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They don't even get the "Tim Cain only worked on the first two games" excuse anymore lmao
It's a dark day for reddit when even Emil "I greenlit Kid in the Fridge!" Pagliarulo is dunking on you. These new fans really aren't sending their best!

You know who is sending his best? I do, since I updated my London mod to version 1.04
Changelog:
*Gold Bars for the Bank of England quest updated
*Chalk now gives 1 ceramic and 1 asbestos
*Industrial Solvent(better version of Turpentine) now properly gives oil
*Gloves overhaul: Each one now has proper damage resistances and bonuses(some have it in their name, as they're invisible in the pip boy). Now the decision on which pair of gloves you chose to wear has weight, rather than wearing them for aesthetic reasons.
*Fashionable glasses(which my character is currently wearing) now properly give +1 CHR just like they do in the base game. Similarly, Sunglasses now also give +1 CHR and have been renamed to "Mirrored Shades" as tribute to Fallout 2. Note that I don't plan on editing armor too much since you will likely find mods that will override these changes in the future.
*Clone Meat had no steak recipe, so I made a new item and a new recipe that you can cook up with Cannibal rank 1. Mystery Meat variants of Dogfood that you can craft with Cannibal perk now heal more than your average can of Dogfood.

This isn't a changelog, but I noticed that Dirty Water is a very precious resource in London for some reason. To that end, if you plan on making glue out of paper or bone, I heavily suggest you download this mod
You will be able to turn any empty bottle into a carton of Dirty Water(similarly, you can also turn the bottle into a container of Purified Water if used on a water pump or a sink). You get this "perk" by default if you play on Survival difficulty(which I don't recommend due to all the crashes), all this mod does is give that perk to you on all other difficulties.
 
Little bit of crossover from the Team Fortress 2 Community & Facepunch/Knockout Forum threads:

I've recently discovered that the social media manager for The Fallout Wiki is AnalogBeatdown/AnalogBreakdown. I've discovered some tranny lore about this person on 4chan that was initially misattributed to Knockout.chat user Connie. Turns out AnalogBeatdown used to go by Connie briefly.
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<Hiran/Connie> Patel (last name found via a Tumblr post about Hiran begging for money to avoid homelessness, so may or may not be correct) is their name. Usernames used include C0NN1E_, Sobotnik, AnalogBreakdown, AnalogBeatdown

He recently protected his AnalogBeatdown X account and deleted a few tweets. He had pictures of himself posted on his X but I pulled a retard and forgot to save them before he privated the account. Hopefully someone here is a follower of @AnalogBeatdown on X and can post pictures of them.

There apparently was some big drama on the Fallout Wiki last year when some admin got the boot over trying to host old Fallout flash games on the Wiki. Hiran went on the defensive on X and caused a bunch of further drama in the replies. If you search for @AnalogBeatdown on X and filter by Latest, then scroll down through the replies til you hit roughly September 2023, you'll start seeing replies about the issues.
 
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"The Fallout series is obviously about the failures and evils of capitalism."

Tim Cain: "No, no, it's about how humanity's tribal mindset and flaws will inevitably trump any and all systems we erect, leading to a cycle of destruction."

"He's just some old guy who worked on the first game, all the important story bits happen after that if you really think about it."

Chris Avalone: "He's right, we didn't even mention capitalism anywhere in our mock up of the story's themes and messages."

"But the Bethesda games are the only ones that-"

Emil Pagliarulo: "The tag line is 'War never changes' for a reason."

"Death of the Author, my old friend."
 
Recently recruited Boone on my current playthrough and man, I forgot how fucking edgy and brooding he is.
Though to be fair he actually has a reason to be that way considering how dark his backstory is.
I actually forgot how fucking dark it was.

Dude literally mercy killed his wife so the Legion wouldn't have their way with her, but also didn't know she was pregnant when he did it. Like, goddamn dude. It kind of explains why he's so fucked up really. If there's anyone that's earned being able to be dark and brooding it's probably Boone.
 
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Recently recruited Boone on my current playthrough and man, I forgot how fucking edgy and brooding he is.
Though to be fair he actually has a reason to be that way considering how dark his backstory is.
I actually forgot how fucking dark it was.

Dude literally mercy killed his wife so the Legion wouldn't have their way with her, but also didn't know she was pregnant when he did it. Like, goddamn dude. It kind of explains why he's so fucked up really. If there's anyone that's earned being able to be dark and brooding it's probably Boone.
Took me a minute to like him when I first played NV, now he's my favorite companion along with Raul. Shame I really don't like the NCR, would always have him as a companion.
 
Recently recruited Boone on my current playthrough and man, I forgot how fucking edgy and brooding he is.
Though to be fair he actually has a reason to be that way considering how dark his backstory is.
I actually forgot how fucking dark it was.

Dude literally mercy killed his wife so the Legion wouldn't have their way with her, but also didn't know she was pregnant when he did it. Like, goddamn dude. It kind of explains why he's so fucked up really. If there's anyone that's earned being able to be dark and brooding it's probably Boone.
Can't forget his best friend hating Carla to the point he couldn't hide how happy he was at hearing she was dead.
 
Took me a minute to like him when I first played NV, now he's my favorite companion along with Raul.
Oh yeah, I'll have to go pick up Raul too. (Using a mod that removes the companion cap. To compensate I raise the difficulty a bit if fighting gets too easy with how many people I have with me.)
But yeah, same it's easy to just think Boone is an asshole until you learn his story. Honestly it becomes kind of depressing once you figure out just how dirty he got done.
Can't forget his best friend hating Carla to the point he couldn't hide how happy he was at hearing she was dead.
Like yeah man, poor Boone for whatever reason God just fucking hates him I guess. At least you can take him to slap Caesar's shit with you. Won't stop the pain of course but it might help.


On the subject of factions though.
Shame I really don't like the NCR
Fair, honestly that's kind of the interesting thing about New Vegas is that almost none of the factions you can pick are a perfect choice. They pretty much all have their own pros and cons, some just more obvious than others.

Me personally though maybe I'm just too :optimistic: but I always felt like the NCR was probably the best choice in the long run. Sure, the NCR sucks now, but there is still a chance they can change their ways.
Second place while not ideal would have to be independent, of course.
I always felt like Mr. House was full of shit tbh. Or he'd only really care about himself and his "friends."
And I don't think I need to explain why The Legion is bad. I'm not pretentious enough to do that.

Honestly I don't like the Legion. But not because they're bad guys but because they're just too comically evil with no real redeeming qualities so there's not really much there that's compelling for me. They're kind of just raiders if they had a societal structure. But not really much more than that. I feel like if they were made more grey more people would like them and it wouldn't be such a meme to be pro Legion.
Though I guess it is somewhat interesting knowing that Caesar likely intends to make you his heir if you follow The Legion route.
 
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To compensate I raise the difficulty a bit if fighting gets too easy with how many people I have with me
Honestly I always play at the hardest difficulty. Not to sound like that guy, you know the one, but I don't really find NV difficult anymore. Well, unless I'm gimping myself in some way. Guess I played it too many times. Which mod for the companion limit removal? JIP?
Honestly it becomes kind of depressing once you figure out just how dirty he got done.
Fuck Manny, piece of shit. Happy Boone's own wife was gone. Given that he's gay (Confirmed Bachelor) he probably wanted to fuck Boone and was hoping to get some ass after his wife disappeared. Can't catch a break that man, I try to make sure he gets the best ending he can get because he deserves it (since I don't do NCR, it would be No Gods, No Masters or All or Nothing if I'm working with House again, with Boone making amends). I'm glad he got to ice that old hag too.
Fair, honestly that's kind of the interesting thing about New Vegas is that almost none of the factions you can pick are a perfect choice. They pretty much all have their own pros and cons, some just more obvious than others.
That's the best part, but people just let that shit go over their heads, usually Redditors who have time and time again (especially recently) failed to understand anything. Seriously, try having even a decent conversation about how the NCR isn't that great and you'll have people calling you all sorts of shit immediately, bonus sperging if you're arguing for the Legion. And no I don't mean saying the Legion is better than the NCR but I mean arguing for them period.
Sure, the NCR sucks now, but there is still a chance they can change their ways.
They'll have ups and downs, like any nation. They're a bit fucked at the start but maybe they'll get someone who realizes that serving the Brahmin Barons-regardless of their money-won't be a great long term solution and deal with them in some shape or form. Maybe they'll realize that if humanity is to survive they can't emulate the failures of the Old World, now that's :optimistic:. Or maybe the Barons won't be secretly controlling everything but publicly, replacing whoever is currently in the Republic with themselves if they haven't already. Wouldn't change much probably, there's probably all sorts of real life examples to use. To know the future you must first understand the past and all that.
But not because they're bad guys but because they're just too comically evil with no real redeeming qualities so there's not really much there that's compelling for me.
Sadly the game doesn't write them as well as they could have, time limits and all that. Their fault really, or rather their contractor's fault. If given enough time I'm sure the Legion could've been much better. Really should lean heavy into the Rome aspect of it, I've seen people argue that a good karma courier could be the successor to Caesar and really remake the Legion into something more. I've also seen people argue that Legate Lanius could actually run the Legion decently since he's not really dumb, in fact he's quite smart. At ruling? No. However I will argue he's smart enough to delegate those tasks to someone more fitting like Vulpes and others while he just wages war. Lots of lost potential. I still haven't played that new big Legion mod but maybe tomorrow, will see if they do anything remotely like that or just more "Legion bad." People like the idea of the Legion more than the Legion itself.
Second place while not ideal would have to be independent, of course.
Depends on if the Courier is competent. High in specific stats that would make them a good leader such as Charisma, Intelligent, Perception, Luck, Barter, Speech, associated perks, choosing the """best""" outcomes for all relevant quests. and I'd say if they had good karma as well. I know I said "good karma" before and inevidibly say it again but really, look at the NV ending for good and bad karma and tell me which is the better leader.
I always felt like Mr. House was full of shit tbh. Or he'd only really care about himself and his "friends."
I'd say he's the most competent person in the Wasteland. A lot of what I'm about to say has been said better by more intelligent people than I so just a heads up. He's insanely intelligent (he used math to predict the exact date and time of the apocalypse, no I don't give a fuck what the show says), very charismatic, can be "Big Brother" and can be nearly whereever he wants (anything he's not connected to he can bring a Securitron over to interface with), can probably efficiantly direct the Securitrons better than Yesman, has plans for well into the future if the rebuliding fails if it's unsustainable due to the Resource Wars and The Great War (God damn space colonies, given how well he predicted the apocalypse I trust him to be right in getting the fuck off Earth), he probably has a fuck ton of resources from the REPCONN test site and REPCONN headquarters and if he can probably train/hire specialist to make use of them, not to mention the wealth he has from The Strip. There's definitely shit on the moon if Sea of Tranquility is anything to go off of (USA and China beat the shit out of each other on the moon, no doubt there's at least one facility that if he can recover can speed up his colonization efforts). Even without that, with all the raw genius that Robert House has, I doubt he'll simply state:
"With all that money pouring in? Give me 20 years, and I'll reignite the high technology development sectors. 50 years, and I'll have people in orbit. 100 years, and my colony ships will be heading for the stars, to search for planets unpolluted by the wrath and folly of a bygone generation."
If he wasn't sure of it. Third time now, used raw math to predict the Apocalypse and fortify himself against it. Even when the chip was a day late he still did very well. He managed to make himself live well beyond the human lifespan and could probably live for ages more, he literally does not give a fuck about what anyone has to offer since he's so high off himself that no one can ever offer him anything that he can't eventually aquire for himself so he's practically incorruptable from anything that's not his ego, and even then he has stated:
I have no interest in abusing others, just as I have no interest in legislating or otherwise dictating what people do in their private time.
The opposite of a tyrant if I ever heard one. At most he's an asshole and lost his humanity, but really given the state of the world that's hardly concerning. And he does appreciate and appropriately reward you for doing a good job, he's a good employer more than a friend. And even it's possible he might consider you a friend, just...not an equal one. The Omega Initiative does a great job with House in his What If videos so I'd check them out, even if he mostly does The Enclave. Speaking of which, I dislike how The Enclave is so prevalent and is always the generic evil big bad, it takes modders to make them more fleshed out. Like that Enclave revamped or whatever mod for HOI4 Old World Blues...fucking tranny faggotry is in it so I'm tempted to not touch that mod anymore. Wow I wrote a lot, if only I put that much effort into my fucking novel...
And I don't think I need to explain why The Legion is bad.
Again, you can argue for them, but the idea of the Legion is more appealing so most arguing is going to be "what ifs" and various other bits like how the Legion's trade routes are so safe that traders don't need guards, the Legion abhors drugs, they're loyal (to Caesar more than the Legion), they're highly trained and disciplined, and you'll probably have a better life if you're as an able bodied man in the Legion than anywhere else. The Legion is hard to argue for without sounding like a-as the Plebbitors say-Cannibalistic Humanoid Underground Dweller. I can definitely argue for them if you want, this is a long post and I can already feel the eyes of most people reading this glaze so I'm cutting it off here.
Caesar likely intends to make you his heir if you follow The Legion route.
Someone said "His Augustus to the Legion's Caesar." I'd say that works well if you're good karma.
 
Honestly I always play at the hardest difficulty. Not to sound like that guy, you know the one, but I don't really find NV difficult anymore. Well, unless I'm gimping myself in some way. Guess I played it too many times. Which mod for the companion limit removal? JIP?
I'm a very casual player in general, I mean I prefer to use controller in any game that allows it so yeah I wouldn't consider myself particularly good. I tend to play on Normal difficulty unless it starts feeling too easy then I just move it up a level, that's one of the cool things about the Bethesda engine games at least you can change difficulty on the fly.
And also yeah JIP seemed to be one of the few mods that wasn't outdated as shit and or didn't have weird bugs ect. Plus being able to see your party member's health on the HUD is pretty helpful. Like I said, I tend to avoid mods that change the gameplay TOO much besides QoL stuff. I even stopped using the Fallout 4 style bash mod once I discovered this quick menu mod that makes it quick and easy to change weapons on the fly, basically making it redundant since I can just press the D-pad and swap to a melee weapon immediately if people get too close to me.
I'd say he's the most competent person in the Wasteland.
Fair, maybe I'm just a bit cynical, I mean can you blame me for being a bit distrusting of the rich billionaire?
Not to mention Vegas outside of The Strip is kind of a shithole too. I mean, look at Freeside. Mr. House probably COULD fix up Freeside too with his resources but he focuses on the strip and actively bars people from coming in who aren't going to be benefiting him directly. Now to some people that might not seem bad but I dunno, it gets you feeling some kind of way when your first introduction to the strip more or less is watching some bum try to run past Mr. House's killer robot guards to the strip and getting annihilated.

I think that's just part of what makes me doubt him is I feel he's a bit TOO robotic, a bit too cold and calculating. He probably will end up benefiting humanity more in the long run but at what cost? You know? I guess he's more of a the means justify the ends type of choice. Like yeah in the end he probably will achieve his ambitions it's just how many eggs are gonna get cracked along the way?
But at the same time, like I said you can make that argument for pretty much all of the factions.
Sadly the game doesn't write them as well as they could have
Yeah, that's pretty much a big part of the problem they didn't really have time to show any nuance to the Legion so you pretty much only see the atrocities they commit 90% of the time with only a few small offhand mentions of the positives.

Not to mention everyone brings up how they treat women, the fact that they crucify people ect. Like I could somewhat understand it, even if I didn't agree with it, if they showed the Legion as more "Harsh but fair." types. Again it's implied in the game but not directly shown as much as it could've been.
 
I mean I prefer to use controller in any game
Sinnnnnnnnerrrrrrr. It's hard for me to adapt to a controller anymore due to spending so much time on a keyboard this last decade. Even weirder if I'm playing on PC, might as well just use the big ass "controller" with lots of buttons that I've using this entire time than switch to one that makes my hands uncomfortable.
that's one of the cool things about the Bethesda engine games at least you can change difficulty on the fly.
You can give thanks to the difficulty being so simply done. Literally just a damage scale change, no AI changes whatsoever. Hardcore Mode is more of a change.
I mean can you blame me for being a bit distrusting of the rich billionaire?
Absolutely not, which makes House so interesting because despite having "tendencies" you'd see in the ultrarich, he's also not retarded. Lots of billions are-at most-business savvy and rely on people with actual brains. House is not that person, he was quite hands on before the apocalypse, and even then he's still doing a lot of work, he just needs someone physical now.
Not to mention Vegas outside of The Strip is kind of a shithole too. I mean, look at Freeside. Mr. House probably COULD fix up Freeside too with his resources but he focuses on the strip and actively bars people from coming in who aren't going to be benefiting him directly.
Given that he's barely keeping The Strip neutral to the NCR and...well I doubt the Legion gives a fuck about, I would also just try and amass resources as much as I can until I know there's no real threat currently, letting the NCR think they're in control. Plus you have to consider the various people he has to deal with, the Chairmen are loyal enough but Benny is actively sabotaging him, the Omertas are control freaks that just care about their family and are known to take any cap that can go unnoticed. They've gotten their new employees addicted to chems then increasingly charge them more and more to make sure they're always willing to serve for another dose, be they prostitutes or not. Not to mention undercutting their pay. The White Glove Society are creepy anonymous secret cannibals but they cater to the elites that enter the strip, which means they probably bring in good money and make sure The Strip's reputation is good as well, not much beyond that. The Van Graffs supply good weapons to people who are willing to buy them, bringing more rich customers that might go in The Strip, not to mention if House tries to seize direct control of them instead of just partnering them they'll probably leave and take their shit with them, their influence goes with them. Same with Crimson Caravan, it's easier to let someone worth with you than for you if it means less shit to deal with. The Kings already expressed their distaste of House, so when House wins and can now focus on expanding, repairing, and maintaining his territory now that the Legion and NCR are out of the way, the Kings outright attack House and are subsequently wiped out. If House did that with the NCR and Legion were still around, they might get worried that he's making a move against them and attack (mostly the NCR since they're already in his territory), even if House had his upgraded Securitron army he'd have to attack at the right time, like at Hoover Dam where the exhausted and less supplied NCR would be most vulnerable. Aka the House ending. House barely even had time to get The Strip operational when the NCR came over, and as we already know he didn't have his upgraded Securitrons nor such a big business as he does when we meet him so immediately starting shit with the NCR would be a death sentence. And of course, there's profit to be made with keeping Freeside a slums, look at real life. You need to keep the power balance and the poor make great workers for his future projects. Not to mention the idea of exclusivity of The Strip is very appealing to the people who can afford it, and the people who can't will have something to work towards, thus bring desparate hard working people for House to exploit. Again, The Van Graffs and FoTA having more free reign rather than under House's control means they stay where he can see them while also being useful to him.
I think that's just part of what makes me doubt him is I feel he's a bit TOO robotic, a bit too cold and calculating.
I mean...he's technically as close to a robot as a human can get at this point, though he can feel emotions like anger and disappointment.
He probably will end up benefiting humanity more in the long run but at what cost?
The cost can't be worse than it already is, this is a post-apocalypse afterall, and I did mention he has no intention of being a tyrannical ruler. He wants to advance the human race the fuck off Earth. The Brotherhood would actively stifen progress, the Legion...Legion, the Kings are too small and just care about Freeside, the FoTA are too small and pacifist to unite the wasteland and serve only as humanitarians, I have many arguments for the Enclave but they're far too weak and barely even a faction anymore given the shitstomping they went through, the Great Khans just care about themselves like the Brotherhood, as well as the Boomers. The NCR can still NCR if they leave House the fuck alone, in fact it would be retarded not to work with him. The NCR is also incredibly corrupted so is it really better than House whose only goal is progress? He offers a chance for people to do whatever they want without it decending into anarchy, he offers free market capitalism, he offers a chance for people to live for themselves, not under a corrupt government's boot or as a slave. If the only thing that stops of person from siding with a great person, a person that could probably bring humanity to a golden age, is if that person is a dick then humanity really is doomed.
Like yeah in the end he probably will achieve his ambitions it's just how many eggs are gonna get cracked along the way?
Depends on the eggs, are they rotten?
Not to mention everyone brings up how they treat women, the fact that they crucify people ect. Like I could somewhat understand it, even if I didn't agree with it, if they showed the Legion as more "Harsh but fair." types. Again it's implied in the game but not directly shown as much as it could've been.
Yeah, people tend to focus on the bad more than the good an entity does, so when you mostly show the bad and make passing comments on the good, no fucking wonder people think they're evil. At most they're morally dubious, given enough time and under a better leader and you can really get a post-apocalyptic Rome.
 
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Absolutely not, which makes House so interesting because despite having "tendencies" you'd see in the ultrarich
This is gonna sound gay but in all honesty I don't really think I care enough to have a big debate like this over factions in a video game. :stress: Maybe if this was me like a decade ago I'd care more but, sadly it isn't.
Part of why I'm emphasizing my opinions are very subjective.

I can't disagree however, like I said they're all subjective in different ways. There's not exactly one 100% perfect choice and honestly I enjoy that compared to how it usually is in Bethesda Fallouts where there's just "Bad guy" and "Good guy" factions with no real nuance to them at all.
The Enclave. Speaking of which, I dislike how The Enclave is so prevalent and is always the generic evil big bad,
The funny thing is you did get to see some nuance in the Enclave in Fallout 2. At Camp Navarro and of course the infamous call with the bored desk worker guy who gets very angry when you don't know who the fuckin' president of the united states of America (Or what's left of em') is.

Compare that to Fallout 3 where they're basically just evil McBadguys because... uhhh reasons? And the worst part is there's even a possible plotline right in front of you that the writers just ignored with Colonel Autumn not agreeing with Eden's plan to put the FEV into the water. But yet you can't act on it at all or side with them.
I always thought it was stupid that if you gave Autum the purifier password he would just immediately put a bullet in your skull. I feel like that moment would've been the perfect to ally with them.
At least give you some kind of reward for being cooperative.

At most they're morally dubious, given enough time and under a better leader and you can really get a post-apocalyptic Rome.
Yeah, a lot of the issue really did come down to the time constraint which I still feel like they shouldn't have agreed to, but hey you can't change the past.
You can give thanks to the difficulty being so simply done. Literally just a damage scale change, no AI changes whatsoever. Hardcore Mode is more of a change.
Yeah I am aware. I actually have two mods installed 1 that makes the AI "Smarter" by tweaking various settings in their files and a Navmesh mod which also improves the AI indirectly by improving the navmeshes throughout the game.
It's hard for me to adapt to a controller anymore due to spending so much time on a keyboard this last decade. Even weirder if I'm playing on PC, might as well just use the big ass "controller" with lots of buttons that I've using this entire time than switch to one that makes my hands uncomfortable.
I'm the opposite, due to me getting older I've began to notice it's hard for me to play games for a long period of time without a controller or my hands begin to hurt. Especially for games that require rapid pressing and such. Plus I originally played FO3 and FNV on console so the console controls are what I'm familiar with.
 
Its hilarious that its fans of Fallout 4, which was over merchanized to fuck and even outright has a money grubbing mobile game tie in, and a show produced by/airing on Amazon are the ones complaining about the series as a whole not being capitalism le bad
Even Fallout 4 hasn't a capitalism bad message.
At least you can kill a communist:
 
What is your opinion on fallout 76 I have never played it
Strip away the Fallout name from the game and it would have zero players. It's arguably one of the most artistically shallow and dishonest games ever made. It takes everything that Fallout isn't and simply slaps a recognizable license on it. Right in the wake of Bethesda having some weird social media campaign about "saving single player" or whatever that horseshit was supposed to be.
 
Honestly I always play at the hardest difficulty. Not to sound like that guy, you know the one, but I don't really find NV difficult anymore. Well, unless I'm gimping myself in some way. Guess I played it too many times. Which mod for the companion limit removal? JIP?
There's a few out there but JIP C&C is the preferred one.
Sadly the game doesn't write them as well as they could have, time limits and all that. Their fault really, or rather their contractor's fault. If given enough time I'm sure the Legion could've been much better. Really should lean heavy into the Rome aspect of it, I've seen people argue that a good karma courier could be the successor to Caesar and really remake the Legion into something more. I've also seen people argue that Legate Lanius could actually run the Legion decently since he's not really dumb, in fact he's quite smart. At ruling? No. However I will argue he's smart enough to delegate those tasks to someone more fitting like Vulpes and others while he just wages war. Lots of lost potential. I still haven't played that new big Legion mod but maybe tomorrow, will see if they do anything remotely like that or just more "Legion bad." People like the idea of the Legion more than the Legion itself.
There's a mod that lets you visit a pre-nuke Dry Wells that's pretty solid. Appropriately portrays the Legion as brutal, but better than the alternatives. Even lets you side between two different potential legionaries as they fight it out for command. There's also been some comments about the Legion by Sawyer he posted up on Something Awful that add a lot more nuance to them. You can also talk with Raul and even convince Arcade of all people that the Legion might actually have a reason for its existence. Granted, Arcade is quite right that there's no room for them West of the Colorado, but he's able to accept they're what the East needed.
The funny thing is you did get to see some nuance in the Enclave in Fallout 2. At Camp Navarro and of course the infamous call with the bored desk worker guy who gets very angry when you don't know who the fuckin' president of the united states of America (Or what's left of em') is.
Don't forget they've got a blind cook and if you're a low-Int Chosen One people are actively sympathetic to you. IIRC even Dornan eases off a little once he realizes you're an actual moron. Don't forget that mad scientist who tortured dogs had to have his room soundproofed by the base CO for "morale purposes" because unsurprisingly the people at the base didn't like hearing what he was doing to the poor creatures. Oh, and let's not forget that Granite Squad actively despises Horrigan and views him as nothing more than a mutant killer despite the official sanctioning he operates under. Inhumane these people were not. Once you factor in the dialogue with the Remnants in New Vegas I maintain that not a single one of the grunts had any idea of the planned genocide. Kreger talks of his deeds being necessary to civilize the wasteland since they weren't sure if the NCR was going to survive, and comes across as regretful about it all thanks to hindsight, and Johnson is actively hoping for death to atone for the things he participated in. Even Moreno acts as though blasting everyone to smithereeens was simple wartime necessity (which let's be honest it sort of is/was in the wasteland), which is not in line with awareness of an impending genocide. In fact, none of them have any idea what happened to or on the oil rig aside from some sort of internal sabotage that took everything down, so the guys on the mainland were definitely kept uninformed of proceedings save that which was necessary, which doesn't include the leadership's plans for total genocide via biological warfare.
 
I see fallout faggotry has culminated in completely trying to erase FO1/2 with nuFO because of "muh capitalism".
It is really weird how they try to push their "headcanons" to cover for Bethesda's plotholes. Every once in a while, you run into a user who seems to take that stuff too seriously to the point where they seem to have made nuFallout part of their identity. They probably aren't getting paid for it. I'll never understand.
 
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