Science Fish Suffer Up to 22 Minutes of Intense Pain When Taken Out of Water - Animal suffering is a difficult thing to quantify, but scientists have recently developed a standardized framework that factors in the intensity of negative states like stress or pain and the length of time they're experienced.

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Each year, a trillion or so fish are pulled from the water, typically destined for our plates. While it's hardly a pleasurable outcome for the animal, a new study has just put a sobering number on their suffering.

Rainbow trout (Oncorhynchus mykiss) hail originally from the Pacific Ocean's cold water tributaries, but are now a popular food fish worldwide, farmed in every continent except Antarctica.

Most of the time they are killed by asphyxiation, either in open air or ice water. While this is a cost-effective way to kill fish en-mass, an international team of biologists, led by Cynthia Schuck-Paim from the Welfare Footprint Institute, has found that each fish can experience up to 22 minutes of intense pain with this method.

Animal suffering is a difficult thing to quantify, but scientists have recently developed a standardized framework that factors in the intensity of negative states like stress or pain and the length of time they're experienced.

It's called the Welfare Footprint Framework, or WFF. The hope is that it will allow people who work with animals – biologists, veterinarians, zookeepers, farmers, etc – to compare and improve animal welfare standards.

"Societal concern about the impacts of production practices on animal welfare is rising, as evidenced by consumer-driven movements, labelling efforts, accreditation schemes, policies and legislation that prioritize animal welfare," the study's authors write.

"Our findings provide the first quantitative estimates of pain during fish slaughter, demonstrating the potential scale of welfare improvements achievable through effective stunning methods."

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Sifting through stacks of published scientific papers, the team created a detailed picture of the experience of a fish out of water.

Just five seconds of air exposure triggers a neurochemical response we might associate with negative emotions in ourselves. Behaviors such as vigorous twisting and turning further demonstrate an intense aversion reaction.

Without water, the delicate gill structures that exchange oxygen for carbon dioxide stick together, causing CO2 from respiration to accumulate. These rising levels trigger nociception – the body's alarm system – which causes the fish to gasp. Eventually the elevated CO2 levels acidify the animal's blood and cerebrospinal fluid, ultimately resulting in unconsciousness.

Depending on the size of the fish, and the conditions in which it is slaughtered, these distressing experiences can last anywhere between 2 and 25 minutes.

"When standardized by production output, this corresponds to an average of 24 minutes per kilogram, with over one hour of moderate to extreme pain per kilogram in some cases," the authors note.

They estimate that electrical stunning, which has been proposed as a humane alternative for killing fish, could save up to 20 hours of moderate to extreme pain per US dollar of capital expenditure.

But brain scans have found the effectiveness of electrical stunning can vary widely: ideally, the animal should be rendered immediately and wholly unconscious until death. With current stunning methods, this isn't always the case.

"The welfare impact and effectiveness of any stunning method also depends critically on the entire harvest process, being affected by cumulative pre-slaughter stressors," Schuck-Paim and colleagues write.

"The WFF can also be used for assessing the welfare impacts of these processes and identifying priority areas for effective intervention."

While it's difficult for many of us to confront the cost of our human activities from an animal's perspective, this comparable measure of animal experience offers a clear picture of where improvements can be made for the welfare of our food stocks.

By quantifying the pain associated with this most common fish slaughter method, we may find better ways to care for the billions of animals that feed us each year.

The research is published in Scientific Reports.

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Edit: I now have that stupid jingle in my head and it refuses to leave.
I got a brain and I feel pain
(It’s Simple)
 
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Most if not all animals in the wild spend almost every minute in pain. Be it from being preyed upon, parasitized, infected, wounded, starvation, exposure to the elements or having to take care of their own young.

Life outside of our human comforts is nothing but pain. The greatest luxury we as a species has is that we can live most of our existence in relative comfort or at the very least stave off discomforts for significant periods of time.

I do not care what "pain" I am causing to animals by eating them. But even if I did care, killing and eating them is an end to their pain filled existence and a part of the natural order. At least the deaths are quick and relatively painless.

Fuck off PETA you hypocritical loony jackasses.
 
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I love how scientists keep figuring out stuff that farmers and fishermen have known for thousands of years. Or perhaps the stuff that can be easily inferred by reading first-level science books.

Also, without ice, the best way to eat fish is to start cutting up while it’s still alive. There’s no need to prekill if eating right away.
 
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Thanks for the info. Very cool. I just got back from fishing today, I had such a great time I think I'll go torture more trout tomorrow morning.

Faggots.
 
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Yeah, thats why you spike the brain, or if your feeling primal, club it like Smeagol. It also keeps the fish better because it releases less stress chemicals. Not killing the fish is either laziness or because of it's difficulty on a commercial scale.
It's not even that "Primal" in a brutal way to club them. I used to go fishing with my grandpa and if we were keeping the fish, he'd just grab it by the tail and give it a couple solid thumps on the edge of the boat until it stopped moving, then toss it on ice.

As for bigger fish, you either spike them, knife them, or bonk them. You really don't want them thrashing around. Especially ones with barbs like Catfish.
 
A couple of people mentioned ikejime (brain spiking, also often followed by threading through the spinal column with a needle and thread), but simply cutting out the gills bleeds the fish out in seconds as well. I bring a bucket, fill it with seawater and spike the brain and remove the gills/bleed the fish out in the bucket. Better tasting fish and super quick to do when you're out on the sand.
 
I used to care a lot about the pain of animals... until they hired lobbyists.

Now I don't care at all.
 
Depending on the size of the fish, and the conditions in which it is slaughtered, these distressing experiences can last anywhere between 2 and 25 minutes.

"When standardized by production output, this corresponds to an average of 24 minutes per kilogram, with over one hour of moderate to extreme pain per kilogram in some cases," the authors note.
Uh, so it between 2 and 25 minutes, or between 2 minutes and 1 hour?

That's a pretty wild gap in your estimations.
 
Uh, so it between 2 and 25 minutes, or between 2 minutes and 1 hour?

That's a pretty wild gap in your estimations.
I don’t know if I am reading this right, not a science dude, but it seems they studied the trout and extrapolated from there to other kinds of fish which is why the wide variance?


There’s the study, if anyone smarter can decipher it.

Dolphins aren't fish bro.
It was a joke brah, also not sure how not being a fish means jacking it off is cool but hey no shame.
 
Well, their pain ends once their heads are lopped off. These people will stop at nothing to force fucking insects on us.
 
why the fuck do they not act more agonized
It's not like this dude can whip out a glock, or scream or something.
Jokes aside and I'm just going off memory but I think that's a sunfish and they're borderline retarded - some literally get stuck sideways and drown in water.

So someone in a group asked me to tell them why I hate the ocean sunfish so much, and apparently it was ~too mean~ and was deleted. To perpetuate the truth and stand up for ethical journalism, I'm posting it here. [Rated NC-17 for language.]

Disclaimer, I care about marine life more than I care about anything else, for real. Except this big dumb idiot. And it's not like an ~ironic~ thing, I mean it IS hilarious to me and they ARE THE BIGGEST JOKE PLAYED ON EARTH but I seriously fucking hate them.

THE MOLA MOLA FISH (OR OCEAN SUNFISH)

They are the world's largest boney fish, weighing up to 5,000 pounds. And since they have very little girth, that just makes them these absolutely giant fucking dinner plates that God must have accidentally dropped while washing dishes one day and shrugged his shoulders at because no one could have imagined this would happen. AND WITH NO PURPOSE. EVERY POUND OF THAT IS A WASTED POUND AND EVERY FOOT OF IT (10 FT BY 14 FT) IS WASTED SPACE.

They are so completely useless that scientists even debate about how they move. They have little control other than some minor wiggling. Some say they must just push water out of their mouths for direction (?????). They COULD use their back fin EXCEPT GUESS WHAT IT DOESNT FUCKING GROW. It just continually folds in on itself, so the freaking cells are being made, this piece of floating garbage just doesn't put them where they need to fucking go.

So they don't have swim bladders. You know, the one thing that every fish has to make sure it doesn't just sink to the bottom of the ocean when they stop moving and can stay the right side up. This creature. That can barely move to begin with. Can never stop its continuous tour of idiocy across the ocean or it'll fucking sink. EXCEPT. EXCEPT. When they get stuck on top of the water! Which happens frequently! Because without the whole swim bladder thing, if the ocean pushes over THE THINNEST BUT LARGEST MOST TOPPLE-ABLE FISH ON THE PLANET, shit outta luck! There is no creature on this earth that needs a swim bladder more than this spit in the face of nature, AND YET. Some scientists have speculated that when they do that, they are absorbing energy from the sun because no one fucking knows how they manage to get any real energy to begin with. So they need the sun I guess. But good news, when they end up stuck like that, it gives birds a chance to land on their goddamn island of a body and eat the bugs and parasites out of its skin because it's basically a slowly migrating cesspool. Pros and cons.

"If they are so huge, they must at least be decent predators." No. No. The most dangerous thing about them is, as you may have guessed, their stupidity. They have caused the death of one person before. Because it jumped onto a boat. On a human. And in 2005 it decided to relive its mighty glory days and do it again, this time landing on a four-year-old boy. Luckily Byron sustained no injuries. Way to go, fish. Great job.

They mostly only eat jellyfish because of course they do, they could only eat something that has no brain and a possibility of drifting into their mouths I guess. Everything they do eat has almost zero nutritional value and because it's so stupidly fucking big, it has to eat a ton of the almost no nutritional value stuff to stay alive. Dumb. See that ridiculous open mouth? (This is actually why this is my favorite picture of one, and I have had it saved to my phone for three years) "Oh no! What could have happened! How could this be!" Do not let that expression fool you, they just don't have the goddamn ability to close their mouths because their teeth are fused together, and ya know what, it is good it floats around with such a clueless expression on its face, because it is in fact clueless as all fuck.

They do SOMETIMES get eaten though. BUT HARDLY. No animal truly uses them as a food source, but instead (which has lead us to said photo) will usually just maim the fuck out of them for kicks. Seals have been seen playing with their fins like frisbees. Probably the most useful thing to ever come from them.

"Wow, you raise some good points here, this fish truly is proof that God has abandoned us." Yes, thank you. "But if they're so bad at literally everything, why haven't they gone extinct." Great question.

BECAUSE THIS THING IS SO WORTHLESS IT DOESNT REALIZE IT SHOULD NOT EXIST. IT IS SO UNAWARE OF LITERALLY FUCKING EVERYTHING THAT IT DOESNT REALIZE THAT IT'S DOING MAYBE THE WORST FUCKING JOB OF BEING A FISH, OR DEBATABLY THE WORST JOB OF BEING A CLUSTER OF CELLS THAN ANY OTHER CLUSTER OF CELLS. SO WHAT DOES IT DO? IT LAYS THE MOST EGGS OUT OF EVERYTHING. Besides some bugs, there are some ants and stuff that'll lay more. IT WILL LAY 300 MILLION EGGS AT ONE TIME. 300,000,000. IT SURVIVES BECAUSE IT WOULD BE STATISTICALLY IMPROBABLE, DARE I SAY IMPOSSIBLE, THAT THERE WOULDNT BE AT LEAST ONE OF THOSE 300,000,000 (that is EACH time they lay eggs) LEFT SURVIVING AT THE END OF THE DAY.

And this concludes why I hate the fuck out of this complete failure of evolution, the Ocean Sunfish. If I ever see one, I will throw rocks at it.
 
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Must be nice to only feel intense pain for 22 minutes. I'm in agony every second I'm alive.
 
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