Final Fantasy XIV - Kiwi Free Company

My question to you is "what remaining territories?" We've effectively taken everything that isn't Ilsabard proper by this point in the story if we count side quests. Corvos is like a border state so I count it as part of Ilsabard, and iirc Thavnair is considered Southern Ilsabard, aka the none shit side unlike Northern Ilsabard

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So using this map as reference (Edit: KF hates FFXIV's weeb geography for some reason), the issue to a full Garlemald expansion (zone construction wise that is) is all that white cloud stuff in the Ilsabard area is effectively meant to be a brutal snow and ice wasteland, which makes for a very repetitive zone design as Garlemald's entire zone theme is a bitter land where only the strongest could survive as a bunch of poor cursed fucks who had to crawl into some semblance of power and stability by making their own merits without cheating with magic. The coldness further implies their sheer grit due to being able to survive in such a climate up to this point, which can explain why Garleans are tough ass bastards who can survive without full blown magic. Plus we already got Coerthas for the snow wasteland zone.

Bozja is iirc either just above or below Dalmasca and the Othard is already liberated so the eastern foothold (and half the reason the Popularis wanted to make peace with Doma is because Doma is critically close to Garlemald) is cleared, Ala Mhigo is liberated so that western front is already done. Corvos is near Thavnair which maybe you could push for about 2 zones with those areas + Garlemald proper, but you'd need some really weird excuse for why we can't just go through Othard or Ala Mhigo to justify going through Corvos because air ships are a thing.

This also presents the eventual question of how we introduce the Sharlayan isle later? This isn't the same as say Othard/"The East" which still has the entire Higashi isle to explore or even going through the great scar itself if you want to go that far. This isn't even touching Dalmasca or Bozja proper. Ala Mhigo is a bit harder to flesh into six zones, but you could probably have put Werlyt or some kind of border base that hints what the harsh difference between Aldernard and Northern Ilsabard to then hint at Garlemald later.

The six zones requirement quota I feel cucks a lot of potential ideas for expansions because you know, and I know, that everyone (including some of us probably) would at least somewhat complain about them skimping out on zone content if they said Garlemald expansion only had say 3-4 zones instead of 6, even if it does make sense for the story. People to this day still whine and complain that we don't get more dungeons, when dungeons fucking suck and do nothing, at least zones are fine locales to explore as back drops for the plot while dungeons suck literally after you do it for the first time in 20 minutes.
I'm pretty sure the clouds were supposed to be a "here be dragons" thing since lower Othard was also obscured until Ivalice dropped. Some potential other territories include Valnain in lower Othard (where the remnants of the IVth Legion fled), Landis (where Noah is from), Dalmasca and whatever bordered Ala Mhigo.
 
I'm pretty sure the clouds were supposed to be a "here be dragons" thing since lower Othard was also obscured until Ivalice dropped. Some potential other territories include Valnain in lower Othard (where the remnants of the IVth Legion fled), Landis (where Noah is from), Dalmasca and whatever bordered Ala Mhigo.
Valnain iirc is near Dalmasca (as that is where Gabranth went I believe before he 'died' according to his fieldnote) which the Bozja storyline ended that whole plot, Dalmasca is effectively concluded with Bozja and it is in the wrong direction (going through The Burn makes more sense via air if we want to reach Ilsabard via Othard), and Ala Mhigo was bordered to Garlemald/Northern Ilsabard in the same way the three Othard nations bordered around northern Ilsabard (I believe it goes Bozja > Doma > Dalmasca in terms of distance from the border). I don't recall where Landis was so I'll give you that one.

The problem with making zones within Othard in general now is that once we took Doma in the MSQ, did Ivalice and Bozja in side quests, and ignored Hingashi entirely save for Kugane we have no reason to explore the rest of Othard's region through making zones as zones are always tied to the MSQ somehow. This is why Stormblood cucked Othard, because we couldn't use the MSQ to explore Dalmasca and Bozja but we had to use these locales so they became side quests instead. We had effectively blown the Othard load back in 2017 and we have to just keep moving forward. What could have been an eastern liberation adventure romp became the "Let's just warp around two different sections of the world to fight two wars on one front because each war just pauses when the WoL isn't there" adventure.

I know the clouds are "here be dragons", but it occupies Northern Ilsabard (Like everywhere from Ala Mhigo to Coerthas to La Noscea is Aldernard) which is where all the snow and ice is, we just flew over most of it in Endwalker. They haven't updated this map to my knowledge since ShB so I'm using the clouds as a reference for where northern Ilsabard is.
 
Post-Stormblood dungeons/trials make me MATI with the 30 minute wait times, and then all you get are the weirdos with spammy 10-line macros that fire off each time they do something.
 
Here he is crying about the event quest. Takes him a second to fully get into it
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I watched a little bit of this highlight and initially thought "Seems like a really dumb thing to get upset over. XIV's done these multiple-choice question quests several times during Make It Rain by now. Why is this dude acting like he's still brand new to the game?"

Then I did the sidequest for myself last night and now I think he's exceptionally stupid. It's not even remotely a challenging quest from a problem-solving perspective, especially since it doesn't seem to have a "fail" state (unlike previous Make It Rain sidequests). Hell, I got the answers right the first time on 3/4 of the characters you talk to for the quest, and the first only took me a second guess on top of that. All it takes is having enough sense to figure out, from very blatant clues given in your exchanges with each NPC, what that particular NPC might find most appealing about the Gold Saucer.

Isn't Pyromancer the same guy who had his whole room decked out in WoW merch before he started XIV, then tossed it all out and replaced it with XIV merch when he jumped ship, and also the same guy who was taking literal handwritten notes on the story when he was progressing through the MSQ initially? How the fuck does an autist that invested in XIV have such a hard time with a quest full of the easiest context clues in the game?

Unrelated, but the new Hildibrand quest is painfully short, but worth the wait these last few years.
 
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Isn't Pyromancer the same guy who had his whole room decked out in WoW merch before he started XIV, then tossed it all out and replaced it with XIV merch when he jumped ship, and also the same guy who was taking literal handwritten notes on the story when he was progressing through the MSQ initially? How the fuck does an autist that invested in XIV miss a quest full of the easiest context clues in the game?
Yes, he dumped all his WoW merch in exchange for shiny and somewhat rare/expensive FFXIV tat, iirc he had a 1.0 collectors box which is worth a penny for an EN one, 80 bucks for a JPN one (on Ebay, atleast), several figurines too, iirc, plus some shitty posters and misc tat that could either be squenix store shit or etsy, couldnt tell ya which

This was before he finished HW, if my rough as shit autismo timeline is correct, i didnt watch him in the moments when he autismo-ed out hard, just picked up the pieces out of curiosity everytime someone posted him sperging here
 
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For a lore guy, he certainly doesn't engage with the lore. I heard he's only interested in the cosmic stuff.
 
Isn't Pyromancer the same guy who had his whole room decked out in WoW merch before he started XIV, then tossed it all out and replaced it with XIV merch when he jumped ship, and also the same guy who was taking literal handwritten notes on the story when he was progressing through the MSQ initially? How the fuck does an autist that invested in XIV have such a hard time with a quest full of the easiest context clues in the game?
He's also the same retard that missed blatantly obvious story cues regarding a character coming back from the dead and possessing a body and had a meltdown when his chat was genuinely confused he missed such an obvious story beat.

Yet he's hyperfocused on 'story', lol.

Unrelated to above, but somewhat in line with 'this game's fanbase are fucking idiots', here's a funny spergout. REEE don't use shorthand to describe a player race REEE they have breasts REEE

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(And yes, he is correct about the general background for Au Ra, but he said it in the most ridiculous fashion.)
 
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Unrelated to above, but somewhat in line with 'this game's fanbase are fucking idiots', here's a funny spergout. REEE don't use shorthand to describe a player race REEE they have breasts REEE

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(And yes, he is correct about the general background for Au Ra, but he said it in the most ridiculous fashion.)
"GUYS DON'T YOU DARE CALL AU RA LIZARDS, FICTIONAL SCORES OF PEOPLE WERE GENOCIDED IN A FICTIONAL SETTING OVER THIS, THIS IS LITERALLY THE SAME THING AS NATIVE AMERICANS AND IT'S REALLY DISRESPECTFUL!"

Imagine taking video games this seriously.
 
Yes, he dumped all his WoW merch in exchange for shiny and somewhat rare/expensive FFXIV tat, iirc he had a 1.0 collectors box which is worth a penny for an EN one, 80 bucks for a JPN one (on Ebay, atleast), several figurines too, iirc, plus some shitty posters and misc tat that could either be squenix store shit or etsy, couldnt tell ya which

This was before he finished HW, if my rough as shit autismo timeline is correct, i didnt watch him in the moments when he autismo-ed out hard, just picked up the pieces out of curiosity everytime someone posted him sperging here
The WoW crowd had 15 years to build up some sunk cost fallacy style thinking about the game (I've put in 15 years! The next patch/expansion will be good! Just hold on a bit longer!), but Pyro decided to speedrun it and end up there with XIV within only a few months. Fascinating stuff. Maybe the reason for some of his meltdowns too.
He's also the same retard that missed blatantly obvious story cues regarding a character coming back from the dead and possessing a body and had a meltdown when his chat was genuinely confused he missed such an obvious story beat.
One of the first moments after the first big meltdown about WoW where I realized something was up with him was when he got to the final trial of 3.0 and had to stop and argue with chat for 15 minutes before doing it because he couldn't understand how Thordan had become a primal. The chat kept telling him to think about Ysayle/Shiva and he literally yelled at them about how it didn't make any sense.

Also, piggybacking off Pyro being stupid, he falls into a trap that seems to me to be pretty widespread now where there's tons of people who just want backstory and lore and seem to care very little about the characters or plot. The more you can fill out a wiki on the game/book/tv series the better. Have a novel-length page on some random kingdom from 10,000 years ago that has barely anything to do with the plot? Great, much better than having compelling characters! But unless you're operating like Tolkein or some other great writer, backstory and deeper lore really should be at the service of character and plot. I think most writers get this on some level, but a lot of modern consumers see this as the best way to interact with a story/world rather than engaging with the themes of the story. I don't know that it's the entire reason, but I think this is partly due to Youtube video essay culture, where most people would rather watch/make "What You Missed in the Final Boss Fight (This Changes The Ancients FOREVER)" or "How This Rare Item From the Fourth Umbral Era Changes EVERYTHING" or "The Complete History of Allag (Updated for Endwalker)" than something that feels too much like English class.
 
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I don't know that it's the entire reason, but I think this is partly due to Youtube video essay culture, where most people would rather watch/make "What You Missed in the Final Boss Fight (This Changes The Ancients FOREVER)" or "How This Rare Item From the Fourth Umbral Era Changes EVERYTHING" or "The Complete History of Allag (Updated for Endwalker)" than something that feels too much like English class.
I think you can sorta blame Wikis/fansites as a precursor to video essays too, i think the habits of just mindlessly browsing a meaty wiki page written by a fuckton of autists in a basement instead of actually interacting with a piece of media in any way sorta was the precursor to that, imo
 
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(And yes, he is correct about the general background for Au Ra, but he said it in the most ridiculous fashion.)
They didn't crusade against the Au Ra the knights mistook a fleeing tribe of them crossing into their territory as an attack by weird dragonkin, so they attacked them and slaughtered them since the tribe was already in awful shape. Still a shitty thing and its one of the many things Ishgard did that was really awful during their war but to claim they launched crusades against random Au Ra is silly as hell.

Lore that ended up coming out later shows that Raen are far more common in other places so it may have been the fact that Xaela have dark scales that got them slaughtered. Nidhogg's brood are all exclusively dark scaled and they were the most aggressive attackers.

It's also a goddamn off-screen happening in a video game so it's retarded to start trying to compare it to actual wars of faith rather than a one off act of violence.
 
EDIT: Also, yeah, I really don't understand how someone who apparently 'loves' lore so much is so goddamned stupid when it comes to understanding narrative. Many such examples.

I think you can sorta blame Wikis/fansites as a precursor to video essays too, i think the habits of just mindlessly browsing a meaty wiki page written by a fuckton of autists in a basement instead of actually interacting with a piece of media in any way sorta was the precursor to that, imo
I blame Ed Greenwood, aka the dude who created the Forgotten Realms.

He basically pulled a Tolkien, in terms of creating a wholly fleshed out gameworld, but without any of the substance. It started as a series of articles for Dragon magazine, which harkens to the Wiki autism we're accustomed to these days.

You want not-Russia or not-England or not-Eskimos or not-Vikings or whatever, Greenwood's got ya covered.

You want interesting or engaging characters? Uhhh.....
 
He's also the same retard that missed blatantly obvious story cues regarding a character coming back from the dead and possessing a body and had a meltdown when his chat was genuinely confused he missed such an obvious story beat.

Yet he's hyperfocused on 'story', lol.
I remember really early on during Pyromancer's patch ARR adventure he thought Ultima Weapon was the same as Omega Weapon during the cutscene they bring it up in 2.2 or 2.3 I forget which, yes really he legit confused the two despite him blowing up Ultima Weapon at about 10 or so hours of game time ago, and when his chat corrected him he went "See I wrote down the scene it says 'similar power to Ultima' so it is Ultima Weapon, not Omega there is no Omega Weapon." (A little paraphrased, but the same idea). Boy I bet he felt like an exceptional dumbass in 3.55...

This fuckwad's note taking is so bad he legit confused himself on which hyper advanced war machine they were talking about, despite Ultima having been destroyed already but he wrote his notes so badly he thought Omega Weapon was named Ultima Weapon.

This is when I stopped watching him with any sense of seriousness, because he got extremely combative about this and he refused to be proven wrong on this. I wanted to give this guy a fair shake because while I think the note taking is a colossal waste of time (just screenshot the fucking scene ffs) for me, I find the care cute in a way and I like to believe in people's best intentions. But when you legit think Ultima Weapon is still out there by post patch ARR as a "lore scholar" and sperg out for 5 minutes over it until you ban people, you're just too much of a prick and are just plain stupid for me to care.

I also recall him getting confused by how the lore books are written, he wanted them to be like WoW's books where they're more like a story within FFXIV (similar to the lodestone short stories) and not effectively a tome of lore to tell you about...well lore.
 
I remember really early on during Pyromancer's patch ARR adventure he thought Ultima Weapon was the same as Omega Weapon during the cutscene they bring it up in 2.2 or 2.3 I forget which, yes really he legit confused the two despite him blowing up Ultima Weapon at about 10 or so hours of game time ago, and when his chat corrected him he went "See I wrote down the scene it says 'similar power to Ultima' so it is Ultima Weapon, not Omega there is no Omega Weapon." (A little paraphrased, but the same idea). Boy I bet he felt like an exceptional dumbass in 3.55...

This fuckwad's note taking is so bad he legit confused himself on which hyper advanced war machine they were talking about, despite Ultima having been destroyed already but he wrote his notes so badly he thought Omega Weapon was named Ultima Weapon.

This is when I stopped watching him with any sense of seriousness, because he got extremely combative about this and he refused to be proven wrong on this. I wanted to give this guy a fair shake because while I think the note taking is a colossal waste of time (just screenshot the fucking scene ffs) for me, I find the care cute. But when you legit think Ultima Weapon is still out there by post patch ARR and sperg out for 5 minutes over it until you ban people, you're just too stupid for me to care.
The note taking was entirely pointless as well. I don't remember a single moment where he needed to look up something in his notes to get the full picture. FF14 is not like WoW, they don't have side quests that provide pivotal information to the lore. There isn't a macguffin or character you would only know about if you did side quest #403 in the lvl 30 questing area before the quest was removed in the fourth expansion.
Rarely are ideas or characters brought back from non main quests storylines. Few I can remember is Estinien being upgraded from end boss of the Dragoon storyline to main quest relevant in Heavensward, and the Padjal A-Ruhn-Senna from the White mage storyline joining the Garlemald expedition where he becomes more accepting of the outside world
 
EDIT: Also, yeah, I really don't understand how someone who apparently 'loves' lore so much is so goddamned stupid when it comes to understanding narrative. Many such examples.
To go all college education course on this, I think it's a simple Bloom's Taxonomy issue, memorization vs. synthesis. I should probably say just for some context that lore is not inherently evil and I thought Elpis was pretty good right up until the last little bit when we get propelled back toward the main plot of EW.

Lore as we're using it comes down to memorizing facts about this fictional world's history and cultures. Lore at its best provides an interesting stage and context for the characters and plot that's going to take place. For example, Fandaniel starts to make sense once you know about the connection between him and Allag. The lore lets him have some motivation for his actions and causes the monologue where he reveals this to have some real weight, including what I think is some interesting commentary on modern society. Good stuff! And it can't exist without the lore about the world's history.

However, most of these lore guys treat it as a set of facts to be memorized, then treat the story as an equation where they can solve it if they find the right lore fact to plug in. If they just remembered enough facts, they could predict the story and unlock its secrets! But this isn't how it works. Good writers are good psychologists, so they create characters and can get into the characters' minds and think about how they would act in given situations and plot out a story from there. Good characters, like real people, are not a mere collection of facts, but lore guys treat it like they are.

If I want to explain why I think Emet, Hythlodaeus, Venat, and Hermes work well together and are interesting and why I find aspects of each appealing, I have to think critically about each one, including their mindset and context in the world. If I want to explain why I think that the end of Elpis isn't satisfying I still have to think critically and synthesize explanations from my understanding of the whole narrative and its structure. Lore guys don't do that, because you have to step beyond mere memorization and fact spewing. I don't know what you'd call the wild speculation these guys engage in. It's not rational half the time and is just throwing stuff at the wall.

All of this is probably overblown for a weeb MMO story, but I think it illustrates a problem with lore in fandoms, especially video game fandoms. Good writers are good psychologists, and use this to create interesting, three-dimensional characters. Good readers/players are thoughtful about what these characters are and how they make for a meaningful story, including what the writer is trying to communicate to us. So many lore "experts" just like being able to recite back plain and obvious events from the plot or background stuff from wikis. No wonder they like when stories reference past stories, it's a chance to point and show that you recognize the fact.
 
The note taking was entirely pointless as well. I don't remember a single moment where he needed to look up something in his notes to get the full picture. FF14 is not like WoW, they don't have side quests that provide pivotal information to the lore. There isn't a macguffin or character you would only know about if you did side quest #403 in the lvl 30 questing area before the quest was removed in the fourth expansion.
Rarely are ideas or characters brought back from non main quests storylines. Few I can remember is Estinien being upgraded from end boss of the Dragoon storyline to main quest relevant in Heavensward, and the Padjal A-Ruhn-Senna from the White mage storyline joining the Garlemald expedition where he becomes more accepting of the outside world
I'd say for the end of 5.0 to explain why the Crystal Exarch is around you'd want to know Alexander and Omega's story, as they provide pivotal rule explanation why he can exist due to interdimensional travel and time travel existing through these entities.

I'd also say the whole Dynamis stuff gets hinted at through various stories if you pay attention to what's going on in those stories which makes the whole narrative element look less like an ass pull and just a more typical anime power up moment elevated with in-universe codified logic even if it is a little vague still.

Their are times where side quests reference things in the MSQ, especially since ShB they've been doing this because I think they realize they have built all these interesting side stories that people like with little reveals and useful information, so why write something entirely new when you can bring those ideas more to the forefront and develop from there? I don't think this is a bad thing as it ensures they stay consistent to things they establish and it makes doing side quests feel more satisfying because these elements don't just solely stop existing after the side quest is over. I have literally 0 clue how WoW does this, but FFXIV side quests can matter and enhance the MSQ's elements as usually the MSQ steals from the side quests first at some point. The IVth legion for example could be part of the MSQ any day now if they want to and they're side quest only.

They didn't crusade against the Au Ra the knights mistook a fleeing tribe of them crossing into their territory as an attack by weird dragonkin, so they attacked them and slaughtered them since the tribe was already in awful shape. Still a shitty thing and its one of the many things Ishgard did that was really awful during their war but to claim they launched crusades against random Au Ra is silly as hell.

Lore that ended up coming out later shows that Raen are far more common in other places so it may have been the fact that Xaela have dark scales that got them slaughtered. Nidhogg's brood are all exclusively dark scaled and they were the most aggressive attackers.

It's also a goddamn off-screen happening in a video game so it's retarded to start trying to compare it to actual wars of faith rather than a one off act of violence.
I think the real reason Xaela are less common is due to location each tribe occupies and how it relates to the Garlean occupation. Remember Xaela pretty much only live in the Steppe which Garleans don't show up in very much (something to due with the climate and terrain not being favorable for their magitek and the Steppe isn't valuable grounds anyway). Raen live everywhere else in the Doma/Othard area and don't necessarily have much to tie them to Othard as a whole, except for Yugiri's water people, so naturally when the Garleans run your shit down, you got to get the fuck out or get captured. So Raen leaving Othard to Aldernard becomes far more common due to this factor.

Xaela are like the Viera, they occupy one random plot of land forever and unless you feel like going against cultural norms or you have some very unusual factors compel you to leave you're just going to stay in that one spot forever. Hrothgar by comparison, who live primarily in Bozja I believe which is in Othard, have the opposite problem where they have an extremely hard time leaving due to the geography working against them and how thorough the Garlean occupation was making it hard for them to simply leave their homeland.

Now why did Sidurgu's (Drk NPC that brings this up) people leave and go all the way to Coerthas? Well Xaela do slaughter each other a lot, their are mountains you can in-theory cross to dodge around Doma, and perhaps they just had to escaped away from the Steppe (they showed mercy to Ishgardian soldiers before being slaughtered, which is not very Steppe Warrior like), or this was really early in the Garlean campagin and they were unfortunately one of the first tribes to meet them so they had to flee around their occupation so going to Hingashi to boat to La Noscea is impossible. They likely went a path such as: Azem Steppe > The Burn > Edge of Northern Ilsabard > Outskirts of Ala Mhigo > to Coerthas.

Doma was occupied at least 5 years before Ala Mhigo if I recall, I know they say it has been at least 20 years due to Hien's age and Ala Mhigo was taken 15 years before I believe, so it is possible to cut through Ala Mhigo to reach Coerthas in that span of time despite crossing Northern Ilsabard. So it is possible Sidurgu's tribe was both extremely unlucky and too kind, which is what drives Sidurgu to become an edge lord.
 
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I think the real reason Xaela are less common is due to location each tribe occupies and how it relates to the Garlean occupation.
Yep. Xaela at no point turned into a diaspora in their history like the Raen did after the (alleged) war between their gods. So now you see Raen in many, many places because the many tribes settled all over. I do find it funny that the Xaela never conquered nearby regions since that's a common route many steppe peoples turned to in their history. They're instead very insular and divided.
 
Yep. Xaela at no point turned into a diaspora in their history like the Raen did after the (alleged) war between their gods. So now you see Raen in many, many places because the many tribes settled all over. I do find it funny that the Xaela never conquered nearby regions since that's a common route many steppe peoples turned to in their history. They're instead very insular and divided.
Xaela have religious components where their land is considered sacred and thus only care about it, everywhere else is irrelevant to them which is a nice way to make them stand out and not just purely be barbarians. It is why I liked the Xaela tribes and they're my highlight in 4.0, yeah they're quirky and weird (like the people who marry their horse), but the main ones we meet just feel like weird alternates of religious people you'd meet anywhere else as opposed to being entirely backwards barbarians. Plus I find it cute how they effectively came to different conclusions with similar things in other cultures Like Azeyma = Azim, and Azim is male while Azeyma is female, or Sadu's people know the whole aetherial sea reincarnation process, but they're taken it in an entirely different direction where it is literal reincarnation.

Oronir also being the "dad's favorite children" also likely creates a lot of divide due to their whole internal logic that they are meant to effectively be the firm guiding father figure to all of the Steppe in place of Azim, and due to just how Xaela are raised, thus justifies violence and kidnapping to keep them in line. As even sweet uwu cinnamon rolls like Cirina are more capable of violence and are more battle ready then many 'innocent maidens' from other nations are, which is really funny to consider how the fanbase usually treats Cirina.
 
He's also the same retard that missed blatantly obvious story cues regarding a character coming back from the dead and possessing a body and had a meltdown when his chat was genuinely confused he missed such an obvious story beat.

Yet he's hyperfocused on 'story', lol.

Unrelated to above, but somewhat in line with 'this game's fanbase are fucking idiots', here's a funny spergout. REEE don't use shorthand to describe a player race REEE they have breasts REEE

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(And yes, he is correct about the general background for Au Ra, but he said it in the most ridiculous fashion.)
I think this person's more talking about the misappropriation of the species towards reptiles which lore wise they aren't and they aren't dragonkin either rather they are their own race. And the native american to indian part might be referring to how native american's sometimes get misappropriated with the nationality of India sometimes. I personally am willing to play devil's advocate with my interpretation of this post and possibly say I agree, but you could be right and this is all about a harmless "lol lizert" short hand bitching. But I'm not getting those vibes.
 
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