Firearms Training and Practice - Focusing on skills, not gear.

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Boney said:
Mantis system. Anyways, Robby R., you need to rethink this whole owning a gun thing.

>t. answering before checking if gimmick account.
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Pointing is a better then aiming, with a pistol. Max pistol confrontation is 30 yards. Most pistols confrontations are 10 yards or less. I can hit 4 inch target at 15 yards, if I practice constantly. If I practice once a day, I feel I can keep a 4 inch grouping to at least 15 yards maybe 20 yards? A man with a knife can stab you from 10 yards between 1.5 and 2.8 seconds. I don't think most people have the time to draw and aim a pistol in that time frame, but most can draw, and point a pistol, if, they know how, in that time frame.
 
Robbyretard said:
Pointing is a better then aiming, with a pistol. Max pistol confrontation is 30 yards. Most pistols confrontations are 10 yards or less. I can hit 4 inch target at 15 yards, if I practice constantly. If I practice once a day, I feel I can keep a 4 inch grouping to at least 15 yards maybe 20 yards? A man with a knife can stab you from 10 yards between 1.5 and 2.8 seconds. I don't think most people have the time to draw and aim a pistol in that time frame, but most can draw, and point a pistol, if, they know how, in that time frame.
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Every sentence of that reply is wrong. Except, possibly, and under the right circumstances, the stabbing thing. You need to not fucking preach on a subject you clearly have no fucking ass from hat of a god damn idea of what you are talking about. Sit down, shut up, and maybe ask some questions.
 
Robbyretard said:
Pointing is a better then aiming, with a pistol. Max pistol confrontation is 30 yards. Most pistols confrontations are 10 yards or less. I can hit 4 inch target at 15 yards, if I practice constantly. If I practice once a day, I feel I can keep a 4 inch grouping to at least 15 yards maybe 20 yards? A man with a knife can stab you from 10 yards between 1.5 and 2.8 seconds. I don't think most people have the time to draw and aim a pistol in that time frame, but most can draw, and point a pistol, if, they know how, in that time frame.
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competition retardation and its consequences have been a disaster for common sense

You get better at point shooting by aiming. Fundamentally everything you are doing is the same.
 
There are elements in his thinking that are right even if he is a little upside down. If your draw to first shot is like 1.5 seconds, even a fat old guy running at you with a knife can close a pretty decent gap. If you're waiting in your draw stroke until you have your sights totally lined up you're wasting time at that range. You could have shot 2 or 3 times already, which is important because your first round hitting doesn't automatically mean your attacker is going to immediately stop, which means he probably has even more time to close in and stab you.

However @888Flux is correct in saying that point shooting is improved by your aiming and fundamentals. You can aim with your eyes closed if you're that dead on with your draw. Deliberately practicing your ability to aim without aiming is important for civilians.

The obvious problem is that you better be really fucking certain that your backstop isn't some other innocent person before you start slanging lead without aiming while on someones RING doorbell.
 
I have a question? at what range is a pistol better then a shotgun? Yes, you better know what down range. I am no expert, but a 9 mil will go through 3 or 4 walls, maybe more? Is the human body any better at stopping a bullet then drywall? All I wanted was a way to improve my center line at close range. I most likely will never use a weapon for self defense, but if I do it most likely will be at less then 10 yards. Unless I am out in the forest, at which point, I going to have a rifle. I am not a cop or military.
 
Robbyretard said:
I have a question? at what range is a pistol better then a shotgun? Yes, you better know what down range. I am no expert, but a 9 mil will go through 3 or 4 walls, maybe more? Is the human body any better at stopping a bullet then drywall? All I wanted was a way to improve my center line at close range. I most likely will never use a weapon for self defense, but if I do it most likely will be at less then 10 yards. Unless I am out in the forest, at which point, I going to have a rifle. I am not a cop or military.
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This question is a bit more complicated then you think, depending on the shot loaded in the shotgun the answer will vary wildly. Assuming you mean buckshot, you can essentially think of each of those pellets as a bullet, carrying a lot of mass and velocity.

As for improving centerline at close range, you can certainly use a laser trainer for that, or even airsoft. I would encourage you to learn to shoot properly first.

Don't worry too much about drywall, there isn't much to be done about it. Instead, focus on being accurate, human bodies are much better at stopping bullets then drywall, and every miss is a liability.

Polock said:
There are elements in his thinking that are right even if he is a little upside down.
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Firing from the hip with proper technique is an option, but you need to run many drills, as shooting before you present is going to be likely to induce a jam.

If being run at by melee attacker diagonally move backwards to create space. Don't go directly back, you may fall over and side stepping is more difficult on a straight back pedal.
 
Boney said:
Firing from the hip with proper technique is an option, but you need to run many drills, as shooting before you present is going to be likely to induce a jam.
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What sort of things would induce a jam? I can only think of limp wristing and clothes getting caught. When practicing close range gunfighting drills the only thing I've run into was my shirt getting caught in the slide and that was because it was a billowing untucked unbuttoned circus tent sized thing that was frankly getting in the way even when I wasn't shooting.

Robbyretard said:
I have a question? at what range is a pistol better then a shotgun?
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It depends but in an actual melee fight a pistol is absolutely better. A pistol is also better if you need real precision. Yes I know shotgun spreads aren't like video game shotguns but in (god forbid) a hostage scenario, I wouldn't want to be using a shotgun for that.

Obviously the body is much better at stopping bullets than drywall. Interesting factoid - your skin is 4x more resistant to a bullet than your muscles are.

Robbyretard said:
All I wanted was a way to improve my center line at close range.
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Practicing your draw and dry firing can do that.

As far as specific drills, the most recent one that I ran across combines a couple of different things but the skills you're developing are ones youre interested in. I dunno what its called, they called it The Now Drill but when I later looked up that name it came up as something different so I just call it [My Trainer's] Now Drill, lemme find it in my notes.



Equipment required
Paper plate
2+ magazines
Shot timer​
Rounds required16
Drill
Standing at most 5 yards
away, draw and fire at the
paper plate, reloading at least
1 time.​
Par Time8 seconds
Par Score16/16
Fail state
Any missed shots fails the drill.​

​


Drawing from concealment my best time is a 8.77 so I have a ways to go. It basically is exactly what you're looking for. If you are doing precision aiming you wont be making par time, but you also cant be sloppy or you'll fail.
 
Range day today. 200 rounds of pistol, and 200 rounds of rifle for drills. Additional rifle at distance.


MXAD cold. Close target at 10 far target at 15. Also switched order and round count.



Bill at 15, 10, and 5


More Bills started at 10 and worked back to 25.
 
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Did some non standard drills and competitive shooting this weekend. I haven’t been doing dry fire and it shows. My connection to the gun was not where it needs to be.

Did some supported shooting at 500 and 300 yard c zone steel. I didn’t really know my hold for 500, but I figured it out in 5 shots. 500 is not something I really practice much with a dot/ magnifier gun, and to me is more of a parlor trick, than I shot I would actually need to make.

Did some pistol out to about 25 and rifle standing unsupported at 200. At 200 I have a fairly decent wobble zone and wasn’t as consistent as I would have liked. I’ll need to practice that more.
 
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