Fallout series

[Campbell_Trio]

Thank goodness Outer Worlds 2 is coming soon so I can at least get my Fallout fix that way AND mock some Bethesda fanboys on the side.

Look i liked outer worlds as well but i liked it because it was a good starting point for an even better fleshed out sequel (the new vegas of outer worlds 1 fallout 3) but it also barely scratched my fallout itch as its closer to mass effect than anything fallout.

All to avoid saying China ended the world because Amazon has ties to IIRL China.

I think the commies still ended the world (cause it wasnt just china) its just that vault tec had a back up plan incase it never happened but thats basically like if a show had the bush admin create a plan for a terrorist attack to start the war on terror only to have 9/11 happen anyway. The idea of Vault tec dropping the bombs isnt even new as that was part of the canned fallout movie from the late 90s/early 2000s so it seems to be an idea that just infects the minds of any hollywood writer working on the series. That's also kinda my take with House as his line about making money with the end of the world came off more as him just playing along before he went home and started planning shit to save vegas if vault tec was already planning on a plan of their own to get the wasteland going, considering his route has him talk about how he'll use vegas as a blast furnace to restart human progress via its economy it tracks that he would take their ideas of making money off the end of the world a bit more seriously.

I know what I am getting and I will likely enjoy it, more than can be said for all the people writing entire paragraphs about the show they will most certainly hate.

Yeah i think that shit is cringe too but dont get high off your own farts.

And people here call me a sperg when I write more than three sentences trying to explain to them simple things they should already know.

And the sky is blue

 

[TheAmbiguousLurker]

All this theorizing on what ending they'll choose when you damn well know that there's just gonna be a status-quo clearing event that happened offscreen that sweeps away any ending relevant elements under the rug.

I was so confused by what his apparent trajectory appears to be. He's fallen upward into a position of prominence by somehow becoming the leader's "top guy" or something. I think out of all the characters he's probably the worst hit by shit writing.

I feel like the writers intially wanted Maximus to be kind of a psycho.

Having your character have rage outbursts at people getting promotions over him after showcasing his clear lack of qualifications, having everybody instantly assume he'd cut up his only friend's leg just to get ahead implying that this sort of behaviour is expected from him, having him coldly let a paladin die because they don't deserve their position as much as he does, ect.

On paper, it paints a picture of a ruthless, but inexperienced scrub who'll fuck over whoever he needs to to claw his way to the top because he feels that he deserves the respect he's constantly failed to earn, who then becomes softened and strengthened by his interactions with Lucy.

But then partway through writing, they got scared and back peddled by changing the framing to have all his shit moments have more of a justification like everyone accusing him just to fuck him over, Titus spending his dying gasp giving Maximus every reason to let him die, revealing that his friend cut themselves trying to get out of being a squire and having Lucy summarise any bad shit he did as 'Welp, it's the wasteland and I've already killed or harmed people in self defence, so it's all the same thing'.

Man, that entire time in the vault was so awful that the show would be improved were it removed entirely. It added nothing, actively made Lucy and Maximus worse thanks to the dialogue they spewed, and may end up spawning a plot thread I feel won't get resolved at all in season 2 (the cult and worship of Moldaver).

I love when we waste an entire episode on filler that adds nothing to the story or characters because everyone is too retarded to just talk to each other like normal people.

"Why are some people here mutated?"
"Oh, this vault ran experiments on the original inhabitants."
"Why is this area restricted?"
"That's the area where our mutant babies are taken care of, we don't want an outsider endangering them."
"Huh, good thing I just asked basic questions that anyone in my situation would ask."
"Yeah, I was gonna act really suspicious and shady about the whole affaire, but then I realized that I have no reason to."

You can't even argue that it developed the relationship between Maximus and Lucy, they spend almost the entire episode apart, but this is when they go from 'People who just met yesterday' to 'Ride or die romance'.

Personally I didn't mind Lucy being a naive retard for the most part, but the fact that after the supermarket episode she just went back to being a naive retard really annoyed me. She never seemed to learn from her experiences, she could get fucked over constantly and just shrug it off with a "ah shucks!" and then go back to how she was before, It was really annoying.

She's selectively naïve. Like, she'll end an episode telling the Ghoul that she won't become him and she still believes in people and that's why she won't just kill the guy who kidnapped and tortured her. But then the next episode starts with her getting ready to leave Maximus to slowly starve to death in an steel coffin despite him having only been a helpful and kind ally to her until he reveals that he has something she needs.

 

[Boxless]

All this theorizing on what ending they'll choose when you damn well know that there's just gonna be a status-quo clearing event that happened offscreen that sweeps away any ending relevant elements under the rug.

The only two ways are either completely culling all the DLC- shooting themselves in the foot if they want Shady Sands to be nuked when they said- or Worst Ending Possible of all the DLC and base game, which would result in ghetto DUST instead.
So instead they'll do some insane mental gymnastics that would have anyone with a lick of sanity telling them that they're alt-timeline now.

Even 343 managed THAT.

 

[R00T]

The only way they could forgivably handle this entire situation whilst also shitting on the rich & corporations is if they hammer home that they were delusional to think they could've done anything to stop the war or even instigate it. China has more motivation than the US does to launch the nukes (liberation of Alaska demonstrates China's faltering capabilities and would mean invasion of Chinese mainland), fully embracing the idea of "War never changes" and have it be so China and the USA launched at exactly the same time.

I see it going two ways:

Bad: House is just a big baddie with no nuance. They make him go along with the destroyer the world plan. Vegas has a cold fission reactor that’s currently being used to power vault tech facilities across the US fully of cryogenically frozen middle management. Lucy’s dad is going to activate every middle management facility, Lucy has the chance to shut it down and destroy the middle management. But oh no they find out Lucy’s brother is cryogenically frozen as well! She now has to decide to save her brother and doom the world to Middle Management or murder the middle management scum but lose her brother. Goggins’s family may or may not be frozen.

Good: House doesn’t go along with the Vault tech plan, decides to crunch the numbers and try to predict when they’re going to set things off, realizes he can’t save the world but can save Vegas. Has a moment with Goggins and Lucy where they accuse him of destroying the world. He explains what he did and says to Goggins “you might not like me or my methods, but I did my best.”Makes the point that capitalism isn’t bad but the men who run it can be. Gives Goggins more development as he spent 200 years becoming morally bankrupt while House did the opposite. Completes his character as he realizes he could be the ranger he used to be.

A fun thing I would like to see is China and America set the nukes off early. House calculates Vaul Tech will set it all in motion on this day, VT plan to, and then it turns out that both US and China realize if they start a day early they’ll catch the other off guard. After all, war never changes.

 

[harbringer883]

Good: House doesn’t go along with the Vault tech plan, decides to crunch the numbers and try to predict when they’re going to set things off, realizes he can’t save the world but can save Vegas. Has a moment with Goggins and Lucy where they accuse him of destroying the world. He explains what he did and says to Goggins “you might not like me or my methods, but I did my best.”Makes the point that capitalism isn’t bad but the men who run it can be. Gives Goggins more development as he spent 200 years becoming morally bankrupt while House did the opposite. Completes his character as he realizes he could be the ranger he used to be.

I actually like this idea. It would def redeem some aspects of the show for me.

A fun thing I would like to see is China and America set the nukes off early. House calculates Vaul Tech will set it all in motion on this day, VT plan to, and then it turns out that both US and China realize if they start a day early they’ll catch the other off guard. After all, war never changes.

Yeah not going to happen. If they want the show to air in china then they wont portray china as doing anything bad. I think they will stick with the "le capitalismo nuked the world, for uh, reasons"

 

[R00T]

I actually like this idea. It would def redeem some aspects of the show for me.

Yeah not going to happen. If they want the show to air in china then they wont portray china as doing anything bad. I think they will stick with the "le capitalismo nuked the world, for uh, reasons"

If both sides did it though…

I just like the idea that Vault tech sets it all up and meticulously plans to have it go off at a specific time to divvy up the world just to have even that get ruined by zealots in the military just trying to get a leg up. The products of man both concrete and intellectual get undone by simple greed.

 

[Lone Star]

The Legion will become a parallel to Trump supporters somehow, mark my words.

 

[30+GameOvers]

I can't wait until this piece of shit drops so you fags can finally stop writing walls of speculation about it. You're all wrong, it will be even worse than anyone anticipates in the most retarded way, fuck up the lore even more than the first season did(not like anyone cares, it's been established things don't have to make sense to "fans" if their feelings are on the line) and then the moronic mongoloids making up most of the "fanbase" will still clap because nuka cola, power armor and the lucky 38 casino are all there. Then, despite the supposed success of the show, everyone will forget about it by Valentines day of next year. Nothing about this will have any staying power, even the most retarded parts of season one(NCR being nuked, Vault Tec starting the war) were all but forgotten months afterwards and this time it will be no different outside of /tv/ have a laugh at it for a couple of weeks. If the writers are smart(and they aren't), they will kill off one of the main characters to "raise tension" and the mouthbreathing mental cases that are unironically invested in this show will just talk about that until season 3 comes out, the audience couldn't care less what they do with established New Vegas factions, characters or locations.

 

[R00T]

Wahhhhh people are talking about fallout in the fallout thread wahhhhhh

 

[30+GameOvers]

Wahhhhh people are talking about fallout in the fallout thread wahhhhhh

I know you're excited for it, but you're also probably the lowest IQ poster in this thread, in my personal opinion based on my interactions with you, so this is nothing to be proud of. Calling someone the "target audience for the Fallout TV Show" is about the worst insult I can think of.

Anyways, as I said, this dumb show is as shallow as a puddle, so there is nothing to "talk about" here. Anyone can predict what is going to happen because they have ChatGPT writing the script for the lowest common denominator(ie you) so it will be the most predictable Hollywood production in history of cinema. The only wild card here is how will they fuck up the already existing lore, and that implies you should even care what the writers who never bothered learning it in the first place think. It's not like there will even be any good action scenes, cause the first season didn't have any, either. When PatricianTV makes a 6 hour documentary on Fallout 76 or whatever, at least there is something to talk about because the game has depth, to a degree, and shows signs that it could have been good at some point. Season 2 was always going to be dogshit, it was never going to have any depth, it will not have any interesting plot twists, we are literally just seeing how bad it will get. It doesn't warrant anything more than a 10 minute video from an anti-woke sloptuber like Synthetic Man, and guess what? That video bombed because nobody fucking cares what the "speculation" about this show will be, everyone knows it will be bad and they will move on. No further discussion needed.

All these longposts will accomplish is make for easy mockery when this finally drops in December and we can see just how wrong everyone was when the show writers, surprise surprise, go with the simplest and most retarded route possible on cashing in on the franchise name and writing all this was fucking pointless. Like, do you guys actually expect anything out of this? At all? What's the reasoning here? All I am seeing is lack of pattern recognition if anyone in this thread is even remotely familiar with how the first season of the TV show was handled, if you're expecting anything different other than the same thing as last time with a new coat of paint and new set of memberberries. They didn't even use any New Vegas tracks in the trailer, they re-used the Fallout 4 reveal trailer music, and you genuinely think there will be any good Fallout New Vegas fanservice, let alone any respect given to the source material? They couldn't even get basic things right with a 5 minute google search last time around, and once again, this time it will be no different.

 

[Conan]

It's sad to see brevity is no longer a virtue taught in school.

 

[R00T]

you’re not as smart as you think you are.

I have different expectations for various types of media. A video game fills a completely different role than a movie or TV series. I also recognize that movies and shows have different target audiences and thus must make changes in order to do so.

Fallout Fans are a circle on the diagram, and due to the natural reach a streaming show has the target audience will be bigger than just Fallout fans. Amazon wants it to compete with things on Netflix. This means you have to make adjustments.

The ghouls changes are the most obvious. Ghoul lore is inconsistent throughout the games to begin with, but even using the more traditional idea of ghouls the idea of going feral is not well known. You have ghouls around from before the Great War who are nowhere near feral, and those that go feral fast. There’s not a time limit or specifics placed on it. Your normie audience is not going to care or find “we don’t know how it works” compelling when a third (and the biggest third at that) has to have some sort of justification for his actions. The normie audience is not going to find “he might go feral at any time” compelling or sensical. Making the ghoul juice gives Goggins a reason to lose his humanity and go from being the Lone Ranger goody two shoes, to the epitome of Feo, fuerte, y formal. In a TV show that has to move quicker to keep attention of viewers it has to be simple.

The rule of threes is upheld fairly well throughout the show in terms of scene writing and I don’t believe in throwing out the baby with the bath water. There are moments in the show that scratch the base idea of Fallout and to deny it is cope. I don’t care about the lore changes because the show is removed from the games. I am able to turn on Fallout 2 and walk into Shady Sands. Despite my supposed low IQ I am able to recognize the show has no bearing on the games that matter. As a well adjusted person that doesn’t have melt downs when something I don’t like exists I can separate the two products.

 

[>IMPLYING]

I can't wait until this piece of shit drops so you fags can finally stop writing walls of speculation about it. You're all wrong, it will be even worse than anyone anticipates in the most retarded way, fuck up the lore even more than the first season did(not like anyone cares, it's been established things don't have to make sense to "fans" if their feelings are on the line) and then the moronic mongoloids making up most of the "fanbase" will still clap because nuka cola, power armor and the lucky 38 casino are all there. Then, despite the supposed success of the show, everyone will forget about it by Valentines day of next year. Nothing about this will have any staying power, even the most retarded parts of season one(NCR being nuked, Vault Tec starting the war) were all but forgotten months afterwards and this time it will be no different outside of /tv/ have a laugh at it for a couple of weeks. If the writers are smart(and they aren't), they will kill off one of the main characters to "raise tension" and the mouthbreathing mental cases that are unironically invested in this show will just talk about that until season 3 comes out, the audience couldn't care less what they do with established New Vegas factions, characters or locations.

All these longposts will accomplish is make for easy mockery when this finally drops in December and we can see just how wrong everyone was when the show writers, surprise surprise, go with the simplest and most retarded route possible on cashing in on the franchise name and writing all this was fucking pointless. Like, do you guys actually expect anything out of this? At all? What's the reasoning here?

I think everyone concurs that the show will be, in all likelihood, a steaming pile of shit; none of what we've discussed in considering alternative or better ideas will even be an echo of an echo in it.

However the discussion doesn't show an investment in the show proper nor hope it'll be anything more than dogshit. Go ask StrangerMe if he's Destiny's biggest fan considering how much time he's invested in him. No, the discussion is mostly composed of why the show's shit before covertly gushing over a particular aspect or detail from the games that are actually enjoyable and interesting. That's to say: the conversation is using the show as an springboard to jump into other aspects of the games/setting, whilst the actual composite of any show-related discussion is just about how shit it is and why a particular element is extra aids.

Let's take @R00T's post for example, a reply to me adding replying to another about Amazon's unwillingness to show Chinese culpability in bringing about the end of the world.

The first half (Bad) is just shitting on the show and more or less predicting the trajectory it will adhere to because the show's writers have more than proven themselves incompetent. The second half (Good) is literally just gushing about the character of House, and how NV's House takes a dump over the show's probably inevitable depiction of him, proffering what they'd prefer to see the show do even if it isn't going to do it (which is universally understood in the thread already, you need a compact of users to affirm this, it's implicit).

I'm sorry but your posts aren't imparting anything new or what isn't already the general consensus of the thread. Everyone participating in discussion around the show is literally talking around it, since veering into tertiary topics and game-related stuff is of more interest than the actual show itself for the most part besides grievances or how they'd to do things if they were actually competent. You're not illuminating anyone to shit they don't already know, you're literally just too autistic to see people are hating on the show to give an excuse to talk about better elements from the games.

TLDR: Don't be a retard; read the room.

 

[Mysterious Autist XX]

Look i liked outer worlds as well but i liked it because it was a good starting point for an even better fleshed out sequel (the new vegas of outer worlds 1 fallout 3) but it also barely scratched my fallout itch as its closer to mass effect than anything fallout.

Honestly I think he is unironically excited to take the HR Department with him on a trip.

 

[The handsome tard]

It's a common cope when it comes to controversial retcons, with people (usually the media literacy crowd) blatantly ignoring everything about how a scene is set up and presented to say "They never 100% directly look into the camera and spell out that this is what they're doing, so it's not a retcon. Even if it is, there's still time to backpedal reveal that it's something completely different." or will use this to say that it can't be a retcon because the source material never 100% confirmed it either.

Like I remember the most blatant example being the end of Secret Invasion (for all five people that watched it) where they reveal that a major character (Rhodey/Warmachine) has been replaced with a Skrull since Civil War. Naturally, fans kind of didn't like how this basically invalidated some important/emotional beats with Rhodey now knowing that it wasn't really him (as well as making for a big plot hole with the Skrulls' cause in the show), but people tried to defend it by saying that the show never directly stated when Rhodey was replaced.

Despite the entire scene very clearly being set up in a way to make the audience ask what narratively significant period Rhodey could have been abducted during, and drawing the audience's attention to the fact that his injuries are back and that he's in a hospital gown and that there's only one other time we've seen Rhodey at the hospital; none of it matters because it was never directly stated when he was taken. They were totally bringing up all these questions just to answer that he was taken at a time that wasn't important at all. Just ignore that the director came out to directly confirm that Rhodey being taken during civil war is exactly what they were implying.

Must be amazing to be able to gaslight yourself that what you witnessed wasnt a horrendous retcon but a "good subversion/twist".

Modern audiences are quite the interesting bunch.

Fallout is a franchise where the dumbfuck nu-fans tried to correct Tim Cain, THE CREATOR OF FALLOUT that the main thesis of the games was "capitalism bad" when he came out and said the games were never political. They banned him, Tim fucking Cain, from the official Fallout subreddit and claimed "death of the author", ie they know better than the person without whom the franchise wouldn't even exist. These are the same retards who will try and argue that Megaton not having any food makes perfect sense because the franchise never made sense, when that couldn't be further from the truth, and soon the same people who will claim that House was always evil and behind the bombs because the TV show said so and what New Vegas shows doesn't matter. This fanbase gets exactly what it deserves, this is why it's best to just write everything past a certain point(New Vegas/4) as non-canon, period and ignore the new fanbase.

Redditors increasingly seem like less human as time goes on, rather impressive. Its one thing to claim "death of the author", fair enough, you can critize an author's perspective and all but to full on say he was wrong? What in the hell is that logic?

Some people compare the whole thing to how TLoU detractors say that the Fireflies couldnt make a cure even if they cracked a little girl's head open and how thats "DoTA" because Druckmann did intend for the organization to be able to make a cure with Ellie. The difference is that TLoU critics arent saying that Druckmann's POV is irrelevant, its just stupid all things considered from a logical stand point.

One claims Death of the Author to shut up said author out of ideological disagreement
One actually doesnt claim Death of the Author, what they claim the author wrote a bad story if that was his true intention, giving explanations as to why

They dont disagree with Tim, they simply want him to shut up and proclaim a POV that validade their ideological beliefs (coincidentally their own) is just as relevant as the guy that created it all. Its as deranged as it is selfish.

Its no wonder an AI is able to trick them (when its not being their emotional support pet/friend...cuz they have none IRL lol)

Like hell he does, he's someone's edgy OC and it really shows.

After you read enough Fallout fanfiction, you see that many of them have a "The Ghoul" styled character, usually also looking after the fresh from the Vault dweller.

Thats not necessary a bad thing by itself, what is bad is the fact that in most of these fanfictions, that type of character usually tends to be far more likable and without trying too hard to be edgy/cool.

What I am saying is that fanfiction writers understand Fallout more than the custodians of Fallout at this point.

For one thing, just the finger re-attachment scene was hideous. Then the "Ghoul Potions" are fucking stupid. Whose making them? Where? How much are they? Why haven't the ghouls secured their own supply line? Who is growing the food for all these chucklefucks? If the armor had that defect in Alaska, which the ghoul was able to capitalize on in the final Season 1 episode, why was more produced and stockpiled? Why was there no "T-45A1 w/ Liner" like you see with military equipment? Why wasn't that problem discovered in the wasteland if the chinks found it so easily? Why are they able to walk across huge distances in minutes? Why did the ghoul not go crazy from sensory deprivation after being buried after all that time?

All of these are good questions that will be reframed as "nitpicks" or "it will be explained later on."

I dont think people understand how VERY defensive consumers/leftists/redditors/whatevers can get with the product they consume, most of the time being a result of unhealthy attachments of their self worth, usually as a result of traumatic experiences and/or filling a void that was usually filled up with community and religion.

An insult on it, is an insult on them and they get VERY pissed about it.

 

[TheAmbiguousLurker]

Some people compare the whole thing to how TLoU detractors say that the Fireflies couldnt make a cure even if they cracked a little girl's head open and how thats "DoTA" because Druckmann did intend for the organization to be able to make a cure with Ellie. The difference is that TLoU critics arent saying that Druckmann's POV is irrelevant, its just stupid all things considered from a logical stand point.

I mean, I don't think Druckmann's view is irrelevant, but he's clearly changing directions from the TLoU ending after he got free reign. The first game's ending is purposely made to be ambiguous on that front and makes you question if the Fireflies can be trusted, they acted shady (they were ready to leave Joel for dead), aggressive (they had no plans to honour their deal with Joel and get mad at him for not leaving straight away and asking about the girl he spent all this time traveling with) and notes build up some hints that they might not even be able to create the cure. The second game sanitizes them to try and make Abby more sympathetic.

 

[30+GameOvers]

All of these are good questions that will be reframed as "nitpicks" or "it will be explained later on."

I dont think people understand how VERY defensive consumers/leftists/redditors/whatevers can get with the product they consume, most of the time being a result of unhealthy attachments of their self worth, usually as a result of traumatic experiences and/or filling a void that was usually filled up with community and religion.

An insult on it, is an insult on them and they get VERY pissed about it.

Well, we don't need to imagine that since they're in this thread. We would know all about that, wouldn't we @R00T ?
Anyone who unironically is getting excited over this piece of shit show should be spat on. Fucking retards, they're not even tourists, they are veering into being very unwelcome guests you hope will leave when the show inevitably bombs and everyone forgets about it a couple months down the line. Then come back a year later like some sort of a disease that won't go away.

Also, I agree with you on the fanfiction part. I read some good ones back in the day, so I think calling the Amazon show a piece of fanfiction is an insult. It is more similar to "My Immortal" except 100% unironic and getting a cinematic release, with a horde nigger cattle getting excited for it. Straight off Bill Gates' ranch, all they do is shit all day long and think they will ever be accepted as part of the fandom.

@>IMPLYING
Nigga I don't care if you want to watch the show. I just said you should stop writing entire walls of speculation about it nobody is going to read or care about. If you admit it is going to be bad, then why bother spending all that time talking about it? Nobody does unless they are genuinely excited for it, so just admit you're part of the herd and don't do this little dance that "you are only going to watch it to see how bad it is!". Fuck off with that, hatewatchers are just as bad as unironic TV show fans, but I can't tell you what to do with your time. I can only say I never met someone who claimed to be a fan of the Halo show, or the Resident Evil show, or The Witcher show, or the Last of Us Show, or any of these crappy popcorn flick adaptations that don't care about the source material, it's only the new fake part of the fanbase that is unironically getting excited about slurping this slop straight from the source with a straw. It's fucking embarrassing. Even if you just want to watch some netflix slop to pass the time, there is so many better movies or TV shows you could watch, genuinely boggles the mind why fixate on what we already know will be awful and a waste of time. Like, I never watched Season 1, but I already knew the full story on day one just from /tv/ memes and clips they posted. You know what happened when I bothered reading the full script synopsis? I was 100% right, that's how predictable and shitty it was, no plot twists worth a damn whatsoever. So keep writing all those long "speculation posts", I'm not stopping you, but you can bet your ass I will go back and mock them if there is anything resembling any hope for the show being good when it finally gets shat out in December and everybody is mocking it! It will be THE SAME SHIT, we already know the plot and we already know how bad it will get, ultimately none of this matters since it won't ever be canon(lol) nor will it impact how the previous games are seen. Fallout 5 is going to be awful and I am not Nostradamus for pointing that out, so it raping lore even more or incorporating the retarded TV show story into it will be the least of it's problems, but for the larger fanbase at large this show has zero impact no matter what they do with it.

Fuck, I miss when the worst piece of Fallout media was POS for PS2/Xbox and everyone universally agreed it was awful and no further discussion was needed since that was self-evident. Nobody wrote 15,000 word story or gameplay analysis of the game or claimed to be an unironic fan, who then complained that the rest were "ruining their fun". This fandom has truly become rotten to the roots and this is the end-stage of it.

 

[Serbian Peacekeepers]

The Jeet is having a melty again, go figure.

A fun thing I would like to see is China and America set the nukes off early. House calculates Vaul Tech will set it all in motion on this day, VT plan to, and then it turns out that both US and China realize if they start a day early they’ll catch the other off guard. After all, war never changes.

I honestly think this is going to be the case. Since the interplay days there always seemed to be the concept that Vault Tec either caused or was at least planning to cause the Great War. (Original Fallout movie script, the secret nuke in FNV, probably other examples I forgot.)
I think currently the intent is to have Vault Tec deliver the first blow, but I also have a feeling they will never outright say it in the show.

 

[30+GameOvers]

I honestly think this is going to be the case. Since the interplay days there always seemed to be the concept that Vault Tec either caused or was at least planning to cause the Great War. (Original Fallout movie script, the secret nuke in FNV, probably other examples I forgot.)
I think currently the intent is to have Vault Tec deliver the first blow, but I also have a feeling they will never outright say it in the show.

What "secret nuke in NV", I can't seem to recall one right now.
Also, if we take Tactics as canon(which I will over this POS show anyday), Vault Tec's plan was that they never thought the nukes would ever go off, they were using the hysteria to fund the vaults and make themselves filthy rich while doing so. Then, The Enclave came along and gave them even more money in return for using the vaults as a testbed for their psychological experiments. Eventually, Vault 0 was constructed(in place of modern day NORAD in Cheyenne Mountain) which would be a nucleus for all other vaults. In place of actual atomic war, Vault 0 was supposed to house humanity's greatest minds, and would take control of the surface with the help of the most advanced robots in the word, which could not just function but also produce and repair more units as well as develop their own technology even independently of their human overseers. The plan was to re-unite all the vaults in the US, collect any data if need be, and secure nuclear silos(Vault 76 overseer's mission, for example) in order to control what would remain of post-war America

Mind you, they never EXPECTED the war to happen and it is likely they would use this as means to stage a coup within the US at some point, once Vault Tec had enough power and influence, how do we know they never took the nuclear threat seriously? Because Vault 0 was massively underfunded, Calculator AI robot was not functioning properly when the warheads hit and this lead to all the residents getting lobotomized after the bombs. Many vital parts of the vault were also not build since the suits never took the nuclear threat seriously, so they diverted the funds to turn Vault 0 into Vault Tec's own personal vacation retreat, complete with smoking lounges, indoor zoos, fancy restaurants ect.

Now, what the show is trying to do, like with everything else it tried to imitate, kind of sort of fits what the former games had going for them, but they're going about it in a retarded way that makes no sense. I don't really care to argue what the big endgame of a non-canon story that doesn't matter will be but if the answer we will see isn't "Chinese actually did start the war but Vault Tec was retarded somehow and tried covering up for them" then I won't even bother considering any elements of the show canon in any sense. They will 100% go with the "Vault Tec nuked the world" narrative, so this is why I am already checking out, but since some of you neurotic tourists are hell bend on sperging about this turd and all the little corn pieces and nuts stuck in it, I might as well give you a bit of context as to what Vault Tec's big endgame LIKELY was within the Fallout universe.
Also, Tactics is 100% canon no matter what Todd says. He and everyone that agrees with him can eat my entire ass, Fallout 3 states about as much with it's computer entries in the Citadel.

 

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Some people compare the whole thing to how TLoU detractors say that the Fireflies couldnt make a cure even if they cracked a little girl's head open and how thats "DoTA" because Druckmann did intend for the organization to be able to make a cure with Ellie.

Druckman is also an idiot because you dont get a cure for something by cutting open the girl who is seemingly immune to it, you would start with her blood not her brain.

Also, Tactics is 100% canon no matter what Todd says. He and everyone that agrees with him can eat my entire ass, Fallout 3 states about as much with it's computer entries in the Citadel.

I thought tactics was in the same vein of being canon as metal gear portable ops where they fit pretty well into their franchises but outside factors made them not fully canon