Fallout series

I always thought Caesar's low Int was meant to represent the effects of the brain tumor.
It's possible but he still has lower charisma than that same mole rat. Which frankly is something I think Caesar is one of the characters who realistically would be on a the higher end of the scale.

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It's fucking weird and makes no sense. You really shouldn't take stats as an indication of someone's capabilities.
 
It's possible but he still has lower charisma than that same mole rat. Which frankly is something I think Caesar is one of the characters who realistically would be on a the higher end of the scale.

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It's fucking weird and makes no sense. You really shouldn't take stats as an indication of someone's capabilities.
Agreed. I was surprised when I first spoke to Caesar because he spoke like a retarded "big picture" mafia boss that calls all the shots but doesn't really understand most details of the modern world around him. Low intelligence doesn't surprise me, but he (as an outsider) forged a nation from stone age tribes. Anything short of 9 Charisma would be inaccurate to the character the game portrays.
 
It's possible but he still has lower charisma than that same mole rat. Which frankly is something I think Caesar is one of the characters who realistically would be on a the higher end of the scale.
Caesar in New Vegas is no longer at the height of his powers. He is old and dying and practically on death's door when you first see him. He is prone to outbursts and headaches and looks like a loud noise might startle his heart into stopping. All of the leaders in New Vegas are shown to have major glaring weaknesses as are their factions. It's one of the ways that the writers could push players into the Yes Man ending. As on the surface it seems like a reasonable alternative to a bunch of fossils ruling over everyone.

If someone saw the real Mr. House with his black and decayed corpse like body would any amount of charisma or intelligence make up for it? Caesar is shielded from other people seeing him and his reliance on an auto-doc unit to keep living. Mr. House won't even let anyone inside of the Lucky 38. If people like Caesar and House were in perfect condition and protected with a giant army then the Yes Man ending would not be realistically possible. They have to be vulnerable to some random courier offing them for any of the story to make even remote sense.
 
Agreed. I was surprised when I first spoke to Caesar because he spoke like a retarded "big picture" mafia boss that calls all the shots but doesn't really understand most details of the modern world around him. Low intelligence doesn't surprise me, but he (as an outsider) forged a nation from stone age tribes. Anything short of 9 Charisma would be inaccurate to the character the game portrays.
Pretty much.
Caesar in New Vegas is no longer at the height of his powers. He is old and dying and practically on death's door when you first see him. He is prone to outbursts and headaches and looks like a loud noise might startle his heart into stopping. All of the leaders in New Vegas are shown to have major glaring weaknesses as are their factions. It's one of the ways that the writers could push players into the Yes Man ending. As on the surface it seems like a reasonable alternative to a bunch of fossils ruling over everyone.

If someone saw the real Mr. House with his black and decayed corpse like body would any amount of charisma or intelligence make up for it? Caesar is shielded from other people seeing him and his reliance on an auto-doc unit to keep living. Mr. House won't even let anyone inside of the Lucky 38. If people like Caesar and House were in perfect condition and protected with a giant army then the Yes Man ending would not be realistically possible. They have to be vulnerable to some random courier offing them for any of the story to make even remote sense.
That is a very good point but he is still only 55, a bit too young for things like dementia or Alzheimers to really set in afaik, I am not a medical expert or even really knowledgeble on the subject so please correct me if I am wrong. But the leaders and factions all having a major glaring weakness is part of the appeal of NV as a whole for me, it shows that no side is entirely perfect and you have to decide which one do you think is the least worst. Realistically the Wild Card ending in general stopped appealing to me when I realized how unless you super autistically RP plan out in advanced Six likely has no fucking idea what they would do once them and Yes Man take over the Mojave so its really hard to justify thinking I might be the best choice.

Each faction has its pros and cons that make it a valid choice however and at least some plan for future stability unless like say Caesar dies due to you sabotaging the Auto Doc or something, I forgot what thing you did was to kill him but stay friendly with the Legion, in which case I do think that Lanius would not be able to keep the Legion together for long, he might keep a good chunk of it under his control through pure fear but eventually someone would rise up and make a salad out of him and depending on how Six is their capability as a successor for him would be a coin flip. I could see a high int/charisma Six being able to lead the Legion well.
 
Caesar in New Vegas is no longer at the height of his powers. He is old and dying and practically on death's door when you first see him. He is prone to outbursts and headaches and looks like a loud noise might startle his heart into stopping. All of the leaders in New Vegas are shown to have major glaring weaknesses as are their factions. It's one of the ways that the writers could push players into the Yes Man ending. As on the surface it seems like a reasonable alternative to a bunch of fossils ruling over everyone.

If someone saw the real Mr. House with his black and decayed corpse like body would any amount of charisma or intelligence make up for it? Caesar is shielded from other people seeing him and his reliance on an auto-doc unit to keep living. Mr. House won't even let anyone inside of the Lucky 38. If people like Caesar and House were in perfect condition and protected with a giant army then the Yes Man ending would not be realistically possible. They have to be vulnerable to some random courier offing them for any of the story to make even remote sense.

I like this interpretation a lot. I think one reason a lot of people don't see this is, first of all, Caesar in not visibly enfeebled. I'd put some of this down to the game's graphics, which seem to have no midpoint between "average human" and "wrinkled applehead geezer."

Second of all, if you don't follow the Legion questline, you never get a close look at how bad off Caesar really is. I think you can hear rumors from the Centurion you can interrogate at McCarran, but the real tea is closed off from non-Legion playthroughs fairly quickly -- you become an enemy of the Legion the moment you take out the Omertas, for instance.

And finally, and I hate to say this, some of it is on John Doman's performance, which is best described as "lethargic." Fantastic actor, horribly miscast as Caesar, and seemingly received little to no direction.
 
I like this interpretation a lot. I think one reason a lot of people don't see this is, first of all, Caesar in not visibly enfeebled. I'd put some of this down to the game's graphics, which seem to have no midpoint between "average human" and "wrinkled applehead geezer."

Second of all, if you don't follow the Legion questline, you never get a close look at how bad off Caesar really is. I think you can hear rumors from the Centurion you can interrogate at McCarran, but the real tea is closed off from non-Legion playthroughs fairly quickly -- you become an enemy of the Legion the moment you take out the Omertas, for instance.

And finally, and I hate to say this, some of it is on John Doman's performance, which is best described as "lethargic." Fantastic actor, horribly miscast as Caesar, and seemingly received little to no direction.
I think that can a fair bit of NV's VOs come off as they didn't have much direction, it's better in the DLCs but it is kinda funny knowing how Joshua Graham's va got the role with something he did over the phone while he had a cold.
 
That is a very good point but he is still only 55, a bit too young for things like dementia or Alzheimers to really set in afaik, I am not a medical expert or even really knowledgeble on the subject so please correct me if I am wrong.
The actual Caesar was an epileptic who suffered from a bunch of health issues even when he was young. It's accurate.
 
The actual Caesar was an epileptic who suffered from a bunch of health issues even when he was young. It's accurate.
Yes and Julius Caesar died at age 55. The New Vegas Caesar is very much based on a few popular ideas and myths surrounding him. Just like Mr. House is clearly a caricature and parody of Howard Hughes. And President Kimball is likely a parody of JFK and a couple of other U.S. Presidents.
 
Yes and Julius Caesar died at age 55. The New Vegas Caesar is very much based on a few popular ideas and myths surrounding him. Just like Mr. House is clearly a caricature and parody of Howard Hughes. And President Kimball is likely a parody of JFK and a couple of other U.S. Presidents.
proof legion is the superior choice
 
nonsense
legion is perfect route
the world is unforgiving and so should civilization be
fist fight packs of deathclaws to death like a man, you laser/plasma abusing pansies
I use .45 ACP like God intended. Unless I want to give the Deathclaw a chance then I use my bare hands, only to throw sand in its face.
The actual Caesar was an epileptic who suffered from a bunch of health issues even when he was young. It's accurate.
Yes and Julius Caesar died at age 55. The New Vegas Caesar is very much based on a few popular ideas and myths surrounding him. Just like Mr. House is clearly a caricature and parody of Howard Hughes. And President Kimball is likely a parody of JFK and a couple of other U.S. Presidents.
Damn I never even knew that about Julius Caesar that just makes things even better.
 
i could never bring myself kill Joshua or choose the leave option. the other reason is to make that cuck Daniel seeth when you decide to stand your ground.
Just remember, even when you evacuate Daniel starts wondering later on if it was the right choice. The absolute best choice is to wipe out the White Legs and then convince Joshua to let Salt-Upon-Wounds go.

There's even this mod that expands the dialogue choices you have for that.
Honestly her, Nick, Hancock and for some reason Piper are companions I will use if I ever am in the mood for it but generally I prefer to do things solo with Dogmeat. I dunno why I am like this but I think it just feels fitting in general for the setting.
That's because Nick and Hancock are awesome. Nick is your stereotypical noir detective, fedora, trenchcoat, and cigarette and all, and Hancock is... Hancock.
 
Just remember, even when you evacuate Daniel starts wondering later on if it was the right choice. The absolute best choice is to wipe out the White Legs and then convince Joshua to let Salt-Upon-Wounds go.

There's even this mod that expands the dialogue choices you have for that.

That's because Nick and Hancock are awesome. Nick is your stereotypical noir detective, fedora, trenchcoat, and cigarette and all, and Hancock is... Hancock.
Exactly and it's the more satisfying ending overall, and has less White Man's Burden bullshit energy due to the race change Daniel had from Asian to Caucasian.
Pretty much but even ignoring the noir detective aesthetic Nick actually is fairly well written overall and has a good substory especially with Far Harbor while Hancock actually has a pretty good backstory to back up his character too. In general I feel like 4's companions ranged from servicible (Danse, but he gets hit cause I have mixed feelings on the BoS in 4 as a whole and Preston when he isn't a radiant quest bot) to actually someone I can understand if they where someone's favorite character in the franchise (Nick and Hancock).
 
Exactly and it's the more satisfying ending overall, and has less White Man's Burden bullshit energy due to the race change Daniel had from Asian to Caucasian.
Pretty much but even ignoring the noir detective aesthetic Nick actually is fairly well written overall and has a good substory especially with Far Harbor while Hancock actually has a pretty good backstory to back up his character too. In general I feel like 4's companions ranged from servicible (Danse, but he gets hit cause I have mixed feelings on the BoS in 4 as a whole and Preston when he isn't a radiant quest bot) to actually someone I can understand if they where someone's favorite character in the franchise (Nick and Hancock).
Nick's stuff is shockingly so well-written I'm surprised anyone at Bethesda greenlit it. Of course, the man responsible for him and Far Harbor (William Shen) would go on to be responsible for Starfield's quests, so reality did wind up reasserting itself in the end.
 
Nick's stuff is shockingly so well-written I'm surprised anyone at Bethesda greenlit it. Of course, the man responsible for him and Far Harbor (William Shen) would go on to be responsible for Starfield's quests, so reality did wind up reasserting itself in the end.
I mean hey he did write a quest where you can kill the last Jew in existence so that is super based.

Edit: Left this out, every writer has their fumbles but maybe you could say it was the opposite for him with Nick and Far Harbor.
 
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I mean hey he did write a quest where you can kill the last Jew in existence so that is super based.

Edit: Left this out, every writer has their fumbles but maybe you could say it was the opposite for him with Nick and Far Harbor.
More like I get the feeling Todd Howard forces every talented writer to start eating lead paint chips so they quit making Emil look bad.
 
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