Female Marine Commandat fired

[HG 400]

she prob got fired for not making good sammiches

Or crashed a tank because she got so busy nattering on the phone and doing her nails that she forgot to steer.

 

[KingQueen]

If women can't carry stuff what's the point of letting them in the army? They'll just distract everyone by smiling at boys and asking them to carry their gun for them or w/e.

Either you lack reading comprehension, or my autism is on point today, because I can't tell if you're joking.

 

[Sweet and Savoury]

Here's an other slightly off topic news post.

You know the Army Rangers? They have very high requirements to earn that title and as of this year no female has been able to pass the standards set.

Buuuuut, this year 8 woman took the course and all failed or were washed out but all 8 were given a second chance to pass and three made it through after a second round of tests.

How does that strike you?

http://www.military.com/daily-news/...mountain-phase.html?comp=7000023435700&rank=4

 

[drtoboggan]

The success or failure of an entire military operation depends on them. If a mean lady is too much, they need to drop out. @AnOminous didn't watch his biddies die face down in Vietnam to let a bunch of babies undermine this great nation.

Love your posts, @AnOminous. Stay awesome.

 

[PeteyCoffee]

SJWs did take over the US military.

 

[Trickie]

I think maybe people are getting the wrong idea about boot camp, or at least USMC boot camp. Too much Full Metal Jacket, I guess (even the drill instructors themselves, I swear to god they all just want to be GySgt. Hartman). At any rate, the point of boot camp isn't to constantly verbally abuse the recruits at every possible moment in the worst possible way while the training is going on, it's not just some stupid stress test to see if you can stand being berated constantly while running obstacle courses and doing push-ups for three months. Yes, they do that sometimes, but it's for the purpose of building you back up again into someone who's strong and confident afterward, etc etc (or at least, that's what they told us, iunno).

The point is, the vast majority of boot camp is actually rather routine. 80% of the yelling drill instructors do are orders like "Formation!" "Forward, march!" or instructions, like explaining how not to shoot your buddy at the firing range. You can often get through the whole day without getting yelled at, unless you screw something up (or are just one of those people who are always screwing up), but even then they're more likely to punish everyone physically rather than yell (extra exercises, etc). There's more to it than just constant hardship day in and day out. The idea that you can get better soldiers just by yelling more often and being as cruel as possible seems ridiculous.

But what's extra funny to me is that Lt. Col. Germano, the officer who got fired, she wasn't even a drill instructor, she was the CO, the Commanding Officer. Yelling at recruits is not something a CO normally does (unless you're addressing a lot of them in a big room or something), and you're not even supposed to yell back like you would if you were being addressed by a drill instructor. I mean, I get that she's trying to raise standards with the female Marines, but she sounds like she had some problems delegating.

 

[HG 400]

Either you lack reading comprehension, or my autism is on point today, because I can't tell if you're joking.

1. America is the greatest country on earth and we can whup pretty much any country we declare war on without even trying. We beat Germany. We beat Russia. We beat Vietnam and Iraq and basically every other country dumb enough to step to us. We're not so desperately in need of soldiers that we have to let girls in.

2. If girls were useful in war they could pass the entry requirements without needing them lowered. Entry requirements are like ; you must be this good to even be considered for the army so why bother even considering people who aren't that good? This is basically just affirmative action but for girls who want to play GI Joe dress-ups but can't lift their gun.

 

[Dudeofteenage]

I think maybe people are getting the wrong idea about boot camp, or at least USMC boot camp. Too much Full Metal Jacket, I guess

The world is full of people who have strong opinions about the detail of military operations despite never having been within spitting distance of a military base, let alone a war.

 

[Dr. Meme]

this is basically a hate crime against girl gamers and the marines if you think about it dude.

 

[AnOminous]

The world is full of people who have strong opinions about the detail of military operations despite never having been within spitting distance of a military base, let alone a war.

At least those are merely annoying. What's worse is Congress is full of such people, who have no concept whatsoever of war and yet are continually hungry to enmesh us in it to enrich the military contractors who bankroll their reelection.

 

[Dudeofteenage]

At least those are merely annoying. What's worse is Congress is full of such people, who have no concept whatsoever of war and yet are continually hungry to enmesh us in it to enrich the military contractors who bankroll their reelection.

Bonus points if they talk about "courage"

 

[ChuckSlaughter]

I don't necessarily see a problem with someone being removed if their troops don't have confidence in them though. The traditional way that officers were chosen in militia units, all the way up WW1 as far as I know, is that the units elected the officers and they served at the pleasure of the men they lead and could be removed by a vote any time the unit wasn't in combat.

Hahaha what the fuck are you talking about. That's mutiny and you got killed for that up to ww1.
There are whole fucking commands where the CO is universally reviled after working people to the point of ruining the marriages of the old guys and pushing the lower ranks to suicide with smiles on their faces. There are officers who probably haven't had a single piece of food without feces in it all year.

It's also worth noting that in the past officers could buy commissions or receive them by virtue of having noble blood.

They practically do this still. I don;t know how many fucking absolutely idiotic smug fresh out of college officers I could tell had a silver spoon in their mouths their whole lives. These guys would disrespect 40 year old e-7s as if it was their birthright.

I'm hoping the USMC has good reasons for making this change and that it's not simply removing an officer who was actually doing the right thing to prepare their people to succeed. Could be the colonel was over-compensating and holding her people to unreasonable standards which is no more acceptable than a black commander pushing black recruits harder because he feels they have something to prove

If there were a list of problems in the military that have long been unaddressed this would l#700. The us military just moves under the determination of it's members in spite of it's terminally fucked culture and celebration of mediocrity in the the higher ranks. The place is well and genuinely fucked I can't even explain it to civilians.

it easily could turn into a way to collect welfare without doing anything.

That's called an officer. There are lots and lots of people who just find comfortable places to exist and then earn a reputation with the right people by working the shit out of the lower ranks doing unimportant work and annoying busy people with the details of their uniforms and other crap.
If you become an officer in the navy you're just promoted automatically no matter how awful you are... for at least 4 years. Because most officers get out there are way more junior officers than work for them to do so you literally do nothing but play mario kart and harass enlisted people for salutes. Someone will feed you, do your laundry, and make your bed.

You are all but assured a civilian job at the end of your commission, one with high pay and almost no work if you want.

so smaller people really will struggle physically to keep up.

Absolutely incorrect military PT values marathon runners over weight lifters. The military does have a problem with equipment not fitting women as well as it should but that's only going to reduce the weight of some items. Lots of the military is just picking up shit all day and moving it around and not getting tired or cranky about it. Smaller people actually do just fine in the military, little guys do great on pfa because it's easy for them to run, do push ups, sit ups, swim, and pull ups. All bodyweight exercises, no matter what the physical activity women will score lower in general so it makes sense that only a small number of women qualify for some sorts of work compared to small men.

At any rate, the point of boot camp isn't to constantly verbally abuse the recruits at every possible moment in the worst possible way while the training is going on, it's not just some stupid stress test to see if you can stand being berated constantly while running obstacle courses and doing push-ups for three months.

I have to disagree I've heard that tear you down and build you up stuff. I think it just gets repeated because it sounds good, the whole military is full of dumb sayings and mottos passed out as fact .. what does that even mean tear you down and build you back up? If you constantly treat someone like crap they'll get mean for you, they'll do what they're told, and when push comes to shove they'll keep doing their job until they keel over which is great if the stakes are high. That being said boot camp is all fun and games and maybe throwing up a little bit. It's supposed to be challenging and it's supposed to be fun even when you get yelled at the RDC/DI is usually delivering a well practiced comedy routine and he hopes you like it but don't you dare laugh My time in the fleet was way harder than boot camp, most of my division popped their piss tests, go UA or kill themselves rather than deal with it... over 90% of the people who arrived e-3 or below would not be seeing an honorable discharge.

 

[Trickie]

I have to disagree I've heard that tear you down and build you up stuff. I think it just gets repeated because it sounds good, the whole military is full of dumb sayings and mottos passed out as fact ..

Maybe. I wasn't exactly in a good state of mind back then, so I wouldn't be able to say for sure one way or another, but boot camp being fun and games? I get the feeling you might've gone to a different place than I did. Either that or you're just one of those people who enjoys exercise a little too much.

 

[ChuckSlaughter]

Maybe. I wasn't exactly in a good state of mind back then, so I wouldn't be able to say for sure one way or another, but boot camp being fun and games? I get the feeling you might've gone to a different place than I did. Either that or you're just one of those people who enjoys exercise a little too much.

I like exercise but I was sick and puking the whole time but they made it fun. I don't know that I would live like that normally but by the end of bootcamp I was pretty much used to what was going on and remembered thinking I could live like that for a year if I needed to.
I wasn't exactly in shape when I got there either.

But yeah it was fun listening to some guy screaming at you about catching sexual diseases from sheep. This was navy boot camp but aside from the duration and some of the material covered it looked closer to marine boot camp than the army boot camp according youtube videos. I'm sure marine boot camp has much more intense workouts though. I think it started being fun after I could see this angry face guy spitting all over when he talks who seems really upset about my shoe laces and know that he's not actually mad and he's having a good time.

Once you realize everyone is having fun it's fun and games.

The fleet was much worse I remember feeling dizzy and nauseous and then trying to exhaust myself the rest of the way with work so I would pass out and get LLD but then never actually passing out.
It was good and bad for me, the first part of my life I was never achieving, had plenty of evidence that I would be a loser, lolcow level stuff. My enlistment showed me strength I didn't know I had and was really the first time in my life I had a self esteem to speak of. On the other hand now almost every normal american's grips just piss me off and make me want to sperg about going to school in the snow uphill both ways.