture and the latter if you never interact with the lesbian and if you can justify woman soldiers. The former is much more strict than the latter. Legion is permissable if you view as whoever you join as being the Caliph or something so you then judge them as being Muslim, but given that female slaves are given physical labour tasks the Legion aren't even good at doing Islamic slavery, and they're the self-admitted aggressors too so there's no defensive Jihad justification to be made like with the NCR's woman soldiers.
A lot of terrorism and shit is done on the basis that Islam is in a state of perpetual (defensive) war and so the murder of non-combatants via suicide bombings and shit is because of this mental gymnastics. In Islam it's argued it was the first religion, so in a sense, any religion not itself infringed upon it and thus anyone not Muslim is an aggressor. This is a very loopy thought process but is evidently popular given Islamic terrorism has been ongoing for 70+ years at this point.
TLDR: House is best option for Islam's strongest soldier if you kill the Brotherhood when they attempt to capture you because Gambling/Drinking Alchohol is in itself not a deal breaker in Islam. NCR second best because "defensive Jihad" makes it easy to defend the use of women soldiers, with the biggest potential asterisk being the tolerance of homosexuality, and democracy itself isn't intolerable. Legion slavery, even if viewed from an Islamic context, is done incorrectly (women being made to carry heavy objects, children of slaves are still slaves) and in a non-Islamic context is still haram. Biggest hurdle to Yes Man is the murder of House and it's inherently aggressive nature (Courier vs everyone else) also makes it iffy, especially given you're removing all semblance of order rather than establishing a new independent authority.
Salam alaikum, Mr House.
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Honestly, the disdain for the more madcap parts of 2 probably inspired them to make it opt-in
Sargon's wife's son
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I look forward to the utter collapse of the Fallout series when Fallout 5 is a massive flop because they have destroyed the horn soul of the game. Tim Kaine is ultimately correct, even though he likes the TV show when he says that you cannot make a game for everyone. But Chris Avalon will still be the best OG fallout guy, even though he started on 2. For literally whipping the TV show a new asshole.
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im going for a fix everyone shit-yes man route. see how it goes
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I appreciate the help lads, but at this point I've just decided to raise my hands and say "I give up." Its not game breaking and I can just continue to the Dam fight. As for how this even happened, gather round and I'll tell you.
So to begin a similar situation happened to me with another quest via Birds of a Feather. I was doing Kings Gambit for the NCR and I thought "hey there's a route where you can frame the Van Graffs via killing Pacer on the job, I'll just do that." so I made my way to the Silver Rush to apply for the job. I knew something was off because:
A. Simon at the door didn't take my weaponry.
B. He uses the more friendly greeting that he uses after you finish Birds of a Feather.
C. Gloria did not have any dialogue options to offer me a job at all, and I tried everything: rdf, resetquest, etc.
Do you wanna know why the quest had not appeared at all? One of the objectives for the quest is killing Cass, who by this point had already gotten pissy with me for being a bad boy so I sent her back west. Turn out that straight up automatically prevents Birds of a Feather from starting, like at all. I had to reload a save back from couple hours before then to when Cass is still around, which by this point meant redoing the entirety of the Boomers quest. If at any point you send Cass back to the west, or kill her too I think, this will fail the quest, and I don't mean hard fail as in you get a "quest failed/finished" notif I mean the quest just "completes" itself in the quest log likely because the game is crapping itself trying to figure out why a certain actor is no longer there when it should be so it just gives up.
The reason this matters to Arizona Killer is because it was foreshadowing. In short the same thing happened. There are two characters present at Hoover Dam that are absolutely required for Arizona Killer to occur: a disguised Legion spy who's named "NCR Engineer", and Colonel Moore. Now you might be saying "Shouldn't Moore have already despawned from the game by now?" and yes, she is supposed to despawn if you fail the NCR questline. Here's the kicker though: I did fail the NCR quest line but only because I killed Moore before the part of Render Unto Caesar that fails the NCR questline. It also just so happens that on way out I killed the other character needed for the quest: the legion spy engineer that they just decided to place at Hoover Dam before the quest instead of just having him spawn during it????
Now, here's the real kick in the head to all of this: I would do what I did for Birds of a Feather and just bite the bullet and load back a previous hard save. Here's the problem: I killed Moore and that engineer forever ago, like 10-12 hours ago from the last save. Obviously this is what lead to me to trying other unorthodox means of starting the quest, none of which helped sadly.
So basically I've been cockblocked out of arguably the most unique quest in the game because of factors that the game did not telegraph to me. We can argue about whether or not it would make sense lore wise that if Cass isn't present in the Mojave anymore the Van Graff's wouldn't have much use for you or that if Moore was killed in her office by a legion assassin it would make even a half-wit like Kimball decide "hey maybe I shouldn't go to the Dam right now"
I can very much now see the irony in this post I made now. It's funny to me that this happens to me the same time we have the "you should be able to kill everyone" conversation. This is one of the situations where I see why there are guard rails.
Funnily enough, Beyond the Beef actually worked perfectly fine this time around.
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I'm still a fan of being allowed to kill everyone but there's no excuse for this. If you make a action that prevents another quest from completing it should give you a "quest failed" message. I wonder if YUP et al. would have fixed this had they been installed at the time? It's not going to help you now, I'm just wondering. I don't see it in the docs. so probably not.
Nice, I hope you chose the based option (turning them back to cannibalism). Edit: Oh right, you were working for the Legion, duh.
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This looks really fun lol.
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Lmao, seems funny.
Next time a group of Chairmen can appear by representing Mr. House, i think.