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With that being said, I don't like most of leftie shit either, however I refuse to play this stupid game. The greatest realization in all of this is the fact you DON'T have to play this game. I also personally wish that desire to start/have a family wasn't considered a "trad"/right-wing value, because the human desire to have a family or a seek similar substitute was ingrained in us since our very existence and something that transcends politics.
I’m fine with people choosing not to have kids for personal reasons. Even if I disagree with their reasoning, it’s not my place. I do disagree with people that argue that nobody should have kids.
 
If anything there is a far right to radfem pipeline. I used to consider myself pretty far right, but nothing makes you see the need for feminism more than hanging out in far right/conservative scrote spaces where they talk about removing women's rights to vote, discuss how women should be a man's property and babyfactory only. That women shouldn't be able to say no to sex with their husband ever and accept infidelity and domestic violence without the option to divorce. Many of the popular radfems on Twitter admit to being former conservative pick-me's who were blackpilled by men into becoming misandrist feminists. Lauren Southern turned away from the right because of all the shit she gets from conservative men constantly and is now called a misandrists feminist by men. The far right is extremely hostile to women, even to the women who share their ideals about a whuite ethnostate, anti-trans, anti-immigration, anti-gay etc. they will not accept women as equals and that's why they will never be anything but a clown show run by homosexuals like Nick Fuentes and never a serious movement.

Honestly, this was also my experience. I used consider myself far right too all up until very recently when I did started to reflect a lot on my views about regarding the whole topic, sphere and discourse. And just the realization how much even when women in that sphere uplift and sing praises of them, men in those spheres return that favor by spitting at them while also expecting them to continue doing this PR for them. I actually felt really somewhat bad for my views changing so drastically but I was also surprised when I've seen how common this experience is for women online.
I mean there’s the quote that I’m probably getting wrong: “Right wing men view women as private property, left wing men view women as public property.” It really must suck on a level that I can barely begin to comprehend. I can understand feeling like neither side represents you, but women have it on a whole different level, what with having your freedoms and rights on the line.
 
I believe that Patriarchy is in some ways an emergent cultural phenomenon. It see to me to be a whole that is larger than the sum of its parts that only fully manifests when looking at very large groups of people, on the scale of cultures and societies.
I don't see how the patriarchy as real. It's an invisible bogeyman to blame problems on. What is labeled "patriarchy" is like you said, an emergent phenomenon, with its roots in innate sex differences. Acting like it's some kind of conspiracy upheld by men is foolish though.
 
The greatest realization in all of this is the fact you DON'T have to play this game.
This is the realization I've come to over the past few years and it was very freeing. I don't have to wear either party's button. Zen. I'll vote for whomever I personally believe will do the least amount of damage and not give another thought to it the rest of the year.
 
I don't see how the patriarchy as real. It's an invisible bogeyman to blame problems on. What is labeled "patriarchy" is like you said, an emergent phenomenon, with its roots in innate sex differences. Acting like it's some kind of conspiracy upheld by men is foolish though.
i agree. Sex-difference is reflected in the culture, more or less, depending on time and geographic location. The expectations to live up to your cultures standard gender-role affects men as well as women. it is not a stick one sex beats the other with.
 
The greatest realization in all of this is the fact you DON'T have to play this game.
My personal realization is that every women is to herself. Literally chances are there is no space for you or it is being actively eroded, the only way you will get what you want is to actually put effort in.

I can't just join an incel forum and fantasize about abusing women all day like men can because female equivalent of an incel forum is a place where all the user are hyper paranoid and scared of everything. So basically worthless when it comes to inflating your ego and making you feel in control. I have to actually go outside and accomplish something while men can instantly join said group and immediately get their gratification.
 
I mean if you think about it those incels are trading long term growth, happiness, and satisfaction for a short term ego boost. They are literally crabs in a bucket. Is not having something like that for yourself really a loss?
My personal realization is that every women is to herself. Literally chances are there is no space for you or it is being actively eroded, the only way you will get what you want is to actually put effort in.

I can't just join an incel forum and fantasize about abusing women all day like men can because female equivalent of an incel forum is a place where all the user are hyper paranoid and scared of everything. So basically worthless when it comes to inflating your ego and making you feel in control. I have to actually go outside and accomplish something while men can instantly join said group and immediately get their gratification.
 
I mean if you think about it those incels are trading long term growth, happiness, and satisfaction for a short term ego boost. They are literally crabs in a bucket. Is not having something like that for yourself really a loss?
I get what you're saying but sometimes I just want to be a hateful psycho online.
 
If anything there is a far right to radfem pipeline. I used to consider myself pretty far right, but nothing makes you see the need for feminism more than hanging out in far right/conservative scrote spaces where they talk about removing women's rights to vote, discuss how women should be a man's property and babyfactory only.
Same but with added the media, various public institutions and corporations pushing the most incompetent and out of touch women that makes us look bad. I mean i had to read lunacy about Elagabalus being first something trans feminist , i never wanted to scream so hard at the academic for babbling some retarded bs that everyone with a brain can see is lunacy. Same with policy pushed in our name that nobody asked for it.
I mean there’s the quote that I’m probably getting wrong: “Right wing men view women as private property, left wing men view women as public property.”
women are getting attacked from the left by erasing what is a woman and letting trans degens and immigrants to attacks us without repercussions while the conservatives outright want our rights terminated and cheer them on .

Is like we cant win and we need womans party.
 
Question: Do you think men can be good/better? Why or why not? I’d like to hear perspectives on this.
literally not-all-men, and those are reasonable, accountable adults, just like the reasonable, accountable women; if you mean can bad men get better, no, because no one gets better.
 
one would think having a daughter would ensure this, but meeting an incest victim erased all hope
I hope her abuser got punished. That must be terrible. It’s honestly kinda terrifying to me as a man to think about the sheer scale of male violence. It makes me worry if I am capable of being a good person despite my maleness. I think I am not a misogynist, at least I try very hard to not be, but what if am one and just don’t realize it?
 
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I hope her abuser got punished. That must be terrible. It’s honestly kinda terrifying to me as a man to think about the sheer scale of male violence. It makes me worry if I am capable of being a good person despite my maleness. I think I am not a misogynist, at least I try very hard to not be, but what if am one and just don’t realize it?
Nothing ever happened to him; it was a Catholic family from the Midwest and the parents never divorced and for all I know he's still alive.
The things he did are truly vile [wish I didn't know details], and they happened to three of his daughters. Most of the time when groypers, &c. post horrible rape ideation on social media, I jokingly wish daughters upon them, because I know that for some men, that's all it takes, and they suddenly grow a conscience and accountability out of pure tribalism, plus they will be visited with every nightmare known to Man due to their own horrific behavior.
But then I remember that one father, and all bets are off.
 
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I can't just join an incel forum and fantasize about abusing women all day like men can because female equivalent of an incel forum is a place where all the user are hyper paranoid and scared of everything. So basically worthless when it comes to inflating your ego and making you feel in control. I have to actually go outside and accomplish something while men can instantly join said group and immediately get their gratification.
I never thought I'd read jealousy of people on an incel forum.

Is it possible for a man to be an ally to women?
To a woman or to a feminist? Typically when I hear people use ally in this context they mean a kind of political ally. Not sure how you mean "to a woman". How would it be different to a friend?

And yes, in contrast to either social media messages and hollywood movies like when harry met sally, it is possible for men and women to enjoy platonic friendship with each other.
 
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