Dramacow FineBros - Copyrighting React Videos Controversy, the Ongoing Shitstorm, Sadly Increasing Subs

Remember a time when people would post videos to YouTube to share with others, not for money, but because they felt they had something interesting/funny/informative/entertaining to share with the world and then went on with their day, not making a living off of it? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
 
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Gato da Vida said:
I've noticed a few people in the thread assuming that the drama is over. And while it is true that the rate of losing subscribers has slowed, I believe we haven't even hit the peak yet. Why?

This isn't even about the fine bros. I don't think it ever really was.

This is about Youtube as whole. People are angry at youtube, and the fine bros just happened to be caught doing the way wrong thing at the worst time possible.

Let's look at what has happened on Youtube lately. IHE's channel (and other channels) have been removed. Nostalgia Critic recently came out with the news that his videos lost monetization with no explanation of why, and he asked Youtube to clarify this occurrence for 3 whole weeks without any word in response. And, to top things off, smaller fish in the youtube sea - who might have otherwise stayed silent - have since piped up about how they've been screwed by Youtube's shady handling of flagging, copyright, etc.

Abuses of these systems are nothing new, but tensions around this issue have come to a boil within the past week or so.

Only amplifying the anger is the fact that you can't fight Youtube. They have a monopoly on online video services, so no matter how many IHE or Nostalgia Critic-sized channels make a stink about these shady polices, the company really has no reason to do anything. They have nothing to lose.

It is in this sort of environment that the Fine Bros, with seemingly no amount of savvy or awareness of these tensions, have basically announced that they have found innovative and world-changing ways to abuse Youtube's copyright system. And now, as a result, we have the easiest target in the world. It takes about 2 seconds to dislike, unsubscribe, and hurt the Fine Bros channel - protesting Youtube's practices by proxy - and no one can do shit to stop this. There aren't even any loyal fans who might sway opinion or rally a defense. Literally no one will save the Fine Bros from an angry mob that has just been waiting for something tangible to fight.

Yes, things are slowing down now. However, I suspect that IHE and other medium-to-large channels will start uploading responses to and analyses of this situation within the next few days, which will only raise awareness and incite more anger. And god help them if a huge youtuber like Pewdiepie says something.

Either way, this is just the beginning. So grab the popcorn.

TL;DR Youtube has been fucking things up for awhile, and no one can stop that, so the Fine Bros and their abuse of Youtube's system have become the target of people's rage instead.

Or of course there's an alternate explanation...

Jesus is once again punishing some Jews for killing him.
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This is an excellent point. The Fine Bros aren't even really the problem; it's YouTube's unbelievably broken copyright system and the large companies that take advantage of it.

Like you mentioned, some videos- and sometimes even entire channels (such as IHateEverything)- are yanked for literally no reason and the only times they're reinstated is if a Youtuber has enough fans to make a fuss about it. A popular YouTuber, Ethan Klein (also known as h3h3Productions), recently ran into some trouble regarding """copyright violation""" (it was clearly a case of fair use, like nearly all fraudulent copyright claims are) and discusses his experience in much better detail than I can go into.

This video explains what happened:


And this video goes into how severe the problem itself is. Ethan talks about something really interesting in this one, namely the role of YouTube networks. Ethan explains how, instead of going to bat for his channel, his own network actually pressured him to delete the first video I linked that calls out how large companies censor and defraud YouTubers and get away with it. Ethan accurately points out that this is because most if not all of the large companies/networks on YouTube are engaging in the same scam and cover for each other.


Another YouTuber I really like, YourMovieSucks (he's the guy who made the awesome Cool Cat Saves the Kids review), posted this in the comments, which explains the issue perfectly:

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Honestly, the only way YouTube will ever change its system is if they get slapped with a lawsuit created by all of the creators they've fucked over. YouTube has a monopoly on video sharing; there is no other website that comes even close to YouTube. Because they have no competition, they don't have to worry about content creators getting fed up and migrating to another website. So they allow companies- and larger YouTube channels such as the Fine Bros who have actually become a company- to flagrantly abuse their broken system.
 
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Gato da Vida said:
I've noticed a few people in the thread assuming that the drama is over. And while it is true that the rate of losing subscribers has slowed, I believe we haven't even hit the peak yet. Why?

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It is in this sort of environment that the Fine Bros, with seemingly no amount of savvy or awareness of these tensions, have basically announced that they have found innovative and world-changing ways to abuse Youtube's copyright system. And now, as a result, we have the easiest target in the world. It takes about 2 seconds to dislike, unsubscribe, and hurt the Fine Bros channel - protesting Youtube's practices by proxy - and no one can do shit to stop this. There aren't even any loyal fans who might sway opinion or rally a defense. Literally no one will save the Fine Bros from an angry mob that has just been waiting for something tangible to fight.
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Ya gotta love the perfect synthesis of arrogance and cluelessness implied by the gusto with which they announced their "innovation."
Wow.....That IS an Innovation. Just like making AIDS into an airborne pathogen would be an "innovation".

Gato da Vida said:
Yes, things are slowing down now. However, I suspect that IHE and other medium-to-large channels will start uploading responses to and analyses of this situation within the next few days, which will only raise awareness and incite more anger. And god help them if a huge youtuber like Pewdiepie says something.

Either way, this is just the beginning. So grab the popcorn.
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Soooo, in other words: The Ride Never Ends?

Gato da Vida said:
TL;DR Youtube has been fucking things up for awhile, and no one can stop that, so the Fine Bros and their abuse of Youtube's system have become the target of people's rage instead.
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As someone who survived numerous false flags/false DMCAs from VenomfangX, Brett Keane, JDubs and a few other butthurt ePeens (as well as spastically arbitrary "content ID" flags from Viacom and Sony) I know first-hand of which you speak. I've even gotten eThreats in my PM folder where a False DMCA'er actually said "If you don't remove your video I will false DMCA you, and if you counterclaim, I will drop your docs."
He actually said, out loud, in print, that he knew it was false, but he was going to abuse the system anyway. (Because it was the only thing that made his tiny, little peepee feel big.)
That said, it was the imperious imposition of the Google+ Integration that finally made me throw up my hands and quit YouTube. That was the final straw.

Gato da Vida said:
Or of course there's an alternate explanation...

Jesus is once again punishing some Jews for killing him.
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Side note: Da Jewz wuz framed. The Romans killed Jesus, and then built the Roman Catholic Church on his bones.
Its actually Buddha that punishing the FineBros. They are such clueless asshats even Buddha is pissed at them.

GREEDY FIREMAN said:
So they're the Zoe Quinn of YouTube-Gate?
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If you mean they are like an irrelevant whore with delusions of competence whose greedy, selfish fuckery caused a drama shitstorm....then, yeah, The Fine Bros are like Zoe Quinn.
 
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Cosmos said:
This is an excellent point. The Fine Bros aren't even really the problem; it's YouTube's unbelievably broken copyright system and the large companies that take advantage of it.

Like you mentioned, some videos- and sometimes even entire channels (such as IHateEverything)- are yanked for literally no reason and the only times they're reinstated is if a Youtuber has enough fans to make a fuss about it. A popular YouTuber, Ethan Klein (also known as h3h3Productions), recently ran into some trouble regarding """copyright violation""" (it was clearly a case of fair use, like nearly all fraudulent copyright claims are) and discusses his experience in much better detail than I can go into.

This video explains what happened:


And this video goes into how severe the problem itself is. Ethan talks about something really interesting in this one, namely the role of YouTube networks. Ethan explains how, instead of going to bat for his channel, his own network actually pressured him to delete the first video I linked that calls out how large companies censor and defraud YouTubers and get away with it. Ethan accurately points out that this is because most if not all of the large companies/networks on YouTube are engaging in the same scam and cover for each other.


Another YouTuber I really like, YourMovieSucks (he's the guy who made the awesome Cool Cat Saves the Kids review), posted this in the comments, which explains the issue perfectly:

6PzMn5B.jpg


Honestly, the only way YouTube will ever change its system is if they get slapped with a lawsuit created by all of the creators they've fucked over. YouTube has a monopoly on video sharing; there is no other website that comes even close to YouTube. Because they have no competition, they don't have to worry about content creators getting fed up and migrating to another website. So they allow companies- and larger YouTube channels such as the Fine Bros who have actually become a company- to flagrantly abuse their broken system.
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And that's the thing, no one's willing to go up against the giant because we all know what the outcome will be- YouTube will win, sue the people they're fighting against for everything they got and that means said users are pretty much screwed in every way. That is monetarily, mentally, maybe even physically in some extreme cases. And the reason why people are going after Fine Bros. is that they're the best known users of the YT community, and this can be considered a huge stab in the back to all of them. The sadder thing is, I don't think that these policies would have changed even if Google didn't buy them out. It's part of the reason why, despite having my own account, I never really upload anything. I'm not taking that risk.

Though this gets me a-thinking, what would happen if they think YouTube's a legit legal threat and tries to sue them and Google?
 
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Before this bullshit, if you didn't follow Internet drama to some extent, you would probably be like "Fine Bros. who?" even if you were one of their millions of subscribers. Maybe if someone said "you know those Kids React guys" you might say "oh." They're the kind of shit subscribed to by people who click subscribe on anything that they find mildly amusing for a minute.

Now they're "those fuckers." You don't really get that taint off a brand.
 
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Jewelsmakerguy said:
And that's the thing, no one's willing to go up against the giant because we all know what the outcome will be- YouTube will win, sue the people they're fighting against for everything they got and that means said users are pretty much screwed in every way. That is monetarily, mentally, maybe even physically in some extreme cases. And the reason why people are going after Fine Bros. is that they're the best known users of the YT community, and this can be considered a huge stab in the back to all of them. The sadder thing is, I don't think that these policies would have changed even if Google didn't buy them out. It's part of the reason why, despite having my own account, I never really upload anything. I'm not taking that risk.

Though this gets me a-thinking, what would happen if they think YouTube's a legit legal threat and tries to sue them and Google?
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And again, this is because YouTube's monopoly on video sharing is like the NFL's monopoly on football. There is literally no alternative so content creators have no choice but to suck it up. Because of this, YouTube can fuck over its uses however it wants because there's no threat of them leaving and giving their business to a rival website.

Honestly, if copyright claim cases actually went to court, the companies would be laughed at because h3h3/IHateEverything/YMS's videos are a textbook example of fair use. Nobody is watching their videos for the copyrighted content, we're watching for the funny, original commentary.
 
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Ry-Guy said:
Remember a time when people would post videos to YouTube to share with others, not for money, but because they felt they had something interesting/funny/informative/entertaining to share with the world and then went on with their day, not making a living off of it? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
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I remember
i called that 2005-2007 ish
it was a beautiful time.
 
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Here's two thoughts:
1) The FineBros love to take viral videos (like "What Does the Fox Say" or "Gangnam Style") as grist for their videos....without asking the original content creators permission (or paying them royalties or "licensing fees"); so whats to stop those Original Content Creators like Ylvis or PSY from hitting them with a "legit" DMCA takedown?
2) Although me-from-the-past would appalled to hear me-in-the-present saying this....but I suspect the only way to make the DMCA abuse problem go away is if everyone were to abuse to the point where it breaks; and hit where it would have a noticeable effect. If I had 25-hours a day to spend and a million throwaway email accounts, I'd build several dozen YouTube accounts and DMCA the fuck out of YouTube.....but focus my ire on
  • Any video by any american politician, paying extra attention on those who voted the DMCA into law.
  • Every music video by an artist on SonyBMG or Universal, who really pushed for DMCA in the first place.
  • Every video within sniffing distance of anything by Disney...another big DMCA cheerleader back in the day.

and finally
  • Every single video that the FineBros had even a tangential connection to.

Since the entire system is brainlessly automated, enough content would disappear to actually cut into YouTubes bottom line; and those victims directly effected by my JDubs on crack rampage would be those who allowed this revolting system to be implemented in the first place. At the very least, they'd have to hire some staff to filter out DMCA's in the future.

Okay, I know this is all pie-in-the-sky wish-upon-a-star fantasy-land never-gonna-happen nonsense. Hit me with your "Optimistic" markers.
 
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LordCustos3 said:
Here's two thoughts:
1) The FineBros love to take viral videos (like "What Does the Fox Say" or "Gangnam Style") as grist for their videos....without asking the original content creators permission (or paying them royalties or "licensing fees"); so whats to stop those Original Content Creators like Ylvis or PSY from hitting them with a "legit" DMCA takedown?
2) Although me-from-the-past would appalled to hear me-in-the-present saying this....but I suspect the only way to make the DMCA abuse problem go away is if everyone were to abuse to the point where it breaks; and hit where it would have a noticeable effect. If I had 25-hours a day to spend and a million throwaway email accounts, I'd build several dozen YouTube accounts and DMCA the fuck out of YouTube.....but focus my ire on
  • Any video by any american politician, paying extra attention on those who voted the DMCA into law.
  • Every music video by an artist on SonyBMG or Universal, who really pushed for DMCA in the first place.
  • Every video within sniffing distance of anything by Disney...another big DMCA cheerleader back in the day.

and finally
  • Every single video that the FineBros had even a tangential connection to.

Since the entire system is brainlessly automated, enough content would disappear to actually cut into YouTubes bottom line; and those victims directly effected by my JDubs on crack rampage would be those who allowed this revolting system to be implemented in the first place. At the very least, they'd have to hire some staff to filter out DMCA's in the future.

Okay, I know this is all pie-in-the-sky wish-upon-a-star fantasy-land never-gonna-happen nonsense. Hit me with your "Optimistic" markers.
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You could always, you know, drop this strategy on Wizardchan or someplace where people take the internet seriously and have no life... :ween:
 
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