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Found on Macaulay Culkin's Instagram, top right picture. Seems he a part of the show

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But one thing I can tell for sure is that it doesnt matter how much time passes in this setting, Bethesda will not allow anything to develop beyond crack den shacks and reutilized abandoned locations since New Vegas is looking kind of worse than in the game?
I dont know what their fucking problem is. even in Fallout 1 people at least moved on to mud huts and new housing primitive as it was. Synthetic Man said Bethesda will never move beyond mud huts but you're more accurate. we will never get so much as nomads having their own tents with bethesda because thatd be something newly made. mud huts would be a step up. in fact i just remembered even their tribals in point lookout only had camps that were just some pre war garbage around a log or something still wearing pre war hick wear
The legion is back is def. a surprise and you can make the argument that it makes sense that they wouldnt all disappear but I think that people will need to consider the possibility if this is REALLY the legion and not a "raider-fied" Legion with a new caesar that acts nothing like the original. Lets not forget that the Legion has been associated with certain circles and, well, Amazon and Bethesda are very left leaning so you do the math. The new ceasar is either an original character or a way older legate who has driven the legion into a much more violent direction (well, violent-er, at least Edward had a method to this madness).
oh we already all know ceaser or his replacement will be trump. thats all itll be is trump .itll be be mrga and the legion will simultaneously be white washed of their worst crimes because cant have rape but simultaneously theyll be 20 times more vilified. also itll be framed as the ncr basically not supporting antifa sentiments enough that gave them a way into power in the region. weve seen this song and dance play out so many times and honestly (mostly because of time and resource constraints tbf) its already kinda the case in new vegas the faction having the least representation, companions, and stories of most of them.
More and more I just really am hating the shit out of the BOS, its like you cant go without them getting involved in the plot and their power just keeps getting higher and higher to the point you wonder how did they get so much of it (even if they won back in F4, it wouldnt justify it).
its funny that everything rebuilt under old fallouts gets ruined by bethesda but the one thing the older writers put into decline the bethesda team has to revive.
I don't expect them to do this, but I think it would be neat to see proper NCR Rangers in action. Show that the BOS really weren't capable of standing up to any major military force that wasn't extremely weak compared to them. Having proper Veteran Rangers is too much of a memberberry for them to pass on.
bos stronk others weak. as eternal a mantra in bethesda world as the people being sub stone age tier in development.
 
Im going to call it. Lucy in her bumbling incompetence will kill the courier at the start of the season, leaving her with the chip.
Unless the Courier is played by a black woman, then they will team up to take down the heckin' evil Mr House.

Found on Macaulay Culkin's Instagram, top right picture. Seems he a part of the show

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>inB4 he plays Caesar and they write him like Nick Fuentes
 
Given that Mr House will probably appear in the TV show it's likely that his ending is the cannon one. That of course doesn't explain why New Vegas looks like a warzone 15 years later .
 
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Unless the Courier is played by a black woman, then they will team up to take down the heckin' evil Mr House.
Your right, the courier needs to be a strong independent trans lesbian woman of colour! Perfect for taking down le hekkin fascist legion and the capitalist Mr House!?!
>inB4 he plays Caesar and they write him like Nick Fuentes
Caesar will be another orange man stand in.
 
My reaction to that season 2 teaser:
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I hope the line in the trailer was just a misdirect.

I really don't care about the show, nor does it have to be accepted as canon, but the prospect that Mr House might end up being behind the end of the world pissed me off a little. Way to take a giant shit over one of the best characters in vidya.

Billionaire-ego induced craziness into "King of the ashes" to handwave away retardation is such shitty writing. I feel like I've seen it enough times that it's even more cliché than a "secret cabal of elites orchestrating the end of the world" that we saw in the first season.

All to avoid saying China ended the world because Amazon has ties to IIRL China.
It also could be my interpretation that I'm pulling from my ass or straight from Caesar's mouth, but I think he created the Legion intentionally in the NCR's image, because the end result of their combination would have the strengths of both with none of the weaknesses.

He did say Tandi is one of his inspirations for how long she "ruled" the NCR...

Tho it doesn't dawn on him that it was still a democratic decision and Tandi just did that good of a job people just wanted her again and again
Found on Macaulay Culkin's Instagram, top right picture. Seems he a part of the show

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I swear to God, if it turns out that Culkin is the leader of the legion, Im going to fucking flip and send a bomb at Bethesda's HQ in Fallout 4.
You have to have a completely botched understanding of human beings to thing passing over a certain threshold of money just suddenly turned you retarded, insane, or just nonsensically evil.

The basis of the human condition is struggle and perseverance, when you become so rich that you dont gotta worry about bills or struggle of any kind anymore, you become "stunted" and disconnected. I remember someone saying that the ultra rich dont ride the bus, the metro, drive their own cars or even take a regular plane...they take choppers, limos and private planes, never being forced with interacting with the regular joes of the world, always seeing them as passing images on a window or just as tiny dots on the ground...imagine what this does to a human mind after a while.

People cease to be "people" to them

There is also the aspect of "What happens when you are too rich to worry about getting money?" well, you go to the next best thing "power" and thus begins the societal manipulations we all know and love.
What's fucked is that the Enclave already exists as this cartoonishly evil big bad, and is even depicted as such in-show, so you can blame them for everything

Its actually surprising how little the Enclave seems to matter for Amazon's world building even tho they had their claws involved on nearly everything pre-war, the closest thing was them having them getting supposedly wiped out for the fucking third/fourth time by the BOS.

Its incredible, in the moments it WOULD make sense to have them, they dont. But then again, Amazon's priority is to absolutely fuck up the west's lore so might as well give the Enclave one last kick while they're down.
 
Predictions:
  • The Followers of the Apocalypse will find a way to be even gayer and lamer than being run by a Jewish lesbian with a spiked mohawk.
  • Josh Sawyer's cope about the Yes Man ending will be discarded, and it will turn out to be the Skynet ending that it always sounded like. The twist? After deposing the Courier, Yes Transwoman instituted Universal Basic Bottlecaps and New Vegas now has Fully-Automated Luxury Space Communism™.
  • Lucy and company will explore a vault that has a smoke detector with a dying fission battery. Maximus will be the first to recognize the source of the chirping and will replace the battery. (Take that, bigots!)
  • Lucy will continue to look like a feminized version of Bug-Eyed Earl from the old Red Meat comic strip.
  • Everything will grind to a halt at Gomorrah, as a diatribe on how "sex work is real work" is forcibly delivered to the audience.
  • Vault 420 was intended as an experiment to see how "reefer madness" would play out in the confines of a vault. In a definitely not ham-fisted twist, it became a paragon of enlightenment (and not a foul-smelling hotbox full of even fouler-smelling stoners sitting around and shoving Fancy Lads down their throats), and was purged several decades ago by the Enclave, with only a few survivors escaping to tell the tale (featuring special guest stars Cheech and/or Chong, assuming either is still alive).
  • Red Lucy will make an appearance, but she will have had a change of heart and the Thorn will now be a vegan commune and not a fighting pit. Staying at least somewhat true to the game, all her dialogue will be tryhard cringe and the quest she sends Lucy on will be one of the worst in the series.
 
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I don't see the point of anyone seriously discussing this thing except for promptly mocking it, so there goes any discussion about the franchise out the window for the next few months(then again, if it's anything like the last 10 or so pages of this thread, not a huge loss)
Thank goodness Outer Worlds 2 is coming soon so I can at least get my Fallout fix that way AND mock some Bethesda fanboys on the side. Shame that most of their strongholds, Starfield ones at least, are pretty much dead, raiding a deserted outpost is no fun.
 
None of those moments are good lmfao.
:smug: I didn't say they were good, just that I liked/remembered them.
People cease to be "people" to them
I agree to an extent. That view of seeing themselves as being so much more than the "little people" beneath them can help foster a mindset for great cruelty but also great kindness, due to the responsibility they now see themselves possessing. Though even if they see themselves as being a benevolent force, they can still fuck things for people in the same of the "greater good". Sinclair in Dead Money would've built a Eden on a post-apocalyptic earth for everyone residing there, even if Vera got trapped in the vault, since everyone else above would be having a grand ol' time with machines capable of creating food and water from nothing but energy; however, he and everyone in that casino got legit fucked over by builders cutting corners, which resulted in the leak that killed Sinclair before he switch off the trap he put in place for Vera and subsequently everyone else, giving birth to "the cloud".

Some kind of grounded, earthly I.E. human care and/or obsession is what can keep them sane in spite of how inhuman they might become. Sinclair's love/obsession with Vera (him losing Vera, albeit momentarily, made him a monster), House's love was Vegas, The Cabot's have each other (sorry for using a Fallout 4 example), and Big MT's scientists can be reminded of their humanity by the player bringing up their prior loves/obsessions. When there's nothing to keep them tethered down, they can float off into the grasps of delusion, insanity, immortality, etc. An especially badly written rich character fulfilling the role of villain is one who appears to have never been human to begin or, or cannot even imagined as such. The Fallout games have an example, with 3's Tenpenny, maybe you could also count 2's Dick Richardson (president) but that's an iffy example. (A game that solely abides by this mindset is Outer Worlds - it's got some of the most horrifically bad writing I've seen in a game)

Meanwhile, the show's billionaires immediately contribute to the pool of inhuman experiment ideas (except House, but Sinclair does?) and seem positively giddy about the world ending. Though it's hard to decide whether the writer's were going "rich people bad" or "corporation bad", or simply both. The only character in that scene who'll probably have a change of heart is Goggin's wife, even though she proposed dropping the bombs herself.

If they have more to show from after that moment happens, it better be a round of blackmail for the suddenly hesitant CEOs by the shadowy figures overhead who were watching that meeting to begin with. Or better yet, explain away their insane enthusiasm by said the inclusion of said figures, because if they look at all hesitant or reluctant, then they'll get deep 6'd and replaced (if they want to compound the Enclave = fascist idea, this is legit what the Nazis did to uncooperative CEOs — take their shit). House's ego prevented him from playing completely along, hence why he appears to be the only dissident there. Due to the reveal Vault-Tek has nuke-use capability even after the apocalypse, maybe after Lucy's dad woke up or some other exec did, they dropped or detonated a nuke near the Strip sometime between the end of FNV and the show which is why it's all fucked up (some fan service of House's Iron Dome would be neat). Why? Well, House filled the lower levels of Vault 22 with cement. The vault happened to be one of the most lenient in terms of experiments committed on the people within. It's possible House just buried a secret cache of Vault-Tek execs and a sudden nuke decades later could be some other execs reprisal, who knows. Nukes produce EMPs, shutting down the securitrons or even House himself, giving hostile elements a big enough window to go in and fuck things up. House survives because he's in the basement, but he's lost control over everything, and Goggins will put him out of his misery at the end of the season despite hating him for some reason or other then cue the possible soberness of the moment getting ruined by Goggins cutting off strips of House's ass to a no-longer-revolted Lucy, because you can "make it dark, make it grim, make it tough, but then, for the love of God, tell a joke."
Tho it doesn't dawn on him that it was still a democratic decision and Tandi just did that good of a job people just wanted her again and again
His remark was that her father ruled the NCR via repeat elections until he died, then it fell onto her, and she did the same. I actually think she ran unopposed like her father did her entire life. To him the NCR began its life as a hereditary monarchy in all but name, and it prospered whilst under that system, but once it became a democracy in practice not just name that's when it began to decline.

There is something of an irony to the Legion vs NCR conflict, in that the NCR could also become better as a direct result of its existential conflict with the Legion since under the relative peace they had they began to deteriorate. It might be very death of the author, but you can see how the NCR's conflicts lead to their own betterment may also lead to them mirroring the Legion to an extent if it went on long enough. Absorbing peacefully or forcefully "tribes" to the NCR's betterment (Desert Rangers, integrating their tactics and equipment into their military; Brotherhood of Steel, their salvaged power armour and heavier weapons) like Caesar with the Twisted Hairs (scouts) and Twin Mothers (medicine). The player can also have them ally with the Khans, Enclave remnants, BoS, Boomers, Kings, etc, which'll also demonstrate there's a way to do Caesar's schtick but even better, which also vindicates Caesar in a way since the way the player does it has all strengths, no weaknesses. The NCR's already forcibly trying to annex sovereign villages and locations to the grumbling of locals (Primm), but they can avoid conflict altogether and absorb them (replacing their old identity with that of being "NCR citizens" a la Caesar's suppressing of old tribal identities) at full strength and capability without firing a shot.

There's a sort of schizo-way of looking at Caesar as being the NCR's greatest most patriotic citizen since he may unironically be what's helping keep it alive, with the Courier cementing possibly helping to cement some new lessons and practices that'll only help the NCR out in the long run with a victory at the Dam and rule over the Mojave cementing Kimball's agenda and bringing to it the stability that Caesar hopes his Legion could bring with direct rule.

Personally I think the show will have the NCR be the winners at Hoover Dam in FNV, and the subsequent bombing of Shady Sands is what has them pull out of the area due to a decimated command structure, which then leads to its ruin. It'd explain why the Kings might still be around as they only definitely survive in Independence or NCR endings. However in Independence the Securitrons are upgraded, activated, and have the sole purpose of maintaining the security of Vegas, so unless they somehow all got wiped out (nuke idea proposed above) then I'm leaning into NCR winning, as they'd replace the robots for security purposes. House also doesn't necessarily have to die in any anti-House ending, just forced to suffer a fate worse than death, which the writers might legit consider justified depending on how culpable they've made House in everything. Independence is also viable since apparently Freeside is still alive but the Strip is ruined so who knows. If the Courier went full retard and did everything to earn a "negative" response from Yes-Man, then Independence with the worst possible result (pretty much death and anarchy) is possible.

Though doing this might piss of FNV fans for the same reason what they're possibly going to do to House pisses me off: it makes the Courier into a complete retard.

Also: The Kings can survive in the Mr House ending if you make them hostile to the NCR or just ignore them completely, but if they go with the Mr House ending, and have him be a fuck-up alongside ending the world (or being the prime mover of it), then I will post a mildly angry comment in this thread about it.
All to avoid saying China ended the world because Amazon has ties to IIRL China.
The only way they could forgivably handle this entire situation whilst also shitting on the rich & corporations is if they hammer home that they were delusional to think they could've done anything to stop the war or even instigate it. China has more motivation than the US does to launch the nukes (liberation of Alaska demonstrates China's faltering capabilities and would mean invasion of Chinese mainland), fully embracing the idea of "War never changes" and have it be so China and the USA launched at exactly the same time. It keeps it ambiguous, doesn't heap the blame onto one nation over the other (protecting poor widdle China), and still allows more or less the same exact discourse that surrounding this topic the first time. This avenue pushes the message of war's pointlessness, which is really simple and easy, and they can just steal Ulysses' conclusion at the end of Lonesome Road: "War never changes... but people do." Then some conflict doesn't manifest because of that lesson in the series or something. Only shame is the "people" responsible for stopping the conflict are the chucklefucks of the main cast.
 
Buddy as someone who liked TOW for what it was 2 just looks like Concord meets Veilguard in space.
It's pretty much just more of TOW, which is more than can be said for Fallout 5 which is years away from being released and will probably have more in common with Starfield than any game in the franchise. I know what I am getting and I will likely enjoy it, more than can be said for all the people writing entire paragraphs about the show they will most certainly hate. And people here call me a sperg when I write more than three sentences trying to explain to them simple things they should already know.
 
and would mean invasion of Chinese mainland
If i recall correctly that was in fact happening within the lore when they launched the nukes. before the Show nuked the entire series' lore.
It's pretty much just more of TOW, which is more than can be said for Fallout 5 which is years away from being released and will probably have more in common with Starfield than any game in the franchise. I know what I am getting and I will likely enjoy it, more than can be said for all the people writing entire paragraphs about the show they will most certainly hate. And people here call me a sperg when I write more than three sentences trying to explain to them simple things they should already know.
Eating slightly-less-thin slop is still unhealthy.
 
I think it be funny if the courier was mentioned but killed offscreen by Cazadors. Walked down the wrong path and BAM, Cazoadors.

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"CAZADORES could be here" he thought, "I've never been in this neighborhood before. There could be CAZADORES anywhere." The cool wind felt good against his bare chest. "I HATE CAZADORES" he thought. Johnny Guitar reverberated his entire car, making it pulsate even as the 9 bottlecap wine circulated through his powerful thick veins and washed away his (merited) fear of mutated insects after dark. "With a car, you can go anywhere you want" he said to himself, out loud.

Note: If you're playing the game correctly (at least 8 endurance to tank through the venom, doing at least the first part of Diane's quest at Red Rock Canyon to get the recipe for crafting Turbo, and spamming the riot shotgun at anything that moves) cazadores are a joke and can be farmed for their venom to craft more Turbo (which you can then use to kill even more cazadores, as long as your supplies of Jet and turpentine hold out).
 
Note: If you're playing the game correctly (at least 8 endurance to tank through the venom, doing at least the first part of Diane's quest at Red Rock Canyon to get the recipe for crafting Turbo, and spamming the riot shotgun at anything that moves) cazadores are a joke and can be farmed for their venom to craft more Turbo (which you can then use to kill even more cazadores, as long as your supplies of Jet and turpentine hold out).
You can just go to OWB and get a perk instantly for entering the DLC that makes you immune to poison. On top of that, aside from powerful weapon, there is a perk that lets you do more damage to Cazadores and in the base game you can take the Entomologist perk to deal even more damage to them. This makes them a walk in the park, their sting attacks do not poison you and are easier to tank with high DT, meanwhile they take a shitload of damage(especially from automatics since they have no armor).
 
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