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With a (questionable) W from James Drake, how would you rate season 5 of Fishtank?

  • 1 Star — Absolute disaster. Unwatchable, boring, production fucked it up bad, the fish were lame

    Votes: 56 7.3%
  • 2 Stars — Pretty bad. Some funny moments, dragged, too many vibe repair days. Barely worth checking.

    Votes: 87 11.4%
  • 3 Stars — Average. Solid entertainment in spots, some good chaos and crashouts, but nothing special

    Votes: 169 22.1%
  • 4 Stars — Really good. Lots of hilarious moments, strong fish personalities, solid content and vibes

    Votes: 405 53.0%
  • 5 Stars — Peak Fishtank / Masterpiece. Non-stop insanity, legendary fish and production, pure chaos

    Votes: 47 6.2%

  • Total voters
    764
The rules being followed definitely add to the game but they should never take precedent over what's best for content and bringing Bashir back is what's best for content.
That's the thing though, is that removing the rules also removes motivation to participate. James is really only worth watching because he's good at the social game, and Emma is only worth watching because she's good at challenges. If they're both demotivated because they were effectively punished for playing the game, then production traded away two fish to get Bashir back, which is worse for content overall.

He was warned that he'd be eliminated if he didn't do something in the next ten minutes, and chose to shit himself and do nothing. No one is expecting him to win the season at this point, he's only here to be an antagonist, so there's really no reason to bring him back as a fish.
What the fuck else were they supposed to do after Vicky walked off in extreme bad-faith
That's actually another thing that removes motivation: they successfully hassled her off the show, and were punished for it by bringing back someone they hated even more. The next time someone's eliminated, there's going to be motivation to walk on eggshells so that no one storms off and replaces themselves with the eliminated fish.

As far as what they could do, off the top of my head:

Ask Emma how much she'd need to get paid to bring back Bashir. Announce his return and inform everyone that it's Emma's fault he's back. Emma doesn't lose agency, gets rewarded with money, becomes secondary antagonist so that Bashir doesn't just get dog piled, and hate is directed at Emma instead of production. James still gets fucked, but he didn't actually lose agency because he didn't actually win the challenge: he could have stolen the stump to prevent it. The way things played out today means he lost agency even without winning, because nothing would have changed if he stole the stump and shot Bashir.

If Emma won't take the bribe, bring him back as a freeloader (since we already know he can't win anyway). Have him be a spiritual guide and keep track of everyone's sins, least sins gets immunity for the next challenge. Or bring in Jon as a freeloader as well, make them choose teams, and have a holy war. See how long it takes them to realize it's a holy war.

The only motivation anyone has to participate in the game is to eliminate other contestants either via elimination challenge or forcing walk outs, and bringing back Bashir is actively punishing people for doing either of those two things. We're back to a Josie meta, where the winner will be whatever contestant avoids ever doing anything.

The dumbest thing is that they're running a game where players are encouraged to try to get each other to quit and then having no plan for when someone quits. The second dumbest thing is that they're still running eliminations where a fish gets to choose who to go home and will always pick either the fan favorite or the antagonist, the two most important fish to keep. These are lessons they should have learned from the previous seasons, and have actually vocally admitted were flaws with their game this season, but have made no attempt to fix. There are so many solutions to these problems, the most obvious one being to just do away with eliminations all together.
 
The dumbest thing is that they're running a game where players are encouraged to try to get each other to quit and then having no plan for when someone quits
I don't think they wanted people to ragequit though, but I overall agree with you. They're caught in a loop where they actually need to employ game-design principles to this. They're trying to make it a "fair game" and then throwing that away every time something doesn't go as planned.

That being said, they were planning for maybe 2 losses the first week, but got 3. All three were bad-faith ragequits. I really don't think it counts as "pressing people out of the tank" when there's a bunch of extremely raped shit going on in the background. Like, JD is not based for chasing off vicky with mild confrontation over tampered luggage. Vicky is to blame for being a dumb BPD sloot who let TTS messages about her ex and her own publicly available mugshot fry her. She's also responsible for going into "please coddle me" mode when she realized physicality was possible(when Drake slapped a woman who literally consented to a slapfight AND enjoyed it)
Two of the three involved excessively gay discord drama. Two of the three also involved BDP foid "auuugh they're LITERALLY RAPING ME" behavior, which is a huge liability. Bezo was a liability too since he was attracting actual swatters. It was just fucked. Bad contestants, unavoidable - not a W.

The second dumbest thing is that they're still running eliminations where a fish gets to choose who to go home and will always pick either the fan favorite or the antagonist
I think the way the wiggers thought this out is "they all do plant wars and whoever wins gets to shoot their opp" typical wiggerism - "dude someone's gonna piss the winner off and the winner's just gonna like shoot 'em". Basically expecting a semi-random elimination.
They expected everyone to babysit the plants, pick leaves off for a few days, and then incite some kinda SHTF moment where it was an all-out war for plant parts. The stump became a thing at some point. They never explained clearly that it was in-play even though it would've been a massive object of desire with how the game was actually being played. Not even sure everyone was even aware of it since the foids just camped in the jungle room.

The wiggers had no clue how to respond to the Social Game aspect, or the gay pacifist truce that developed. That was all Bashir and Emma(manipulated by vicky) inciting that. They broke the intended spirit of the game and production failed to get it back on rails or adapt to the situation. It just turned into another form of voting elimination and therefore the Villainous Element was eliminated. Same shit as Simbal getting axed first on FH2 when the game the wiggers had intended was for all the OG fish to eliminate the normies, but then the normies got weirded out by Stinky Indian TouchMan and managed to get everyone to gang up on him.

There's a billion ways they could adapt to that if they were smart, but the show is very much centered around "see what happens and adapt later" - if Vicky hadn't ragequit I doubt they would've brought back Bashir. And yeah, they should have brought him back as a freeloader - freeloaders can still earn a decent chunk of cash doing challenges and whatnot so he probably would've done it.
 
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Bashir washed his feet and is praying. I was happy Bashir was eliminated and I'm happy he is back. I gave Jet his ten dollars.
 
i can see both sides. I get bringing Bashir back goes against “the spirit of the game” but also losing too many people too earlier on isn’t great either
 
Yeah, I agree.

It comes down to reality game basics: why participate in the challenges if the result doesn't matter?

Emma made a move by sneaking the stump into her bag. It completely dunked on James Drake's alliance and despite it, she won. She choose to eliminate Bashir, and what did she actually get from that?

Nothing. Literally nothing. By winning the challenge and eliminating the person she felt was the biggest threat, she now put herself at a disadvantage. Now her target returned as a full contestant due to something completely out of her control, and is obviously going to hassle her.
Counter point, it's the consequences of her own fucking actions to ally with an unstable junkie and be insufferable for two days. Her alliance with Vick is the reason she got fucked, her absolutely unwillingness to listen to anyone else is why her choice backfired. Instead of being intelligent and realizing that Vick contributed quite literally nothing to their "alliance" except make them both unlikable sows, she went after Bashir because he hurt her feelings.

If she had eliminated Vick she would have been seen as a hero who eliminated the most obnoxious person in the tank. The audience would have loved her, the other fish would have appreciated her taking out the trash, and her decision would have stuck. She threw her lot in with a junkie and shocker of shockers it didn't work out in the end because junkies do what junkies do.

You can go on and on about the social game aspect, but what social game did those two play by hiding in the jungle room and refusing to talk to anyone? Maybe, just maybe, next time there's a challenge she won't solve it by locking herself in a room for the better party of 48 hours and ruin the vibe of the show. I will also say, that was also productions fault for enabling that behavior and not punishing her and Vicky, or atleast taking the door so they couldn't barricade themselves in there.
 
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will also say, that was also productions fault for enabling that behavior and not punishing her and Vicky, or atleast taking the door so they couldn't barricade themselves in there.
they needed to do something that incites change. anything that incited any change would've been preferable. i think they didn't want to ramp shit up too heavily because they know it'll immediately devolve into peepeepoopoo with this cast and I don't think anyone really wants that quite yet, but letting the hoes hole up for 2 days was just retarded and not in the spirit of the game

unless there is no game and the spirit of the show is fucking with people and making them sleep on astroturf and in hotboxed hallways. so we're back to the age-old "is this a fair game, and should it be?" debate. i don't even think the wiggers have an answer to this because they just brought back a guy who was fairly eliminated after the most annoying bitch they've ever had on the show ragequit over lesser-hassles and 'corder drama.

maybe The Twins really are psychic and jet's just fucking haunted.
 
I hope James Drake can recover from this. I quite like both him and Emma cause they both offer something unique to the other fish that have winning personality like BingBong and Landon.
Drake has grown on me a lot too, Emma is my sleeper. I can see Anise, Emma, and Drake forming a union to oust Bashir. I can understand why they were pissed. If he were a freeloader, it would be fine, but a full contestant, bruh.
 
Both the production, and the contestants have points that are legit and both are essentially about the well being of the show.

However with so many contestants gone this soon, productions arguments for getting Bashir back has to weigh heavier, as they need to make a show last for the benefit of the audience.

I do feel like that they should give Emma some sort of compensation for winning the challenge, now that her bullet was voided. Maybe give her immunity for the next elimination, or at the very least a nice stack of fish bucks?
 
This season is cinema, they have done another decent job on casting. The Twins are just pure content to watch and the Bashir TTS prayer time has been some of the funniest shit.
 
Bringing back the Muslim devalues the competition, so he should come back handicapped in some way, like never being able to get immunity or automatically being at the bottom of the next competition.

He is going to be so insufferable now that he returned and it's going to be so fucking great. I am thrilled he's back.

Either Vicky or Bashir need to be in the house and I think the wiggers realized this.

Hopefully Drake bullies the shit out of Bashir.

Also is Head gone for good?
 
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