Final Fantasy XIV - Kiwi Free Company

Lyse sounds great in summary but then we got a whining woman-child who would rather sulk and mope for the better part of an expansion instead working to get over it, I also don't see what qualifications she has to be the face of the resistance other than "because plot" and "because dad/sister", she just gets shoved in there by the plot and hardly earns it.
The funny thing is how Raubahn gets shoved into being the face of the Ala Mhiggers post-SB anyway. Almost every quest that is Ala Mhigger related (Weapons, EW role quests, assorted little other MSQ related things) has him as the designated Ala Mhigger rep, and not Lyse.
 
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@Spilled Spaghett isn’t it explained in a post-heavensward patch when Ardbert and the other wol visit the source that when they defeated the shadowlord and got rid of the darkness, their world was flooded by light? Because I remember the game explaining it that early on.
 
@Spilled Spaghett isn’t it explained in a post-heavensward patch when Ardbert and the other wol visit the source that when they defeated the shadowlord and got rid of the darkness, their world was flooded by light? Because I remember the game explaining it that early on.
Correct, it's also part of the Eden storyline, since that is where the flood originated.
 
There was also a cutscene post 2.0 where the Ascians were having a kingdom hearts style spooky cloak meeting where they were dunking on the Ascian that fucked up the 13th world, creating the void.
 
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Is it weird that i would like to have a kingdom hearts cross over with ff14?
No that would be pretty fitting considering it 's already a game that sometimes crosses over with Final Fantasy. GNB already does the weapon over the shoulder pose that Sora likes to do. A keyblade for GNB would work perfectly. I just need a new jacket with twice the zippers.
 
Is it weird that i would like to have a kingdom hearts cross over with ff14?
Nomura definitely wants to do this. He went all in on the Eden raids. I'd imagine the biggest roadblock is Disney.
 
Saw there was story discussion so I wanted to throw in my 2c.

1. No matter how much I try I can't bring myself to like ARR. It's the opposite of WoW for me where the macro is interesting but the micro is pointless fluff. Like, "go on a goose chase to get wines for this guy", really? Can't excuse this for world-building when Limsans being alcohol enjoyers never really becomes relevant at all. Also, I hate Sylphs.

2. The more I look back at it the more I accept that HW was great after all. The Void Ark ARs are pretty swell too. Even the Job storylines were good, and I don't mean just DRK - AST and MCH also had solid, unique premises.

3. Stormblood is awesome, but the tonal shift could have been done better between Ala Mhigo and the Far East. Also the latter just feels underwhelming? Yanxia(?) was half sea and half scrubland, it looked like they blew their load designing Kugane. SB also has IMO the better post-main story patches, even if needing to bring back a character from literal death is what had to be done.

4. Shadowbringers while good I feel is the perfect sequel to Endwalker and all the problems it would have - disturbing villains great on their own but being propped up by Ass Shins, annoying "morally grey" bad guy plot points (I'm sorry, I just can't sympathise with Emet Selch, his nostalgia is warranted but wanting to kill everyone for essentially a tantrum?), needing to create extremely dramatic moments with the Scions only for them to close anticlimactically, G'raha Tia taking a very hard turn in personality (even if compared to ARR), side characters that won't ever be relevant (we saw more of Fordola than we will of most at the Source outside of their expansion), the weird Y'shtola-Runar 'ship...
 
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side from that though I never understood why people hated it. The geopolitical stuff, and going back between Doma and Ala Mhigo I never thought was an issue. They were clearly segmented into different acts so you weren't juggling them. You can give me all the trash cans you want but I actually like Lyse as a character. I think it's interesting to have a character who is trying to deal with grief and her own feelings of inadequacy by trying to take on an alternate persona. When faced with overwhelming pressure she has to learn to grow past those feelings and rediscover what it means to be herself. She's uncertain, and clearly struggling but she is clearly more capabale than she believes and learns that she doesn't have to carry her burdens alone. If that's not good characterization I don't know what the fuck you people want.

There's some interesting shit with Lyse and Hien and how they're sort of mirror images of each other -- Lyse is the leader who 'wants' to do the right thing but feels that she lacks whatever quality it is, whereas Hien doesn't think that he's worthy of the role and wants nothing to do with it. There's lots of mirrored relationships throughout Stormblood (the most notable being WoL/Zenos) and it's an interesting look at duality and I think has some really strong-for-a-video-game writing.

That said, Lyse is just boring and she was the goofy comedic sidekick who did very little up until the grand reveal that, gasp, she isn't Yda, but Yda's sister (that everyone knew about except the WoL, I guess.)

There's no real attachment or caring about her shit. Compared to Hien, who we get quite a bit of exposition and buildup for him before we actually see him, and who is, you know, competent. Lyse may as well have just been a brand new character airdropped in at the start of the expansion and literally nothing would've changed aside from "This one's for you, Papa Shango."

It's why I feel Raubahn would've been a better overall choice for the Ala Mhigo NPC protagonist, because there is that attachment and connection there that isn't really there with Lyse.

Lyse prolly would've worked if Ala Mhigo was a full fledged expansion (and Doma was a full fledged expansion vs jamming that story into one expansion) and had Raubahn as someone to bounce off of. I just don't think she works particularly well in the story as-is because it's such a weird tonal shift for her character.

Imagine if it was revealed in Endwalker that the Ishgard dandy character was meant to be the savior of everything and we had to go through the entire expansion having him pontificate on how he's not cut out for this, you guys. Same shit.

Shadowbringer does not deserve the praise it gets. Character motivations are all over the fucking place and totally nonsenseical. It's so heavy on plot armor to make things happen, or poorly retconning the story to try and force this new plot to fit. The flood of light is such a poorly explained concept and doesn't really answer wtf happened to the world. No one explains why all the races have different names, they just expect you to already know how the world and it's culture work before the story even starts. They don't even mention that the world is in perpetual daytime until everyone freaks out over seeing stars again. Rather than feeling lost in a new world it was like reading a story with every other page ripped out. And yet that's what the community holds as the gold standard for story telling. If the community thinks that literal trash is good story telling I can see why they hated Stormblood.

I agree that a lot of Shadowbringers is shit but many of the details you say aren't explained actually are (as many people have pointed out ualready.)

And some of the stuff you say is bad is actually pretty good storytelling -- the things like race names being different is meant to give that feeling you're in a strange fucking place where things are different and it gives that alien feel. You're (the generic 'you', not you specifically) either a special kind of retard if you need someone to hold your hand and explain that the catgirls are the same, but, frankly, that is the XIV general audience.

But yeah, there's a lot of problems, a lot of the 'twists' you could see coming a mile away. There are some really strong moments in there, though, and it does a good job of tackling the question of 'what makes a hero?' or 'what does it mean to do the right thing?' It's nothing revolutionary, but it's fucking groundbreaking for a JRPG or MMO to even really be addressing that stuff (although, yes, it does get bogged down with genre cliches.)

There's some fun/interesting stuff in all the expansions, IMO, but it's as someone else said earlier in the thread, people hold this game's narrative up like it's the second coming of Lord of the Rings or something and it's....really not.
 
1. No matter how much I try I can't bring myself to like ARR. It's the opposite of WoW for me where the macro is interesting but the micro is pointless fluff. Like, "go on a goose chase to get wines for this guy", really? Can't excuse this for world-building when Limsans being alcohol enjoyers never really becomes relevant at all. Also, I hate Sylphs.

ARR really suffers because of it's short turn around time, what should have just stayed little side quests were instead jammed into the main story to both pad for time and to prevent huge XP gulfs from forming where players would be forced to run the same shitty dungeons over and over.
 
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Is it weird that i would like to have a kingdom hearts cross over with ff14?
I believe the one time they were asked about this they got a little pissed and said "dont ask" I dont see it as impossible but the licensing issues are a hurtle to navigate. More likely to get something FF7 related like clouds KH outfit then anything else.
Moogle is infested with Frenchies
I dont know wtf everyone's problem is with them or moogle but I had nothing but a good time over there. Unless something recent sprang up I can count on one hand the amount of trouble I had.

You guys make the american servers sound like sodom and gomorrah, well guess what? We dont have that shit. We got decency and well manners on the table. Admittedly I had English filters on, but there's still a very decent amount of british people who balance out the experience.

I found the biggest brit club, reaped the benefits, and enjoyed the story. What more could you ask for?
 
I believe the one time they were asked about this they got a little pissed and said "dont ask" I dont see it as impossible but the licensing issues are a hurtle to navigate. More likely to get something FF7 related like clouds KH outfit then anything else.

I dont know wtf everyone's problem is with them or moogle but I had nothing but a good time over there. Unless something recent sprang up I can count on one hand the amount of trouble I had.

You guys make the american servers sound like sodom and gomorrah, well guess what? We dont have that shit. We got decency and well manners on the table. Admittedly I had English filters on, but there's still a very decent amount of british people who balance out the experience.

I found the biggest brit club, reaped the benefits, and enjoyed the story. What more could you ask for?
>Guys whats the problem?
>The French


Kinda of a no brainer there.
 
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I dont know wtf everyone's problem is with them or moogle but I had nothing but a good time over there. Unless something recent sprang up I can count on one hand the amount of trouble I had.

You guys make the american servers sound like sodom and gomorrah, well guess what? We dont have that shit. We got decency and well manners on the table. Admittedly I had English filters on, but there's still a very decent amount of british people who balance out the experience.

I found the biggest brit club, reaped the benefits, and enjoyed the story. What more could you ask for?
Ive been on the server for at least 3 fucking years and I never had a problem. Never
Are you French or perhaps French Canadian?
 
No that would be pretty fitting considering it 's already a game that sometimes crosses over with Final Fantasy. GNB already does the weapon over the shoulder pose that Sora likes to do. A keyblade for GNB would work perfectly. I just need a new jacket with twice the zippers.
Considering FFXIV not only crossed over with FFXV, but the crossover is canon, this wouldn’t be very surprising.
 
Considering FFXIV not only crossed over with FFXV, but the crossover is canon, this wouldn’t be very surprising.
Yoshida's rule of thumb is that if XIV has a crossover, it's to be canon to both games. So if XIV would have a KH crossover, it would have to be a canon event in KH as well.
 
There's some fun/interesting stuff in all the expansions, IMO, but it's as someone else said earlier in the thread, people hold this game's narrative up like it's the second coming of Lord of the Rings or something and it's....really not.
imo it's mostly meant as a comparison, especially when you compare it to the biggest competitor, who by now routinely smears shit over itself, it's lore, it's characters and story.
outside of that you still get some depth, characters who are actually pretty (and feminine), twists and arcs which are rewarding. there's a reasons companies are plundering their old IPs for remakes since modern western writers and designers are fucking inept.
 
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Honestly the biggest hill I'll die on is that people put too much focus on the narrative to the point that an expansion can be considered "bad" solely because the narrative underdelivered, which is kinda silly when the content I'm gonna be rerunning for tomes isn't a story cutscene.

Case in point: Stormblood.

Trial and dungeon design is so much better when you compare, say, Heavensward and Stormblood trials/dungeons (pre-rework Heavensward specifically). Lakshmi isn't a great fight but nothing is as bad as Bismarck. Raid series was much better (Alexander has a tendency to have great fights, followed by shit fights like "lol we didn't make a boss here's a bunch of adds"), trial series is slightly better, Savage was much better designed (and the first ever door boss!), the first two ultimates were added (UCOB is still loads of fun too), and Eureka might not be everyone's cup of tea but compared to the launch of Diadem it was such an improvement, and a new deep dungeon. They also got much better with actually using aetherytes properly (2-3 per zone, try to put em somewhere useful).

Stormblood honestly gets way too much hate for just having a weak story considering how much it added in, cleaned stuff up, and just made the game feel a lot better. You don't see anything like Cape Westwind, Steps of Faith, Bismarck, Moggle Mog, That one dungeon where the dragon heals if he's stood in his own vomit that sprouts always forget, or the snowcloak mechanic with the old snowball mechanic where nobody ever remembered what to do.

I'd argue that if we take out the story component and focus solely on quality and game experience at the time. Heavensward to Stormblood is probably the biggest jump in quality at any point in the game's lifetime.
 
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Yoshida's rule of thumb is that if XIV has a crossover, it's to be canon to both games. So if XIV would have a KH crossover, it would have to be a canon event in KH as well.
I dont see sora ever showing up. Personally I would love it more if a side character like riku or xehanort just showed up to dick around for a bit.
 
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