Fallout series

It's basically just a nice sandbox to fuck around in.

One thing that'll always get me is the lore spergs on nexus or reddit crying about how some new weapon or armor mod is "lore breaking" as if this game didn't butcher the lore in multiple ways.
It really is best to just think of Bethesda's Fallouts as an entirely sperate continuity from 1, 2 and New Vegas.

Obviously some version of the events of 1 and 2 would have happened in the backstory of Bethesda's version, but it doesn't really work to imagine it's the exact same universe, lore aside, the tonal difference is so great.

I'm hoping for a remaster of F1 and F2, hopefully with the Pc game Fallout:tactics thrown in, now that Obsidian and Bethesda are under the same roof (Microsoft) but i know that even if this happens, it will be ruined and cut.

I thought Wasteland 3 was a brilliant game and very well-done for a console rpg. It would be nice to let that talent take a bash at Fallout, seems as the last good Fallout games was NV.
I would love InXile to make an all new Fallout game in the style of their Wastelands.

Isn't Europe supposed to be a near lifeless wasteland due to already being devastated by the resource wars before WW3?

I think the only non-US country that would really make sense for Fallout would be Japan, since they had their own Atomic Age aesthetic around the 1960s, London doesn't really strike me as fitting for Fallout to be honest.
 
It really is best to just think of Bethesda's Fallouts as an entirely sperate continuity from 1, 2 and New Vegas.

Obviously some version of the events of 1 and 2 would have happened in the backstory of Bethesda's version, but it doesn't really work to imagine it's the exact same universe, lore aside, the tonal difference is so great.


I would love InXile to make an all new Fallout game in the style of their Wastelands.


Isn't Europe supposed to be a near lifeless wasteland due to already being devastated by the resource wars before WW3?

I think the only non-US country that would really make sense for Fallout would be Japan, since they had their own Atomic Age aesthetic around the 1960s, London doesn't really strike me as fitting for Fallout to be honest.
Fallout: Cancun. Ghoul American tourists, an Aztec nuke worshiping death cult and a Mariachi faction who carry AKs in their guitar cases while the Petro Chico execs try to take over again (AKA the Enclave but in Español). I'd prefer that better than a Fallout: London.
 
I'm sure it's been mentioned before in this thread in the past, but I recently have played through the Dust mod for Fallout: New Vegas:
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And I have to say, I was rather disappointed by it. At first glance, it is a very impressive mod, it's the entire Mojave Wasteland redone and changed, each location modified and having different enemies in the locations, with its own lore and different details. I'll admit, it was TK-sMantis' video that had finally got me into playing it, even though I've known this mod's existence since it came out. Personally, I find the mod to have been very underwhelming and honestly not great.

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The lore of the mod is just bad fanfic once you really look into it. The basic plot is: the Second Battle of Hoover Dam ends in NCR victory, but with either a House or Yes Man ending, so the NCR loses the dam and any hope of getting the Strip. Except, in Dust they get mad and forcibly annex the Strip and dam...just like that (with the Courier fleeing and disappearing). How did they do this? They just got done battling the Legion, being exhausted and suffering casualties and depleting resources, yet they can somehow fight against a massive Securitron army and win? The only way I can see them winning is if the Courier blew up the bunker under Fortification Hill, even then there's still some Securitrons they NCR would have to deal with.

Anyways, they get the Strip and this of course causes unrest in Outer Vegas and Freeside. Then the NCR discover the Sierra Madre, and the Cloud, and begin collecting Cloud samples and Ghost People corpses and bringing them to the Mojave in the new labs they built in the Lucky 38 and Vault 21...why the hell are they making a experimental lab in the middle of the damn Strip? Then it's said that the NCR is all of a sudden being sadistic and unethical with everything they do, including experimenting on people and doing taboo things. Obviously in the base game the NCR is not perfect at all, just like all the factions, and they have plenty of faults, but for them to randomly turn into evil scientists out of nowhere is just too random. They get a report a massive sandstorm will be hitting the Mojave and prepare to evacuate...but apparently doesn't hit, as 5 years later a pissed off jannie sabotages the lab in Vault 21, leaking the Cloud all over the Strip wow

After this insanity happens Vegas suffers from riots and rebellions from the Kings and the general population, helping many evacuate and escape the Wasteland. The NCR lock the gate to the Strip, trapping many civilians inside and some troopers, then going on to dump radioactive waste into the sewers to kill anyone hiding out in there or using them to escape, before the NCR finally leaves the Mojave. Some survived inside the casinos in the Strip (somehow with a finite amount of food) and the Cloud blows west to the NCR, reaching the Boneyard, but randomly dispersing and I guess the NCR ends up fine?

Eventually a radioactive dust storm hits the Mojave, absolutely fucking everything up and causing everyone to either die or leave the place. Some of the effects wind their way up at Zion Valley, which is a interesting area, as there is a massive "Wendigo" that is just a giant Spore Carrier like in Vault 22, which turns out to be Joshua Graham, who has been transformed into the abomination and can't be killed by weapons and can only be scared by fire. Also, just like Avellone wanted, the Tunnelers make their way to the Mojave with the cover of the dust storm and infest the region, killing much of the local fauna.

The mod starts 20 years in total after the Second Battle of Hoover Dam, with you playing as The Survivor, with the sole objective of escaping the Mojave. You get no quest markers or anything, and basically have to figure it out yourself. There are four endings in total, one is to repair a plane at Searchlight Airport and escape, one is to travel to Zion and escape through "The Long Dark" which is basically some long bunker, another is to blow some rubble in a tunnel with C4 and make it to Big MT, and find the teleporter gun to transport you to a safe region, and finally, using a Vertibird at Camp McCarran (which requires going through the Strip to get there) and crashing into the Sierra Madre, at which point you escape into the sewers and end up at the Boneyard (???). Also, despite this being 20 years after things going to shit in the Mojave, there is a lot of human enemies (cannibals, tribals, NCR remnants, etc.) who are somehow surviving and just chilling around, instead of leaving like you try to do.

Gameplay wise: it's supposed to be "hardcore" so you have the vanilla game's hardcore system of having to eat, sleep, and drink to survive. Problem is, you have a dumb mechanic of dying of thirst if you go to sleep at the lowest level of dehydration...somehow. The other biggie is ammo and good guns are scarce, and all weapons have bad condition (makes sense) and you can die pretty fast to bullets, sometimes in only a couple of rounds. Your inventory weight is also dramatically reduced to around 50 something.

I spent around a dozen hours playing it and did escape through the Vertibird ending, and honestly I was very disappointed with the experience. The lore is interesting at first but quickly devolves into horrible fanfic levels, the gameplay is just crouching everywhere and dying to a stray bullet instantly, and not using a guide of where the fuck to go for the endings will be a problem. The story would have been better if it was something like "oh shit a massive dust storm devastated the Mojave right after the Hoover Dam battle and everything got fucked up". The gameplay gets very boring and it's not really that hard, as the mod expects you and is intended for people who have played the base game many times, thus making it much easier since you know where to go in general.

I have since uninstalled Dust and have made a new mod list for the base game, and I'm in the middle of it doing a Cowboi Legion playthrough with Raul and Rex, and it's been very fun. I just thought I'd share my experience with the mod since I don't see it mentioned too much anywhere, and if I do see it, its faults aren't discussed much.

Also when I was installing stuff with Viva New Vegas, I noticed they had mentioned the Dust mod as one to avoid, with this reasoning:
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Big oof. Of course, if any of what I said still interests you then go ahead and check out the mod, but I just find it very boring after one short playthrough. (Also don't go into the damn sewers, it's a literal hell to get out)
 
I'm sure it's been mentioned before in this thread in the past, but I recently have played through the Dust mod for Fallout: New Vegas:
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Wow, the 'story' is utter dogshit and makes quite literally everything involved in NV pointless, killing everyone including people in an otherwise sheltered 'promised land'. It sounds like they wanted to make something akin to a stalker mod while also butchering everything in the entire world which is a real feat considering they made it actually bleaker than what was described in the years following the bombs falling.

Naturally to do that it makes the NCR murderous and authoritarian instead of using the pre-existing brutal and authoritarian faction. I'll never understand why mods love turning it into ersatz Enclave despite the base game having several options for that kind've outright evil shit. Why not just have it be a universe where Elijah succeeds despite it all?
 
Isn't Europe supposed to be a near lifeless wasteland due to already being devastated by the resource wars before WW3?

I think the only non-US country that would really make sense for Fallout would be Japan, since they had their own Atomic Age aesthetic around the 1960s, London doesn't really strike me as fitting for Fallout to be honest.
it's a mod, quit asking logical questions.
also on the intro there are hints the nukeolar war was all world.
 
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Wow, the 'story' is utter dogshit and makes quite literally everything involved in NV pointless, killing everyone including people in an otherwise sheltered 'promised land'. It sounds like they wanted to make something akin to a stalker mod while also butchering everything in the entire world which is a real feat considering they made it actually bleaker than what was described in the years following the bombs falling.

Naturally to do that it makes the NCR murderous and authoritarian instead of using the pre-existing brutal and authoritarian faction. I'll never understand why mods love turning it into ersatz Enclave despite the base game having several options for that kind've outright evil shit. Why not just have it be a universe where Elijah succeeds despite it all?
America is big, you could mod a ride on a train out from the train station in the Big MT or any of the other train tunnels in New Vegas proper to do a Stalker-ish mod in one of the proving grounds in NV or better yet, Jornada del Muerto in the Alamogordo Range or maybe Los Alamos, New Mexico,. A ride out to Oak Ridge TN would be a great setting too.
 
I think the only non-US country that would really make sense for Fallout would be Japan, since they had their own Atomic Age aesthetic around the 1960s, London doesn't really strike me as fitting for Fallout to be honest.
While a lot of American technology wouldn't be present in the rest of the world, the 50s culture mixed with science fiction would be an interesting avenue to explore in other countries. The 50s and early 60s represent the optimistic post world war 2 culture. Economies are rebuilding, new technologies are making life more comfortable, colonies achieve independence; the general sentiment that the future is going to be better.

But then in the 60s, that optimism dies. The Cuban Missile Crisis brings the world closer to nuclear armageddon. Politicians and leaders of popular movements are assassinated. Riots and revolutions across the world are brought down violently. Mao's Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution kill millions. The technology that was supposed to make our lives better (nuclear, thalidomide, oil, etc) turns out to have detrimental health effects and are polluting the planet.

There is potential to tell some interesting stories in the Fallout universe, provided that whoever is doing that hits that combination of 50s optimism and 60s reality within the context of the culture of the country their story is set in.
 
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America is big, you could mod a ride on a train out from the train station in the Big MT or any of the other train tunnels in New Vegas proper to do a Stalker-ish mod in one of the proving grounds in NV or better yet, Jornada del Muerto in the Alamogordo Range or maybe Los Alamos, New Mexico,. A ride out to Oak Ridge TN would be a great setting too.
There's a ton of room just in the North American continent for stories to be told with the large number of biomes and the historic cultures in the area. Hell if you really feel froggy one could set it up in Canada - they got their asses beat but chances are some of them survived the bombing. Maybe not easily but I could see vault survivors being less accepted since they likely had some ties to the US government.

Or you could just go full meme and have radioactive badgers and moose, bagged mutant milk, and hyperviolent hockey raiders. You could probably throw in a mix of the two ideas since Fallout rarely keeps things grim or silly everywhere.
 
Or you could just go full meme and have radioactive badgers and moose, bagged mutant milk, and hyperviolent hockey raiders. You could probably throw in a mix of the two ideas since Fallout rarely keeps things grim or silly everywhere.
If we're going to keep it silly I want to play as Hank Hill or his buddies who get mysteriously transported to Canada and comment on everything prefaced with a "I tell you whut...".

Bobby can come but Peggy has to stay home.
 
You know, legit, I swear Im not judging (necessarily...) but can someone tell me why there are people that seem to worship the legion? And being more than disturbingly ok with the slavery? And then calling the NCR a bunch of fascist warmongers (the irony is just lost on them)? And they always picture themselves as those chad memes because of course they do.

Can someone explain if they are for real or if its just a joke? And if its real, whats really their logic? The other 3 endings have their flaws sure but The Legion is a ticking time bomb that is going to collapse over its own size the moment Ceaser kicks the bucket (which is going to happen sooner rather than later with the tumor) and Mr House predicts that they will just devolve into pointless power struggles and crumble under their own incompetent leaderships (I always said that Ceasar only got as far as he did because he is both charismatic and smart in comparison to his peers...most of them were stinking tribals before). So if The Legion wins, New Vegas is going to be victim of their inevitable crumble.

With all of that said, why worship the legion as a bunch of chads?
 
Mr House predicts that they will just devolve into pointless power struggles and crumble under their own incompetent leaderships
Not just House. Marcus points out the same. With Caesar gone, the Legion will eventually descend into petty power struggles. Seems like anyone who lives long enough to get a picture of human nature thinks very little of him and his works. As to the rest of that, probably just weird-ass IRL politics pouring through given that the non-fascists are being called fascists. Welcome to Clown World.
 
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You know, legit, I swear Im not judging (necessarily...) but can someone tell me why there are people that seem to worship the legion? And being more than disturbingly ok with the slavery? And then calling the NCR a bunch of fascist warmongers (the irony is just lost on them)? And they always picture themselves as those chad memes because of course they do.

Can someone explain if they are for real or if its just a joke? And if its real, whats really their logic? The other 3 endings have their flaws sure but The Legion is a ticking time bomb that is going to collapse over its own size the moment Ceaser kicks the bucket (which is going to happen sooner rather than later with the tumor) and Mr House predicts that they will just devolve into pointless power struggles and crumble under their own incompetent leaderships (I always said that Ceasar only got as far as he did because he is both charismatic and smart in comparison to his peers...most of them were stinking tribals before). So if The Legion wins, New Vegas is going to be victim of their inevitable crumble.

With all of that said, why worship the legion as a bunch of chads?
Most of it's a troll against the NCRfags who slobber over how great they are, but there's also the subtext in that Legion Roads are actually safe for merchants and as long as you're not a profligate in some way, they generally don't care what you do.

I'd say the Hegelian stuff speaks to them too but the synthesis is just basically House.
 
Most of it's a troll against the NCRfags who slobber over how great they are, but there's also the subtext in that Legion Roads are actually safe for merchants and as long as you're not a profligate in some way, they generally don't care what you do.

I'd say the Hegelian stuff speaks to them too but the synthesis is just basically House.

Worshipping a factor like its perfect is iroically going against the whole point of FNV. There is no perfect faction and all endings have their pros and cons. But some have more than others and I usually notice more long term cons with the legion, they are ultimately a single man's power trip while taking advantage of guilable tribals and NCR haters. I dont know, I just get a modern politics vibe to the whole worshipping thing, as if FNV can be "connected" to IRL politics...
 
Worshipping a factor like its perfect is iroically going against the whole point of FNV. There is no perfect faction and all endings have their pros and cons. But some have more than others and I usually notice more long term cons with the legion, they are ultimately a single man's power trip while taking advantage of guilable tribals and NCR haters. I dont know, I just get a modern politics vibe to the whole worshipping thing, as if FNV can be "connected" to IRL politics...

Degenerates like you belong on a cross.
 
Most of it's a troll against the NCRfags who slobber over how great they are, but there's also the subtext in that Legion Roads are actually safe for merchants and as long as you're not a profligate in some way, they generally don't care what you do.

I'd say the Hegelian stuff speaks to them too but the synthesis is just basically House.
Pretty much this. There's also the fact that the NCR is Reddit's favorite faction so of course that's where the Chad meme comes in, to dunk on retard Redditors. I personally love all the Chad Legion memes, even though I always pick House nine times out of ten when I play.
 
You know, legit, I swear Im not judging (necessarily...) but can someone tell me why there are people that seem to worship the legion? And being more than disturbingly ok with the slavery? And then calling the NCR a bunch of fascist warmongers (the irony is just lost on them)? And they always picture themselves as those chad memes because of course they do.

Can someone explain if they are for real or if its just a joke? And if its real, whats really their logic? The other 3 endings have their flaws sure but The Legion is a ticking time bomb that is going to collapse over its own size the moment Ceaser kicks the bucket (which is going to happen sooner rather than later with the tumor) and Mr House predicts that they will just devolve into pointless power struggles and crumble under their own incompetent leaderships (I always said that Ceasar only got as far as he did because he is both charismatic and smart in comparison to his peers...most of them were stinking tribals before). So if The Legion wins, New Vegas is going to be victim of their inevitable crumble.

With all of that said, why worship the legion as a bunch of chads?
Because a lot of Fallout fans are invested in the idea that the old world democracy is truly dead and buried, and you have to start all over again to create a stable society. It also doesn't help that many Fallout fans are male and wouldn't mind seeing the women in the setting enslaved if it leads to a more stable and organized society. (Most female FNV fans I've come across don't like the Legion at all.) The NCR being a shitshow doesn't help. More seasoned fans like myself go for House or Yes Man, but I can understand the appeal of the Legion because they give you absolute safety and security in exchange for freedom, which, in a world where you can get eaten by radscorpions, stung by cazadores, or raped/murdered by bandits any day, is an appealing idea to some fans.

The Legion's military efficiency also helps to get people to side with them, as when compared to House hiding behind an army of war droids and the NCR being a complete and utter fucking mess military-wise, the Legion is the only stable army in the New Vegas setting, with a clearly-defined command structure bereft of any plotting or infighting, as well as an extensive spy network and special forces like the Frumentarii which can easily hop on over to NCR turf and cause trouble like in Nipton. Unlike the NCR army where they fear the Legion and their leaders don't always agree, the Legion troops are fearless and are willing to die for their cause, which of course, attracts more fans, since fearless soldiers willing to die for their liege is rather noble in the eyes of many players. And the fact that you can potentially become Caesar's heir (putting your face on the coin is the old Roman way of saying that you're next in line) if you follow through on the Legion questline is another feather on the cap for the Legion players.

And yes, having seen the Legion fanbase for myself, it isn't a joke. It's not like Star Wars where you have Empire fans cheering them on for committing war crimes, then turning around and admitting that Palpatine is a massive dickweed as an Emperor. It's not like Decepticon or Cobra fans among the Transformers or GI Joe fandom who just love playing the bad guy in a kids' cartoon for one reason or another. It's a lot closer to Zeon fans in the Universal Century Gundam fandom, or the right-wing Imperium fans in the 40K fandom, fans who believe that what their faction does is harsh, but is ultimately justified. They genuinely think their faction are the good guys of the setting, or at least, the best choice for mankind in a world gone mad.

Worshipping a factor like its perfect is iroically going against the whole point of FNV. There is no perfect faction and all endings have their pros and cons. But some have more than others and I usually notice more long term cons with the legion, they are ultimately a single man's power trip while taking advantage of guilable tribals and NCR haters. I dont know, I just get a modern politics vibe to the whole worshipping thing, as if FNV can be "connected" to IRL politics...
As I said, the Legion ending implies that the Courier would be next in line if Lanius didn't take the throne. Caesar putting your face on the coin is his way of saying that you're the future of the Legion. And given that Caesar spilled the beans on how the Legion was formed and how it works to the Courier, it seems almost as if he was prepping that mailman/mailwoman to take over this whole shebang once he kicks the bucket one day.

Most of it's a troll against the NCRfags who slobber over how great they are, but there's also the subtext in that Legion Roads are actually safe for merchants and as long as you're not a profligate in some way, they generally don't care what you do.

I'd say the Hegelian stuff speaks to them too but the synthesis is just basically House.
I cannot understand why NCR fans would slobber over the NCR. The whole point of the NCR in FNV is that they suck horribly. Sure, they have cool-looking power armor troops and rangers, but the average NCR goon is barely at the level of your average bandit or raider. Shit, some raiders wear metal armor and wield energy weapons, which is far better than NCR troops having leather armor and shitty service rifles. The infighting between their leaders and the military blunders they make had me laughing at them even when I was playing for them.

I managed to walk off with all the gold bars from the Sierra Madre to fund my campaign in the Mojave, but after working with the NCR and fixing all their damn problems, I was nearly fucking broke spending all that cash buying ammo and repairing my stuff after every sidequest or mission. I never got that close to getting broke in the Legion or House/Yes Man playthroughs. The NCR is so broken that they need you to solve all their problems, whereas the Legion and Mr. House have almost everything dealt with, they only need you to take care of a few side jobs and some missions before they take all of the Mojave for themselves.

Pretty much this. There's also the fact that the NCR is Reddit's favorite faction so of course that's where the Chad meme comes in, to dunk on retard Redditors. I personally love all the Chad Legion memes, even though I always pick House nine times out of ten when I play.
The NCR is Reddit's favorite faction, just because it's the "muh democracy" faction, even though it was meant to be a stand-in for dumbass neo-cons who throw lives away in foreign wars and expansionism. What a joke.
 
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Playing Fallout 4 heavily modded and avoiding or modding most the railroaded sections out is actually quite fun.

As much as The Minutemen feel kinda like default good guys and Preston's nonstop wave of 'another settlement needs your help', I like building them back up. Doing those radiant quests doesn't bother me as much since it's an easy xp and legendary farm and you can easily build up affinity with certain companions if your intent is romancing them.

In a better world, The Minutemen could have been an awesome complex faction with Preston being this older veteran that has no faith in himself anymore and is trusting you to do a better job than him. Preston had a great character underneath all that mediocre character writing and bland voice delievery
 
Fallout 4 is what could have been for a story. Many modern games seem to have the same problem of there being an inkling of a good character/plot but fucked up by hacks who probably should be janitors not writers for a multi million dollar game.
Looking at you andromeda.
 
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