Fallout series

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Your entire post is just stripping the story elements from both games to their most basic tropes which can make any two stories sound similar.

This isn't even going into how many of the ideas for NV came from the already written Van Buren design documents that predate KOTOR.

Yet the way the many characters and factions play out is ripped right from the way the factions in KOTOR were positioned.

The Legion are pointlessly evil yet brutally efficient, just like with the Sith, whereas the Republic in both franchises is a beast getting swallowed alive by red tape and inefficiency.

In Van Buren, the NCR-Brotherhood War is still going on, meaning that the NCR is fighting BOTH the Legion and the BoS. In FNV, it's already done, the NCR has already crushed the Brotherhood's nuts and moved on to fight the Legion specifically, and what's left of the BoS is in hiding like the Mandalorian Neo-Crusaders were in KOTOR.

You look at the NCR/House/Yes Man versions of the Second Battle for Hoover Dam, and it's practically similar to KOTOR 2's Second Battle of Telos IV. All the allies and friends you've made along the way join you to fight an army of fascists led by some masked swordsman with a scary reputation. In K2, your allies from Onderon, Dantooine, and your Mandalorian buddies help you fight through Darth Nihilus' army of goons as he's attacking Telos, so you can board his ship and kill him. In FNV, your friends from the Brotherhood, the Enclave, and the Boomers aid your fight against the forces of Legatus Lanius who is attacking Hoover Dam, and their help clears the way so that you can get to Lanius' camp and defeat him.

Obsidian basically took the bones of the Van Buren project and re-arranged them to be like KOTOR. Which I surmise is because KOTOR 2 was their most popular project before FNV, and Chris Avellone wrote both stories.

KOTOR is all this nigger has , it's like his security blanket. He crowbars it into every thread he posts in.

Dude, less than five percent of my posts talk about KOTOR. Besides, it's a great game, and it's nothing to be ashamed of. I'm not ashamed of being a fan of something that isn't written by concussed orangutans.

All you do is complain about me talking about KOTOR every time I see you. Do you actually have anything useful to say other than ''KOTOR SPERG CHILD'' here and there? You're basically the kind of idiot who has no positive contribution to any discussion at large outside of being a sniveling little bitch.

 

[Doctor John B. Zyklon]

New Vegas is still regularly one of the most played RPG games on Steam and Xbox. It's one of the most visited online wikis for games. It's still in the top ten for guides most days on places like Gamefaqs (today it is still at ten, Fallout 4 is at 12, 3 is at 34). Despite it receiving zero promotion anymore it basically seems to have incredible staying power. And hardcore fans likely play it more than any other Fallout game as well.

I'd really like NV to be redone in FO4 or something. FO4 was clunky as all hell; I can't imagine NV being better.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

I'd really like NV to be redone in FO4 or something. FO4 was clunky as all hell; I can't imagine NV being better.

Isn't there already a project to remake FNV with FO4's engine or something?

 

[Doctor John B. Zyklon]

Isn't there already a project to remake FNV with FO4's engine or something?

Probably. There seem to be quite a few projects. YT just recommended a launch date reveal for "Fallout London" to me. Had no idea that was a thing.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Probably. There seem to be quite a few projects. YT just recommended a launch date reveal for "Fallout London" to me. Had no idea that was a thing.

I saw a few posts about that before. Then I saw the trailer yesterday. Interesting stuff.

 

[FuckMeGentlyWithAChainsaw]

Fallout New Vegas is basically KOTOR set in Fallout. I can't be the only one who sees this.

KOTOR is basically just Baldur's Gate In Space! and I thought so since the day it came out.

On the one side, you have an ineffective, disorganized Republic drowning in red tape-the NCR and the Galactic Republic. On the other, you have a fascist regime that operates with peak efficiency and cruelty-the Sith Empire and the Legion. The latter is on the cusp of victory, but there might yet be hope for the former, especially if the player stands with them.

On the one side, you have an ineffective, disorganized Thieves Guild. On the other Bodhis assassin group with peak efficiency and cruelty. The latter is on the cusp of victory, but there might yet be hope for the former, especially if the player stands with them.

The fascists are led by a two-man crew consisting of a visionary and a tall, strong man as the enforcer; Revan and Malak for the Sith, Caesar and Lanius for the Legion.

The visionary mage Irenicus and his vampire sister Bodhi.

The only difference is that Lanius has no desire to betray Caesar, whereas Malak already betrayed Revan before KOTOR started.

Bodhi supports her brother, but they disagree on methods.

The Legion slaughters dissidents, enslaves women, and uses them as rape-slaves just to show how evil they are, whereas the Sith glass planets on a whim just to show how evil they are.

Bodhi slaughters thieves, turns them into blood cattle or turns them on their allies as vampire slaves.

They're fighting over a source of power that gives an advantage to the one that controls it-the Star Forge in KOTOR, and Hoover Dam in New Vegas.

In the expansion you fight over The Throne of Bhaal which allows its controller it to become a god.

You have a race of armored warriors who are on the cutting edge of technology, they used to be tough shit, but they're forced to hide because they got their butts kicked in by the Republic-the Mandalorians and the Brotherhood of Steel/Enclave.

In the time of Troubles the Lord of Murder walked the earth in flesh, but now that he is dead his godling children are hunted down despite their powers.

The Republic side has a class of heroes that was instrumental in their past victories, whose very presence inspires awe in the rank and file; the Jedi for KOTOR, and the NCR Rangers for New Vegas.

You are the hero of Baldur's Gate! Also comparing NCR rangers to Jedi, lol.

All the allies and friends you've made along the way join you to fight an army of fascists led by some masked swordsman with a scary reputation. In K2, your allies from Onderon, Dantooine, and your Mandalorian buddies help you fight through Darth Nihilus' army of goons as he's attacking Telos, so you can board his ship and kill him. In FNV, your friends from the Brotherhood, the Enclave, and the Boomers aid your fight against the forces of Legatus Lanius who is attacking Hoover Dam, and their help clears the way so that you can get to Lanius' camp and defeat him.

Having to storm Bodhi's fortified lair you appeal to all factions you made friends with, from Drizzt Do'Urden to the local Paladin's group who force you a path as you penetrate deeper into her fortress.

 

[Prophetic Spirit]

New Vegas is still regularly one of the most played RPG games on Steam and Xbox. It's one of the most visited online wikis for games. It's still in the top ten for guides most days on places like Gamefaqs (today it is still at ten, Fallout 4 is at 12, 3 is at 34). Despite it receiving zero promotion anymore it basically seems to have incredible staying power. And hardcore fans likely play it more than any other Fallout game as well.

I'm gonna be honest.
Anyone who played FO1 & FO2 have very strong bonds to FNV.
It was the real FO3 Black Isle Studios made. Not the version Bethsoft created.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

I'm gonna be honest.
Anyone who played FO1 & FO2 have very strong bonds to FNV.
It was the real FO3 Black Isle Studios made. Not the version Bethsoft created.

Bethesda's Fallout 3 is the Brotherhood of Steel game that Interplay should've made, instead of the one that they actually made before selling the franchise to Bethesda. But yes, FNV is the direct sequel to FO2.

@FuckMeGentlyWithAChainsaw

You are the hero of Baldur's Gate! Also comparing NCR rangers to Jedi, lol.

A class of warrior who are set apart from the rank and file, who are considered the best of the best, the tip of the spear, the lower-class normie Republic soldiers worship the ground they walk, and one of their leaders was responsible for a sound victory against the bad guys in the past. Yes, I did make that comparison.

KOTOR is basically just Baldur's Gate In Space! and I thought so since the day it came out.

No shit. Baldur's Gate is one of Bioware's previous titles before KOTOR. So it's no surprise their previous work would influence their later works-KOTOR didn't appear out of a vacuum. I was just making a point to say that, unlike what the FO3 bashers try to say, Obsidian wasn't wholly original with New Vegas either. They took the bones of the Van Buren project and remodeled it to the point where it resembled the KOTOR games on more than a few key plot points.

Hell, the biggest similarity that FNV and KOTOR 2 have is an author avatar, written by Chris Avellone, who takes a double-role as a mentor and a really tough boss, and their main narrative purpose is to take a giant, wet shit on all the major factions, because Avellone sees them all as morons, be they the NCR, the Legion, the Jedi, or the Sith. His author avatar for both games is a morally-grey ''been there, seen it all''-type of person who used to work with the fascist regime, but they later broke away and became jaded about both sides.

You have Kreia in KOTOR 2 who chides you for either going full Light or full Dark, then you have Ulysses in FNV who whines about ''THE BEAR AND THE BULL'' so much that it becomes un-bear-a-bull. Both of them confront you in the epicenter of a place your character destroyed; you fight Kreia in Malachor V, a planet destroyed by the Jedi Exile's use of a superweapon, while you fight Ulysses in the Divide, a place that got blown up and irradiated thanks to a package the Courier delivered. The common theme of these confrontations is all about the devastating consequences caused by the protagonist's past choices.

 

[DOUBLE_WHEEL]

I was just making a point to say that, unlike what the FO3 bashers try to say, Obsidian wasn't wholly original with New Vegas either.

People bash FO3 for unoriginality for placing the setting on the other side of the country while reusing factions and characters from 1 and 2. Which is an entirely different form of unoriginality than what you're saying NV has. Your posts still read like you just found out what tropes are and that writers will carry themes and motifs between their writings.

 

[Mysterious Autist XX]

Imperator is shitting up the thread again I see.

 

[Mega Black]

All you do is complain about me talking about KOTOR every time I see you

Maybe if he can do this consistently you do, in fact, bring up KOTOR or Star Wars when it is totally uncalled for you buffoon.

You needing to shit on New Vegas for no reason compels you to make retarded arguments in this thread and it certainly isn't the first time. Wow, universal and common tropes found throughout popular media showed up in Star Wars AND Fallout at some point? Rangers are literally Jedi guys! Disregard that they aren't at all similar outside of being elite warriors.

Autismus thy name is Imperator. I beg you to read a book that isn't Star Wars related, please.

 

[Seventh Star]

Imperator is shitting up the thread again I see.

Which one? I can go from the Star Wars one to any other thread in here and there's some autistic lore debate going on.

 

[Cheeseknife]

 

[Shadfan666xxx000]

These embeds don't really drum up hype when your first impression is an error screen. Why don't you try downloading the video and putting in a local archive?

 

[Cheeseknife]

These embeds don't really drum up hype when your first impression is an error screen. Why don't you try downloading the video and putting in a local archive?

You can also right-click the link and open it in a new window.

 

[xXx: State of the Union]

I don't know why you guys continue to engage with Imperator. I'm pretty sure his whole thing is a gimmick at this point.

 

[Shadfan666xxx000]

You can also right-click the link and open it in a new window.

I know you can do that but do you want to do that?

 

[Cheeseknife]

I don't know why you guys continue to engage with Imperator. I'm pretty sure his whole thing is a gimmick at this point.

It's not difficult to find similarities in themes and story beats between games that were largely written by the same sets of people. Stuff like the fact that Bastilia from KotoR I is really just a new version of Aribeth from Neverwinter Nights.

I know you can do that but do you want to do that?

If this is about what I want, I want a KiwiFarms that isn't constantly being bombarded to the extent that all this extra stuff is even necessary. But we can't always get what we want. But if you try sometimes, well, you might find what you need.

 

[TheHarbinger]

People bash FO3 for unoriginality for placing the setting on the other side of the country while reusing factions and characters from 1 and 2. Which is an entirely different form of unoriginality than what you're saying NV has. Your posts still read like you just found out what tropes are and that writers will carry themes and motifs between their writings.

Almost every single thing in New Vegas either came from Fallout 1 and 2, or the Fallout Bible and Van Buren. With lots of people who worked on those projects being there for all of or parts of New Vegas. So yeah New Vegas took its lore and locations and stories from previous Fallout projects, both realized and shelved, but it was a direct sequel to the first two games. Its content was original made for Van Buren and then finally brought back when Obsidian got the license again.

It would be jarring and illogical not to have references to Unity or the Master and the destruction of the Enclave. Because these things reshaped the entire Wasteland. The entire point of Fallout style CRPGs are that your characters have an impact on the world. Showing the impact of the first two protagonists rewards players of the first two games who remember all of the factions, locations, and details. What you did mattered. The opposite of Mass Effect 3 style writing where nothing matters.

Fallout 3 is not even a proper Fallout game. The lore makes no sense. The world building is preposterously stupid. Where people are drinking irradiated water and eating stale food for two straight centuries. Supermutants have found their way from the Cathedral all the way to Washington D.C. on their own. Grocery stores sit without being looted for centuries and the food is still edible. The Enclave are somehow more powerful than ever. The Brotherhood have the resources to fight on both coasts. The plot holes are so massive that the game should honestly not even be considered canon.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

People bash FO3 for unoriginality for placing the setting on the other side of the country while reusing factions and characters from 1 and 2. Which is an entirely different form of unoriginality than what you're saying NV has.

And didn't FO Tactics and BoS do the same thing? I mean, it's kind of disingenuous to attack FO3 for it when two previous Fallout games that came out after FO2 did the same damn thing of re-using old factions from older games or turning the BoS into a police force.

Your posts still read like you just found out what tropes are and that writers will carry themes and motifs between their writings.

No, my point is that RPG game companies re-use tropes to a hilarious extent. And it's not just Obsidian; Bioware and Squeenix pretty much do it all the time, too. But yes, even Obsidian does it.

Maybe if he can do this consistently you do, in fact, bring up KOTOR or Star Wars when it is totally uncalled for you buffoon.

KOTOR 2 was written by the same guy who did FNV and had a lot of plot points in common. Most especially an author avatar who is a jaded asshole serving as both a mentor and a boss, who shits on both sides.

You needing to shit on New Vegas for no reason compels you to make retarded arguments in this thread and it certainly isn't the first time. Wow, universal and common tropes found throughout popular media showed up in Star Wars AND Fallout at some point? Rangers are literally Jedi guys! Disregard that they aren't at all similar outside of being elite warriors.

Autismus thy name is Imperator. I beg you to read a book that isn't Star Wars related, please.

That wasn't me shitting on New Vegas, you autistic dork. The fact that you felt so threatened just because I pointed out tropes in common between the two and interpreted it as an attack on New Vegas goes to show that you people are so thin-skinned that despite all your bitching and whining at others, you can't take it when someone makes a reasoned observation.

I've been on record more than once saying that I love FNV, that it's my favorite Fallout game, that it was the height of the Fallout franchise, it's just that thanks to it being written by the same dork who wrote KOTOR 2, there's more than enough tropes in common between the two because writers tend to recycle plot lines and ideas from successful games. Prior to FNV, KOTOR 2 was Obsidian's most well-known game, a cult classic. So it makes sense Obsidian would recycle some of the ideas there to be used in FNV.

You mention Star Wars, and Star Wars recycled ideas from Kurosawa movies, Cowboy films, the Bible, and Lord of the Rings. Me pointing out that New Vegas did the same isn't me ''shitting on New Vegas for no reason'', it's me saying that, like Star Wars, New Vegas is inspired by and takes cues from previous works that these game writers have either seen or written.

Next time, try not to be so thin-skinned that you interpret a simple observation as an attack. God have mercy, if this is the state of the Fallout fanbase, then we truly deserve Fallout 76.