Business Fewer and fewer young men are going to college, now represent only 42% of students at 4-year schools: poll

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College enrollment has been gradually declining over the past ten years, particularly among young men, according to Pew Research Center.
Colleges in America have represented the gateway to elite institutions and upper mobility for generations, but between expensive costs and various controversies, many appear to be second-guessing spending years in academia, especially men, and demographers are starting to notice.
Most of the decline is due to fewer young men pursuing college," Pew reported. "About 1 million fewer young men are in college but only 0.2 million fewer young women. As a result, men make up 44% of young college students today, down from 47% in 2011, according to newly released U.S. Census Bureau data."
The study added further, "This shift is driven entirely by the falling share of men who are students at four-year colleges. Today, men represent only 42% of students ages 18 to 24 at four-year schools, down from 47% in 2011."
Polling from 2021 may explain some of the reasons why, as "Roughly a third (34%) of men without a bachelor’s degree say a major reason they didn’t complete college is that they just didn’t want to" and 26% of them stated they did not need further education for the careers they wanted.

Meanwhile, women argued that the reason was that they were unable to afford colleg

 

[Get the rope Macaulay!]

The American right wing loves intellectuals, they just angry that the intellectuals don't love them back.

this brings me back to my point about so many on the right just justifying their own inability to go to college as a deliberate choice. Pretty much the best people on the right at combating the left are former leftys and the reason for that must be attributed to either intellectual capacity or an understanding of leftist tactics, which would explain why the art school weirdos of dime square have been able to justify religion in a modern world better than the best thinkers the religious right had at their height. Same with guys like Rufo being able to destroy woke instutitions just as a hobby and only taking the redpill because he overheard the shit his hapa kids were being taught. the same way trump easily curbstomped the entire RNC for fun basically in 2016, its obvious plenty on the right are so ignorant that college and intellectuals scare them, but they'll treat you like a black friend if you do have any brain power and pander to them. Like i was saying with my offspring reference, this isnt even a modern phenomenon, George Lincoln Rockwell has almost the exact same upbringing and backstory of your average hollywood lib, both his parents were entertainers in the thriving NYC area and he literally went to art school, his job outside of the navy was working on MADison avenue as one of many advertisement MEN. in fact plenty of the nazi high command were also part of that intellectual or art class of society. Turns out being around guys like Kirk Douglas or Harvey Weinstein might make you hate jews.

But overall yes, the college educated intellectual artsy types are better and more capable when it comes to fighting the "info wars" of modern society and the memeing about going into the trades is more sour grapes from people that never can nor will leave Plato's cave. Last i checked spics were all about the trades for centuries and somehow even in places like East LA they never seem to be the ones with any real power. At best they end up like the blacks where the talented tenth end up doing a modern feudalism and taking all the higher jobs with the social contract of making sure their underlings are well provided for, while their own kids fetishize the whites they go to private school with. If anything thats probably why the meme is so strong. its a psy-op by people on the right that want to be the white people's jesse jackson. You can tell by the emergence of the hicklib and garbage musicians like Jelly Roll that whites are quickly becoming as mongrel as all the other races. especilly in small towns. if all your competition goes into the trades then you're a shoe-in for the white Al Sharpton role.

 

[cybertoaster]

Cool, let women handle everything now, specially live combat.

And all that aside as Scott Greer correctly points out the right is not going to build a counter elite by encouraging everyone to become plumbers and clean the elite's toilets.

Well the right could pull a page from the mamluks and just take over by sheer violent force.

But they wont.

This glorification of poverty, being poorly educated, and downward mobility is why the left controls all our institutions.

Not quite, its because the right let the left in but the left wont let the right back in. Talk to any conservative academics they are under constant attack from lefties. Go back 70 years and the situation is not the same, conservative academics were not refusing tenure to leftist professors, conservatives students were not staging protests and demanding lefty professors be kicked out.

The march on the institutions was a heavily coordinated multi-generational leftwing effort, the right lost because they refused to do the same and also refused to block the left like the left is blocking them now, its that simple.

"When I am weaker than you, I ask you for freedom because that is according to your principles; when I am Stronger than you, I take away your freedom because that is according to my principles." ― Frank Herbert​

I am literally begging American conservatives to stop glamorizing being poorly educated and poor in general.

You can thank neocons for that, they are as corrupt as neolibs but only care about votes and figured that dumb people would be more likely to vote for them while smart conservatives would likely shift away from the GOP.

the trades is literally just stripping for men. "you can't get a degree and want to make a lot of money, just become a stripper, your body might get used up quick and you'll be in pain constantly but you'll make all the money!!!!!!"

Not really, strippers only end up busted up if they start doing drugs or abuse the booze, but I seen a few in even their 40s that still ok (with their clothes on). But tradies? never seen one that hadn't at least a slipped disc by their early 30's.

The only tradies I seen who aren't destroyed are electricians, and only those who haven't lost both arms or even their face to an arc-flash.

won't do you any good if you aren't networking

Nepotism, its called nepotism.

most non-STEM majors is shit unless you're a party animal and befriend the types that would get you an amazing job

From experience most rich kids already have their clique, saw plenty of middle class fools desperately trying to break in only to become the clown.

so they'd refuse to let their kids live in the dorms and commute instead

I don't know any boomer who says this, they were all about getting their kids out of the house fast and thought college was like animal house, the quintessential late-boomer college movie.

Its mostly genX parents who are afraid billy will get bullied in the dorms and commit suicide, or that becky will get raped by all the frats combined, who force their kids to commute.

The autisit who dedicated themselves to the books is going to have a much shittier life than the person that just partied all the time and had a great speaking voice

The autist can't socialize anyway, and I know plenty of guys who spent all time partying and went nowhere, even some who had rich parents and a trustfund (aka: retard insurance) managed to still fuck it up.

You have to be waaaaay up in the scale to be a party animal and not end up in the streets, like hunter biden.

the art school weirdos of dime square have been able to justify religion in a modern world better than the best thinkers the religious right had at their height.

The average "based" ex-leftie doesn't hold a candle to the likes of Huysmans, problem is the right doesn't reads.

If you need to be spoonfeed by youtube grifters like sargon then you already lost the game.

But overall yes, the college educated intellectual artsy types are better and more capable when it comes to fighting the "info wars" of modern society

Those idiots still haven't figured out why they lost the memewars from 2016 despite having almost total media control, they are completely out of touch with society at large and completely disconnected outside their social bubble.

Last i checked spics were all about the trades for centuries and somehow even in places like East LA they never seem to be the ones with any real power. At best they end up like the blacks

Latinos are not a racial group like blacks but a cultural one, when you break up the stats it shows some of them surpass non-hispanic whites and others lag. Also the ones coming from more developed LATAM countries do far better than the ones coming from literal shitholes like central america or the caribbean.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

The big question is the STEM statistics, since I doubt there are more than 10% biological women in it. It's just not worth it timewise for women.

And all that aside as Scott Greer correctly points out the right is not going to build a counter elite by encouraging everyone to become plumbers and clean the elite's toilets.

The difference is cleaning the elites toilets or fixing their iphones. If you want to be an elite in modern day either get insanely lucky and mega rich, or be born into it. If you go to college for a job you are already assured to not become elite.

 

[Get the rope Macaulay!]

who aren't destroyed are electricians,

i'm sure giving yourself accidental electro shock therapy probably fucks you up a bit, not body wise but in the head. The only electrican i know watches cartoons. Also i put boomers and genX in the same category sorry.

Also by party animal i just meant socializing, its why i also used the autist example. You're also good for pointing out the latinos are a cultural group. But you're still wrong because once you break it down by percentages its like 70% mexican, 10% Cuban, 10% Rican. 10% the rest.

If you want to be an elite in modern day either get insanely lucky and mega rich, or be born into it. If you go to college for a job you are already assured to not become elite.

great point.

 

[cybertoaster]

10% the rest.

Those are the ones getting ahead, way ahead.

i'm sure giving yourself accidental electro shock therapy probably fucks you up a bit, not body wise but in the head.

Talking melted arms here, and I think an electrician was the first successful face transplant case, nuff said.

Then there are the dead/vaporized ones.

 

[Buttigieg2020]

It’s because whites generally have more males in college than females. The opposite is true of blacks and Hispanics, and as demographics continue to shift, this will become more prevalent.
(Although with affirmative action gone, this may be delayed significantly.)




Ultimately what’s most important is that you have skills that you can use to get ahead, whether that be engineering, plumbing, business accounting, etc.

Men dropping out of useless degrees is a positive, men dropping out of college altogether is not.

 

[Safir]

Get the fuck out of here. You really think African american studies degrees need an iq of 120, which is 99.9% higher than any african american? fuck you

IQ is largely bullshit. Some conservatives, suffering from small-dick anxiety, fap to it because it gives them a material reason to feel superior to blacks (at the cost of sucking cut cock). They also love the fantasy that intellect is unavoidably inherited and thus makes them worthy of daddy's material inheritance (that daddy had to work for).

IQ is supposed to be universal, culture-agnostic. But a sub 70 IQ first-worlder is an obviously mentally incapacitated drooling retard, while there are hunter-gatherer tribes that are all under IQ 60, because they don't understand page numbers and frames and barely even have writing not to mention abstract thought. They won't ever learn to count or plan ahead, so they're incapable of first-world life, but they aren't drooling retards and are capable of leading their continuing low-tech existence.

Spoiler: the ethics of baby theft

(What would happen if you steal a baby? I'd wager the baby would turn out fine. But libs don't want to steal babies (it's white supremacy or something), small-dick conservatives would hate being proven wrong, and there are soy "ethics" committees so unfortunately no one's stealing babies for science. All "adoption studies" are tainted by the fact that a child in need of adoption is fucked.)

tl;dr IQ is really "white-collar/modernity adaptation". I find it plausible that woke studies graduates have learned enough multisyllabic words and how to check boxes that it puts them at 120.

Nevertheless, the chart is valuable for the relative positions. "Early childhood", "social work" and other therapy shit are at the bottom. "Trust the experts" IQ 133 physicists defer, with regards to their children's upbringing, to literal drooling retards.

 

[AnotherPleb]

Literally not even five minutes ago I got a call saying that someone I knew from my hometown had a heart attack in one of the local bars and died instantly, she was 39 and a high school graduate.

Blue collar America is not fucking ok.

Blue collar America is fucked because society is hellbent on completely destroying it.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

eh just open an anime college. you ll get men...trust me

You’d also get rid of a lot of issues. Teachers after all wpuld just be vtubers and not actually there

 

[Snekposter]

You’d also get rid of a lot of issues. Teachers after all wpuld just be vtubers and not actually there

VTubers can't be any worse at teaching than teachers are now.

 

[northstar747]

VTubers can't be any worse at teaching than teachers are now.

can you imagine taking a class with proff pikkins?

 

[Troon_Patrol]

Unless you are using your degree %100 applied to your future career, college is %100 a scam.

I spent a VERY short time in college, my evolutionary bio teacher was preaching accepting trannys as real women, my English teacher was preaching left wing bullshit about illegal immigration, anyone who openly disagreed with her nonsense politics was given a worse grade.

Go to a trade where you know you will earn money, don't go into $200,000 of debt learning absolutely fuck nothing. Get a fake diploma, it's litterally .05% of the cost of a real one.Half the professors are overpaid communists taking salaries 10x what a professor earns in a communist country, the ones with tenure are practically unfireable for any nonsense that spews out of their self-entitled mouths. "White people are the real problem with society, we need to enact communism immediately, all men are rapists in denial" Fuck these people, they've existed for so many years unchallenged they don't even know what a moral compass is.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

VTubers can't be any worse at teaching than teachers are now.

Legit better probably. Just the stuff they draw inspiration for models from and theming would require people to be a lot better read to get

 

[The Hardest R]

I respectfully disagree, I recommend everyone who has the intellectual capacity for it to go white collar.

Conservative influencers like to fantasize about this wonderful tradcon society where blue collar America is thriving and happy and free from degeneracy.

Blue collar America is not thriving, it is rotting into the ground. I come from a small working class town and everyone who did not have the ability to leave is struggling heavily.

They are addicted to drugs and alcohol, riddled with health problems in their late 20s, and often divorced. All over the country you can find working class towns like these sinking into despair and decay.

And all that aside as Scott Greer correctly points out the right is not going to build a counter elite by encouraging everyone to become plumbers and clean the elite's toilets.

This glorification of poverty, being poorly educated, and downward mobility is why the left controls all our institutions.

I agree. I work at a place with union labor and many of the guys in their 50s and 60s are seemingly out for large chunks of time recovering from surgery. If you’re non-union, you’re on your own and unsurprisingly there’s a lot of opiate addicts who got hooked on painkillers due to injuries from manual or skilled labor. I think the people worshiping the trades only talk about it when men are at their physical prime. Not much talk about being a tradesman in their 40s, 50s, and 60s.

It’s always interesting how conservatives keep getting encouraged to focus only on the short term and thinking long term means you’re a pussy or a doompiller. Not hard to see why things are the way they are with that mindset.

 

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

With very few exceptions getting a an advanced indoctrination certificate beyond a high school diploma is a waste of time if you're a white man.

They're going to hire a disabled trans pajeet ultranigger over you

This is such bullshit.

and if you want to spend 4 years being told what a piece of shit you are just get a subscription to ballbusting dot com

If that was your college experience, you did it wrong.

I got a college degree when things were significantly less pozzed and reality is that I've never had a job I couldn't have done when I was 12 with a month or two of on the job training. Many such cases.

Then you're underachieving relative to your possible potential. Which is a choice, and if you're you're happy, great for you.

Most people use a college or advanced education as a springboard, a starting point.

I've had interns and just-graduated people work for me. Yes, they're spoon-fed for a bit, but they are still required to do things and produce in a way that they could not have as an 18 yo out of high school. And the curve is steep - if after a year they're still performing as they did on Day 1, then they're not likely going to be advancing. That said, there are some jobs that "require" or strongly prefer a degree that don't really need them. And I've known some brilliant people to go get an undergraduate degree or an MBA because the technical lack of the credential was holding them back professionally. Yet still, the ones who did so and then kept moving up were the ones who took the education seriously bc they recognized there was actually some important stuff they could and needed to learn.

Degrees/the educational experience are most often objectively valuable, even performing minimally. But even if you can get by and really gain nothing or not much, if you mail it in, you're the one creating the waste of time. If you dig in, engage, make a point to learn something beyond the bare minimum, then you come out 50x better than someone who skated by.

I agree that people unwilling to take advantage of all that college has to offer maybe shouldn't bother (though it still seems dumb to me to cap your trajectory, but whatever). But if you spent years just killing time and ignoring the knowledge around you, that's your fault, not the school's.

 

[Neighborhood Curmudgeon]

At minimum it should have given you a different perspective on life, thats worth more than anything.

Honestly, college just felt like more school. And I hate school. I love to learn, but I can't stand academia. I don't think higher education is inherently bad or has to be a bad thing per se, but in modern America it mostly is these these days. Personally, I've learned more on my own from reading and experience than from school. I support people pursuing altneratives to higher education whether it's going into the trades, the workforce, etc. College is overrated.

I agree with the idea that the left shouldn't have a monopoly on intellectualism, whether it's in college or not. Despite their claims to the contrary, the left is way more anti-intellectual than the care to admit.

 

[Ashkenazi Porn Actress]

Well the right could pull a page from the mamluks and just take over by sheer violent force.

Why would Scott Greer, who spent months defending the honor of Harvey Weinstein, advocate advocate for a solution more radical than "Vote Republican next election"? These are all fantasies and wignat cringe, bro. He'd rather sell you and other young men aspirational fantasies about Secret Radical Right-Wing Counterelites™ doing a heckin Fabianism.

 

[Snekposter]

can you imagine taking a class with proff pikkins?

Well, I don't know anything about VTubers other than one is a cute shark and the trannies killed Pikamee when she dared to be a magical girl, so no, I can't imagine.

 

[Ser Prize]

Damn. You got me right in the feels with that. Instead of letting it fall into disrepair, we should try to reclaim higher education from the left. Also, good point that it doesn't benefit the right to be anti-intellectual.

Personally, I hated my own college experience and think it's overrated. I stand by that. However, I can also concede that I shouldn't let my own negative personal experience distract me from the big picture.

You can't reclaim higher education from the marxists on high. You can only let it's current iteration collapse and be more careful with what comes after.

 

[Kiwi Lime Pie]

With very few exceptions getting a an advanced indoctrination certificate beyond a high school diploma is a waste of time if you're a white man. They're going to hire a disabled trans pajeet ultranigger over you and if you want to spend 4 years being told what a piece of shit you are just get a subscription to ballbusting dot com

It hasn't helped that high schools and society in general is teaching males, especially white males, that they have some sort of imaginary privilege just for existing and don't deserve to amount to anything because of that. It's a self-fulling prophesy in a negative way: telling males they won't or shouldn't amount to anything is discouraging them from post-secondary education.

The men opting out of College that aren't going straight into the workforce are still having an education, or rather, training. The investment is not as big, but the payback is immediate. Generating money when you're still rather young can help you to to get a family you can support.

I wish this meant that more men were going to trade school instead, but I get the feeling most young men who don't go to college are just dropping out of society and becoming NEETs.

Those that have the aptitude for trades can do decently for themselves, but they have to have the right attitude and take care of themselves (physically, mentally, and financially).

Those who feel they have no role in society are simply becoming NEETS with the expectation the government will take care of them or they can subsist as grifters.

Personally, I hated my own college experience and think it's overrated. I stand by that. However, I can also concede that I shouldn't let my own negative personal experience distract me from the big picture.

I feel fortunate that I attended college before the SJW movement kicked in and my alma mater implemented its diversity class requirement. However, I understand that the college experience can suck for some people based on the number of people I knew who dropped out for whatever reason.

At one point, I considered going back for a second degree, but I noped the fuck out because of the current environment and the fact tuition has more than tripled since I graduated. The professional continuing education program I opted for instead is more practical, economical, and useful for what I do with my clients.

The big question is the STEM statistics, since I doubt there are more than 10% biological women in it. It's just not worth it timewise for women.

This is a shame because my graduating class had a fairly even male/female ratio in our senior seminar class that was required for graduating seniors. This was before trannies became enough of a presence on campus to cause issues for women pursuing degrees. It also hasn't helped that people are being pushed into STEM that may be disinterested or simply lack the ability to succeed in such a field.