Final Fantasy XIV - Kiwi Free Company

[CharcoalChkn]

If I may speculate, I'm thinking it might have more to do with the massive growth FFXIV has seen over the last 12 months, espeically from former WoW players who are accustomed to using addons, I know they can't see what you have installed on your PC, but maybe they just want to send a very clear message that this is not what the game is about and they do not want it present moving forward?

IDK. This whole thing is funny af. I'm chill with ACT/GShade but thats about it, granted I use some other plugins like the Mini Cactpot helper and Treasure Map location pin but I would not be upset at all if I lost them.

 

[Fcret]

Literally nothing the fuck has changed at all today then even 6 months ago, this shit didn't happen in ucob, uwu, or tea from what I recall at least not to this extent. Why the fuck does it happen with Dragonsong?

DSR viewership on Twitch/Youtube was significantly larger than prior ultimates.

 

[Sunflower Samurai]

Im getting curious on if/when they will add in some HUD/UI reworks as a result of this kerfuffle, imho, i think the salt on something being or not included will be kinda funny

 

[Zeke Von Genbu]

If I may speculate, I'm thinking it might have more to do with the massive growth FFXIV has seen over the last 12 months, espeically from former WoW players who are accustomed to using addons, I know they can't see what you have installed on your PC, but maybe they just want to send a very clear message that this is not what the game is about and they do not want it present moving forward?

IDK. This whole thing is funny af. I'm chill with ACT/GShade but thats about it, granted I use some other plugins like the Mini Cactpot helper and Treasure Map location pin but I would not be upset at all if I lost them.

This shit started because they got told that people were cheating or whatever in Dragonsong, which I assume means using cactpot or something (which is fine enough). That was their words during that announcement a few days ago. Which has since been an overreach now that we're targeting just basic parsing on ACT with no signs of cactpot at all.

This also happened after WF occurred, which is why I think this is at least partially caused by some autistic nipponese gaming samurais hating the dorito dew king gamer gaijins taking their GLORIOUS victory.

DSR viewership on Twitch/Youtube was significantly larger than prior ultimates.

Ucob for its time was a massive fucking deal relative to the average FFXIV stream, that had to ring some alarm bells if we're using streaming activity changes as the major factor. This was during Stormblood when they were really trying to break the absolute shit show the raid scene became due to Gordias making the game overly catered to elitist sweat lords. Yoshi has even stated he watches FFXIV streamers do hard content. He knows these fuckers use ACT, and I'd imagine he probably uses it himself )or some dev version) because this man is a tryhard in his private time.

 

[Fcret]

Im getting curious on if/when they will add in some HUD/UI reworks as a result of this kerfuffle, imho, i think the salt on something being or not included will be kinda funny

Probably relatively quickly tbh. The drama around automated waymarker addons peaked in 5.1. In 5.2, they let you save waymarker presets.

I expect pretty quick turnaround on this tbh.

 

[SouthernBitchBob]

I'm trying to figure out if I'm more entertained by raidtroons pitching fits or the Pwecious UwU Commewnity stamping their feet and acting like even *thinking* about violating the sacred TOS profanes your permanent record and earns you fifty well-deserved lashes.

The point of a game is having fun, not fellating YoshiP.

 

[Sunflower Samurai]

I'm trying to figure out if I'm more entertained by raidtroons pitching fits or the Pwecious UwU Commewnity stamping their feet and acting like even *thinking* about violating the sacred TOS profanes your permanent record and earns you fifty well-deserved lashes.

The point of a game is having fun, not fellating YoshiP.

im having a nice time laughing at both ngl, Twitter is a great site for documenting the absolute numpties who use the game as a substitute for irl

 

[Dave.]

Literally nothing the fuck has changed at all today then even 6 months ago, this shit didn't happen in ucob, uwu, or tea from what I recall at least not to this extent. Why the fuck does it happen with Dragonsong? Xeno has been through all of these races and no one did shit ever, now suddenly it "just makes sense" to target him when he's the same bald lumberjack sweat lord he's been since what Stormblood, or ARR/Heavensward if we ignore the bald part. I think Xeno got a ban once, but that was for actual harassment iirc.

The most you had was the dumb Arthas drama because he legit called someone out very directly on stream, which that at least falls under the "don't use ACT to harass people" silent rule we've had for multiple expansions in a row.

I think it mainly comes down to fairness. JP I believe has laws that forbid active modding of a game or console and moderation is more aggressive there as well. However, U.S gets a backseat in terms of moderation and WF raiders are allowed to frivolously "cheat" with little consequence so the JP is, in my honest opinion, kind of rightfully angry that N.A gets essentially an unfair advantage in a competitive raiding scene. As for why they care now, remember that the game on twitch is really starting to grow and competitive WF raiding is now starting to rear its head into the scene now that you got former wow players dipping their toes in. This is also because of an influx of player growth given another competitive raiding game WoW is starting to flounder. I don't remember ultimate bahamut being a thing back in 2017 or the Alexander raids savage content having such a heavy influx of viewers on Twitch. But maybe that's just short memory.

 

[Zeke Von Genbu]

I think it mainly comes down to fairness. JP I believe has laws that forbid active modding of a game or console and moderation is more aggressive there as well. However, U.S gets a backseat in terms of moderation and WF raiders are allowed to frivolously "cheat" with little consequence so the JP is, in my honest opinion, kind of rightfully angry that N.A gets essentially an unfair advantage in a competitive raiding scene. As for why they care now, remember that the game on twitch is really starting to grow and competitive WF raiding is now starting to rear its head into the scene now that you got former wow players dipping their toes in. This is also because of an influx of player growth given another competitive raiding game WoW is starting to flounder. I don't remember ultimate bahamut being a thing back in 2017 or the Alexander raids savage content having such a heavy influx of viewers on Twitch. But maybe that's just short memory.

Compared to what FFXIV was at the time ucob was a massive influx of interest as it an unusual layer of mystique to it and remember ucob took almost 2 weeks to clear. That is absolutely nuts for 1 whole fight that has no gear gating unlike say a4s or to a lesser extent a8s which took about the same amount of time as ucob. No one really cared about Alex Savage.

Ucob was kind of like what the WoW surge was like, relative to the numbers at the time back in 2017, as it was a weird event that had a massive uptick in interest that not even the typical patch day/msq cycles get. I'd say the WoW surge was bigger, obviously, but Ucob was BY far the biggest surge of stream watching as FFXIV streams fucking sucked without at least an expansion going on which is debatable as MSQ is so important for most people. Remember this was fucking 4.1, Shadowbringers hadn't even come out yet which is the expansion that really brought FFXIV into popularity again even before the WoW boats came out.

Competitive WF raiding has always been a thing of JP vs NA, it has nothing to do with WoW players especially in the JP scene, if anything it was bigger for JP when the whole race was JP Lucrezia (remember the "Ghosts of Lucrezia" WF'd Ucob which was quite literally the same team who WF Final Coil) vs NA Elysium. Now it is basically EU vs NA with sometimes JP doing something, as EU/NA seems to tryhard more or can afford to WF race easier due to work schedules as I know a handful of WF raiders do have some kind of job, they just get time off for a week or whatever to slam through Savage or ultimate.

As for JP legal stuff, I don't know how fully true that is and even if it was, why the fuck is Yoshi P talking (almost solely in Japanese most the time this comes up with no official live translation) talk as if ACT is fine if you're not a dick. It is 'technically' illegal, but they barely did fucking anything. This is why that makes no sense to me. If anything its more a social thing because JP social norms are different (for better and for worse depending on the situation) to not use it probably because its "rude" or "disrespectful" or whatever. I've seen mods made by japanese people in the past, so I don't know how much I believe that whole legality either.

 

[Fcret]

I've seen mods made by japanese people in the past, so I don't know how much I believe that whole legality either.

It's fairly recent Japanese legislation. As of like 2019, anything that can be construed as 'cheating' in a live service game carries a potential criminal penalty in Japan.

 

[Klokateer636]

I think the main problem is that not only are addons getting attention during WF, but also the fact that addons are now getting complex.

In the WF videos that were taken down, you can clearly see markers being out into place, showing people where they need to go. Last I heard, markers cannot be put into place during combat.

Now, apparently this was being done during a previous world first aswell, and it wasn't much liked at all because it trivializes the fight. This is why addons like that were pretty much hard banned.

Not to mention one of the WF videos has a DBM like addon screeching to move here and there and this coming in and bla bla bla.

I can imagine that it's a "straw that broke the camels back" situation here. Not only were this incredibly annoying addons used to clear an extremely hyped instance, but these kind of addons are bad for the game in general.

Look at WoW. The developers have repeatedly said in the past that addons have gotten so complex that they have to design their fights around them.

That is not good for the growth of any game. That ship has sailed when it comes to WoW, but FFXIV still has time to slap some people and show everyone else they're taking this seriously.

And now people act all shocked that, hey, these guys mean business! They told us not to show them off, they told us not to talk about them; so we decided to show them and talk about them in full view of a community driven event that could bring in more new players, and the devs are now the bad guys.

"Don't show, don't tell" really ain't that hard to fucking follow, and since people can't follow this basic god damn instruction, they get the ban hammer and I get to laugh.

 

[Disc]

But muh ucob

You literally didn't hear at all about the UCOB race outside of the FFXIV community at the time. That influx of interest was from internal players wanting to see the new difficulty. It's not really a good comparison point to the "our servers are literally full help" spam that the wowfugees brought in.

Moreover, WoW streamers have been used to addons for far longer than FFXIV's even had a community worth noting, and brought over their whole communities too. So you have a lot more people doing a lot more add-on-ing, a lot less subtly, with a much larger crowd of spectators-who-may-become-customers. Presenting a distorted version of the intended experience. No real surprise the hammer came down on them.

Call me when the Bard Music Player gets banned. Until then, this is a net positive for the game.

 

[CptnSnshn]

FF14 was designed for console plebs and since console plebs can't use addons, that's a good enough reason to not have them.

I...
I can't stop myself.
Console plebs for once I kneel.

 

[SleepyNibba]

The real problem is, that the community as a whole knew not to to show add-on's, it wasnt a problem then, its a problem now because all these sperg streamers who were chasing the asmond money train didnt know and made it a problem that SE couldnt ignore anymore.

Think about it, all these ex wow streamers came over and the first thing i see on their streams are add-ons on top of add-ons. It was only a matter of time.

 

[Klokateer636]

The real problem is, that the community as a whole knew not to to show add-on's, it wasnt a problem then, its a problem now because all these sperg streamers who were chasing the asmond money train didnt know and made it a problem that SE couldnt ignore anymore.

Think about it, all these ex wow streamers came over and the first thing i see on their streams are add-ons on top of add-ons. It was only a matter of time.

I'm in that general thought aswell.

Who got world first, and did they come over from WoW recently? Because if so, its entirely on them for not knowing the rules.

 

[John Titor]

The real problem is, that the community as a whole knew not to to show add-on's, it wasnt a problem then, its a problem now because all these sperg streamers who were chasing the asmond money train didnt know and made it a problem that SE couldnt ignore anymore.

Think about it, all these ex wow streamers came over and the first thing i see on their streams are add-ons on top of add-ons. It was only a matter of time.

Kind of ironic that Asmon himself didn't even use any kind of mods that I'm aware of.

 

[Klokateer636]

Kind of ironic that Asmon himself didn't even use any kind of mods that I'm aware of.

I doubt he did.

But if he did, he never mentioned it, and it never showed.

Edit: I didn't want to double post, so editing my last.

So Pyromancer has pulled his video off twitch from yesterday because alot of people are talking about his tard raging.

I just found out about this myself because I thought I'd go look at it out of curiosity. So over to YouTube I go.

Ginger Prime has a video up where he shows some clips from the stream, taking clips from a video uploaded by a third party.

Ginger Prime video: https://youtu.be/vvPd1xUtPvk

The video which was uploaded by the Funny Stuttering channel was copyright struck by Pyromancer.

Funny Stuttering video: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_bgf5WIRY7c&t=0s

The Funny Stuttering video displays a notification that it was copyright struck by Taylor Welsh (Pyromancer's name).

 

[SouthernBitchBob]

It's fairly recent Japanese legislation. As of like 2019, anything that can be construed as 'cheating' in a live service game carries a potential criminal penalty in Japan.

Imagine the 'tism required in a country to create a criminal offense out of cheating in a video game. It's enough to bring a tear to the eye. Grorious Nippon indeed.

 

[Smug Chuckler]

I doubt he did.

But if he did, he never mentioned it, and it never showed.

His take:

 

[Takodachi]

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