Fallout series

[Mysterious Autist XX]

Can you expect anything less from Fallout fans?


So, offering an honest critique for a practically non existent unimportant flaw of New Vegas' that exists in my headcanon and showing how it shares some flaws with Fallout 4 makes me a Bethesdrone?

Fine, then. I'll wear that badge with pride.

FTFY

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Criticizing New Vegas's flaws by making up something that isn't in the game and using that to pretend it's on par with 4 is what makes you a Bethesdrone.

It's in the game, you dipshit. You really are just that pathetic, aren't you?

And yes, it is on par with the flaw of the whole "find your son" thing in 4.

Most folks who are contractually obligated by the force of law to make a delivery will see it through. Most folks who survive getting shot would want to get back at the guy who did it. And most folks who lost their child will want that child back. But you can roleplay as someone who isn't like most folks, even if it is unrealistic, so long as it's fun.

This whole debate literally started because your "realistic" New Vegas RP fantasies of fucking off and putting the platinum chip quest on hold got poked in the hole by showing how the Courier ignoring their legal obligation to make their delivery is as unrealistic as the Sole Survivor putting the quest to find their son on hold. How pathetic.

But as I said before, if you wanted realism, Fallout isn't the series for you. The whole franchise is filled with unrealistic scenarios, and a parent forgetting about their son, or a courier forgetting about their legal obligations, are far from the biggest offenders.

 

[Vault Boy]

This entire argument has been autistic even for Fallout standards

25 years of Fallout, and this anniversary is amounting to daily missions with extra steps for 76, a TV show helmed by the guys that ran Westworld into the ground (and given what Microsoft allowed with Halo's show, I'm not holding any hope for this one), and this thread bitching about petty shit in games from the 2010s. Hooray...

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

FTFY

https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Mojave_Express_delivery_order_(6_of_6)

"You are an authorized agent of the Mojave Express Package until delivery is complete and payment has been processed, contractually obligated to complete this transaction and materially responsible for any malfeasance or loss. Failure to deliver the proper recipient may result in forfeiture of your advance and bonus, criminal charges, and/or pursuit by mercenary reclamation teams. The Mojave Express is not responsible for any injury or loss of life you experience as a result of said reclamation efforts."

That doesn't look like headcanon to me.

25 years of Fallout, and this anniversary is amounting to daily missions with extra steps for 76, a TV show helmed by the guys that ran Westworld into the ground (and given what Microsoft allowed with Halo's show, I'm not holding any hope for this one), and this thread bitching about petty shit in games from the 2010s. Hooray...

Frankly, I'm surprised the franchise lasted this long. New Vegas, despite its flaws, is the only game that can compete story-wise with other RPG super-hits like KOTOR, Mass Effect, Deus Ex, or the Final Fantasy games. Every other game has massive flaws in it, from the Bethesda games, to the old Interplay games.

That TV show is probably just a bone they threw at the fans. And given how they treated even their own star franchise, I doubt Microsoft will really care what this show will do other than checking the boxes to make sure the tumblr crowd and the clockbait websites will praise it. More stuff about how old world America is evil, I guess, and how everyone who hates Communism is an irredeemable Nazi at heart. But hey, at least this time, they can point to Fallout 2 and say the games did it first.

 

[Mysterious Autist XX]

25 years of Fallout, and this anniversary is amounting to daily missions with extra steps for 76, a TV show helmed by the guys that ran Westworld into the ground (and given what Microsoft allowed with Halo's show, I'm not holding any hope for this one), and this thread bitching about petty shit in games from the 2010s. Hooray...

Well how about some positive conversation to change things up, I picked up Tactics during the Summer Sale as it was the only entry besides the Xbox classic exclusive BoS that I haven't played and once I figured out how to make my squad all move together I began enjoying it. If BoS didn't exist I would actually consider Tactics a decent send off to the Interplay era.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Well how about some positive conversation to change things up, I picked up Tactics during the Summer Sale as it was the only entry besides the Xbox classic exclusive BoS that I haven't played and once I figured out how to make my squad all move together I began enjoying it. If BoS didn't exist I would actually consider Tactics a decent send off to the Interplay era.

Come to think of it, a Fallout strategy game would have been great. Either one set during the Great War between America and Red China, or one set after the war, with many factions battling for control.

Think Starcraft or Command and Conquer, with Fallout factions and heroes. Each with their own strengths and weaknesses. Wouldn't that be interesting? Imagine a match between an Enclave player and a Legion player; the former relies on expensive units with a lot of power, while the latter relies on Zerg-rushing with large numbers. There's all sorts of possibilities there.

 

[Mysterious Autist XX]

Come to think of it, a Fallout strategy game would have been great. Either one set during the Great War between America and Red China, or one set after the war, with many factions battling for control.

Think Starcraft or Command and Conquer, with Fallout factions and heroes. Each with their own strengths and weaknesses. Wouldn't that be interesting? Imagine a match between an Enclave player and a Legion player; the former relies on expensive units with a lot of power, while the latter relies on Zerg-rushing with large numbers. There's all sorts of possibilities there.

Yeah an RTS would be dope, hell I would love a Civilization style game too even if I would probably only play as the New Canaanites assuming their leader is Joshua Graham.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Yeah an RTS would be dope, hell I would love a Civilization style game too even if I would probably only play as the New Canaanites assuming their leader is Joshua Graham.

Imagine their units being armed with .45 auto pistols, and their special units give strength and morale boosts due to religious preaching. Heck, imagine their faction-wide bonus of using missionary work to convert tribals to the faith and adding more people to their side.

 

[Mysterious Autist XX]

Imagine their units being armed with .45 auto pistols, and their special units give strength and morale boosts due to religious preaching.

It would be all I need to have a good time as I start a crusade against everyone

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

It would be all I need to have a good time as I start a crusade against everyone

Just say that they defile God's land, and you're good to go. Hey, that's how the original Crusade started, so it has historical precedent. Imagine Joshua Graham launching a crusade against the White Legs like some kind of Medieval Pope.

 

[Mysterious Autist XX]

Just say that they defile God's land, and you're good to go. Hey, that's how the original Crusade started, so it has historical precedent. Imagine Joshua Graham launching a crusade against the White Legs like some kind of Medieval Pope.

It would be even better if the White Legs had an alliance with Caesar's Legion cause then Joshua Graham could take out two of his biggest enemies at once

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

It would be even better if the White Legs had an alliance with Caesar's Legion cause then Joshua Graham could take out two of his biggest enemies at once

The Legion is too big for Graham, but I suppose if he makes friends with some other factions, or has his men convert tribals to his faith, he can tip the numbers to his favor.

 

[Saturnalia-1918]

25 years of Fallout, and this anniversary is amounting to daily missions with extra steps for 76, a TV show helmed by the guys that ran Westworld into the ground (and given what Microsoft allowed with Halo's show, I'm not holding any hope for this one), and this thread bitching about petty shit in games from the 2010s. Hooray...

You just know they're going to shit up the TV show like they did the Halo show. I'm betting with "current year" standards we'll get a more inclusive Legion, the Enclave is going to be a caricature of whatever politician is currently being designated as the enemy, and they'll just butcher the lore.

 

[Shidoen]

New Vegas was also recently populated by three tribes that swore allegiance to House. And House also still has the Securitrons. Not to mention the NCR are nearby and even have an outpost there. Between the two, they have more than enough manpower to sweep the slums clean; the only reason why they haven't cleaned up the place is due to sheer apathy, since cleaning up Freeside and fortifying it for defense against the Legion is a sound strategic move.


And? Bethesda were tasked with making a Fallout game, and they delivered. It's like when Intelligent Systems were tasked with making a Mario RPG, and the final boss for the first game in their Paper Mario RPG series was Bowser, AKA the final boss of most Mario games. After the success of their first Fallout game, they started making their own factions, like the Institute, the Railroad, and the Minutemen, with only the BoS as the legacy faction since even Interplay had them around for at least four Fallout games before selling the series to Bethesda.

Not to mention the fact that two out of four Interplay Fallouts had the Super Mutants as the bad guys. So again, it's not like Interplay didn't do the same with Super Mutants when the Master was already beaten in the first Fallout game.

Again, the most Obsidian were able to make when tasked with making their own continuation to Fallout were A) Rapture on the ground with a capitalist version of Thrawn as a battle droid commander, and B) every evil empire trope rolled into one tribe. And given what they did with The Outer Worlds, giving Fallout to them and letting them come up with a new villain would have probably ended with a stereotypical corporate asshole faction that we've seen in countless RPGs up to date. The kind of assholes that Commander Shepard from Mass Effect or Revan from KOTOR would either work with or genocide on their way to real problems.

But I'd like to hear from you guys. What would YOU make as a new faction if you were given carte-blanche by Microsoft and Bethesda to design a Fallout game, with no limits attached?

A tribe of Remnant Natives who work on energy weapons and import goods for trade while running large firing ranges and gun shops in the wastelands. So like the Van Graffs except nicer and cooler with a hint of medicine sticks.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

You just know they're going to shit up the TV show like they did the Halo show. I'm betting with "current year" standards we'll get a more inclusive Legion, the Enclave is going to be a caricature of whatever politician is currently being designated as the enemy, and they'll just butcher the lore.

Oh, I can see them using the show just to shit on old America. The Communist-hating American government which will one day become the Enclave are all Nazis at heart who are willing to let most Americans die while they sip wine on some oil rig. The sexist Legion will get defeated by a strong, brave, lesbian Courier who has a thing for Veronica, those stodgy Brotherhood elders get exposed as hypocrites by a strong, female Paladin like Sarah Lyons, the list goes on.

 

[Shidoen]

Oh, I can see them using the show just to shit on old America. The Communist-hating American government which will one day become the Enclave are all Nazis at heart who are willing to let most Americans die while they sip wine on some oil rig. The sexist Legion will get defeated by a strong, brave, lesbian Courier who has a thing for Veronica, those stodgy Brotherhood elders get exposed as hypocrites by a strong, female Paladin like Sarah Lyons, the list goes on.

I want a tv show with just Frank Horrigan going ape shit on Antifa Rallies. I don’t care, they’re gonna fuck up the tv show so o nig my as well get something I enjoy.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

I want a tv show with just Frank Horrigan going ape shit on Antifa Rallies. I don’t care, they’re gonna fuck up the tv show so o nig my as well get something I enjoy.

Oh, they'll do that. Then a lesbian Chosen One who made the Super Mutant Francis into a eunuch when he tried to make her his gimp will end up killing Frank Horrigan while calling him a fascist piece of shit.

 

[Korpon]

I want a tv show with just Frank Horrigan going ape shit on Antifa Rallies. I don’t care, they’re gonna fuck up the tv show so o nig my as well get something I enjoy.

Frank is also voiced by a black guy so he can fill the diversity quota. Having him punch some whiny fags head off would make the show gold.

 

[Vault Boy]

An RTS would be cool, but I think a game like the new XCOM games or Gears of War Tactics would be the shit (hell, just hire the guys who made the latter). Call it a spiritual successor to the original Fallout Tactics, let you choose between two different factions for its campaign (NCR vs Legion, Brotherhood vs Enclave, etc.), and include a variety of soldier classes with perks & traits.

 

[NCR Trooper]

ITT: delivery note sperging

Regarding the delivery note, I assume it's just some sort of protocol that Johnson Nash has never bothered to change over the years.

Perhaps Mojave Express' policy become lax as the years have gone by, so that notice doesn't really reflect current policy? If you talk to Mr. Nash himself he's actually pretty cool about it and doesn't threaten you with getting the chip back at all.

I mean, my theory isn't too far-fetched as even in reality some companies still rely on old ass policies written decades ago that no one bothered to change by today's standards.

Or perhaps that's just a minor plot hole, really. And we are being autistic over something that even Obsidian didn't give much of a thought to.