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With a (questionable) W from James Drake, how would you rate season 5 of Fishtank?

  • 1 Star — Absolute disaster. Unwatchable, boring, production fucked it up bad, the fish were lame

    Votes: 56 7.3%
  • 2 Stars — Pretty bad. Some funny moments, dragged, too many vibe repair days. Barely worth checking.

    Votes: 87 11.4%
  • 3 Stars — Average. Solid entertainment in spots, some good chaos and crashouts, but nothing special

    Votes: 169 22.1%
  • 4 Stars — Really good. Lots of hilarious moments, strong fish personalities, solid content and vibes

    Votes: 405 53.0%
  • 5 Stars — Peak Fishtank / Masterpiece. Non-stop insanity, legendary fish and production, pure chaos

    Votes: 47 6.2%

  • Total voters
    764
What I saw was a manipulative snake of a man who was working his way through the brains of less smart individuals to do his bidding and now capitalized on it after the two annoying and unpopular normies got ousted. He was waiting the entire time for this moment and he failed.

I understand that for most people, big picture thinking isn't a thing. It's all good.
Capitalized on it by standing by playing Landon custody battle while not attacking his biggest adversary? His goal has always been to get rid of Bashir which he failed multiple times to do through Emma and James.
You can't claim big picture while just writing some gay fanfic about how your failed actor is actually some 5D chess mastermind
 
I don't understand this narrative some are trying to push that James Drake is being coddled and everything is rigged for him.

The wiggers haven't really rigged for anyone period this season. They've not done much to fuck with James Drake but wtf would you do to him since nothing seems to bother him except losing? The only person they've really dogpiled on this season anyways was Landon. Almost all of Bashir's strife is self inflicted because he acts holier than thou and can't stop himself from being rude to every roastie that walks through the door.
 
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I'm gonna be real. EVERYONE in this picture is being a giant bitch (except Antara who is now present)
 
Capitalized on it by standing by playing Landon custody battle while not attacking his biggest adversary? His goal has always been to get rid of Bashir which he failed multiple times to do through Emma and James.
You can't claim big picture while just writing some gay fanfic about how your failed actor is actually some 5D chess mastermind
He's not a 5D chess mastermind. The mastermind type here is Bashir, he's just very bad at it and wants to be the most special snowflake in the room at all times. James is at best mediocre at masterminding and scheming. Actually, worse than that. He doesn't know the capabilities of the personnel he operates with. Bashir cases them well before using them.
The 'religious guru' role he tried to take on for the Twins, the splitting the prize, it's all manipulation.
I'm only siding with James Drake because Bashir is fucking assblasted about him to the point of pulling all stops.
 
As much as Bashir is a smug asshole about everything, he's been very consistent with three things: He wants to win, he prefers friendtank to peepeepoopoo tank, and he won't do anything Haram.

And he's kinda just right about basically everything he says. If he's a real Muslim, like he claims to be, then he's not going to eat pork-gelatin to win some candy. If production doesn't want a Muslim on the show, they could have not cast him, they could have not brought him back, and they can eliminate him at any time with an elimination bacon-eating challenge. Of course, if they do, then there's noone left for James to fight, Bashir gets to leave knowing that the game was rigged against him and he went as far as he could.

For the first assault on Drake's fort, production said no more friendtank and they have to be hostile, but there was no motivation or goal. The only thing left is fighting for no reason, and letting the tank degenerate as far as possible. Rather than trying to stretch out over the end of the season, with people mostly just sitting in their rooms by themselves defending against attackers that don't exist, Bashir decided to go at them with 10/10 force while complaining that the game is stupid and makes no sense, and pointing out that if his luggage is already gone and he already got piss thrown in his face, there's nothing left for peepeepoopoo tank to escalate to. What's Frank going to do? Can't fuck with his luggage, can't make him leave with piss, there's nothing left to do. Either production ends the fight or it just continues to be peepeepoopoo tank for the rest of the show.

Production ended the assault both times, so Bashir did win both times by forcing their hands. Making the enemy fort inhospitable is a goal in and of itself, if they had to clean it, but production interfered by making the 'losing team' clean it up instead (which means Bashir wins again, production would rather watch Landon clean than watch people fight, something that he explicitly pointed out).

Strategywise, if the people who want peepeepoopoo tank get their way, final two are Beshir vs Drake, and the earlier Drake is eliminated the earlier peepeepoopoo tank is over. It's in everyone else's best interest to help Bashir get rid of Drake next, so that the tank can revert to friend tank where Twins and Landon have an actual chance at winning. People are calling this "manipulation," but it's a legitimate strategy that's mutually beneficial to all parties he's trying to manipulate. If you're not okay with that, then you want there to be no social game aspect.

And as far as friendtank vs hellhouse goes, if we accept that production is ultimately responsible for who gets eliminated, then they secretly agree that friendtank is the correct way to play the game, even if they're not self-aware enough to know it: Josie won the first season by being least hostile and attracting the most simps (who I assume are mostly not just perverts because she's not even attractive, but I suppose I could be wrong), TJ won season 2 basically because he was friends with Shinji and they teamed up against Tay, then Shinji was too friendly to aim for the ribs, Burt won season 3 because he was the most autistic, not because he was strongest or best at throwing poo. Even if you take into account Frank, Frank's two best moments were with Fatty on season 1 and Furt on season 3, neither of which were throwing food or destroying luggage.

And it's super frustrating that Bashir keeps talking about how he's the primary target all season and James is being coddled, because the complaining is super gay, but it's hard to argue with when Mints has been responsible for the majority of the season. The only other person getting hate anywhere the same level from production via TTS has been JD, meanwhile friendly TTS to James is free.

I think that Bashir is pointing out a core flaw with the show, in that both production and fans forget what they want half way through the season.

If you fill the house with normies, or relative normies, that don't know what the show is, peepeepoopoo tank is interesting because you're getting to see the normies react to it and crash out over it, and you get to root for the strongest normie to survive hellhouse. Adding autistics to that is interesting for the social aspect where the normies have to deal with people who are literally incapable of behaving like a normie, but it's ultimately a test of "how far will you degrade yourself to win." But when they set something up like that in season 3, half the normies left at the first sign of danger, which should have been entirely expected, but everyone got pissy about it and they decided to do fan casts again the next season.

Which is fine, but if everyone is a fan, they all know they're walking into Frank Hassle at some point and are fine with it anyway, which means that there's really no point in peepeepoopoo house between the fish anymore once you get rid of the weakest most retarded fish. The fans can all band together as Friendtank and try to resist the freeloaders and possibly production, who are trying to turn it into hellhouse. That's entertaining right up until production gets butthurt about the fish shit-talking them and kicks Jin, or just comes up and tells the fish that they're boring and need to be hostile like in season 2 and now season 4. The other thing about fan-tank or friend-tank is that everyone is going to instinctively protect the fish they like the most, that they feel like should win, which in this case is the Twins and originally was Josie. With a mix of autistics and normies you're going to get the same thing, where the normies don't want to be hostile towards the most innocent fish and the autistics don't want to be hostile towards the most autistic fish.

If they want to do a mix of the two, the hostility needs to be organic, which means that the problem is not "friendtank," the problem is "coddletank." Get rid of the "vibe repair" days and let the weaker fish get pissed and hostile until they get rid of the non-friend, and they can replace them with Lauras and Fatties and Franks.
 
Ben has been pushing for James Drake to be on the show since he was supposed to be on for S3.
James has been a production favorite this season; there isn’t a way to get around that.
I’m not saying that he isn’t content, but Ben wants him there.

Bashir only got there because of his clothes and religion.

If you’re still hung up on Bashir being brought back as a fish, then go back and keep Vicky from walking.
 
The only thing keeping this going is Bashir's refusal to give up on Landon despite it being clear to everyone he's Binx's bitch now. The move is to take Landon's candy, give him his room back, then move on to trying to work with the Twins to get rid of James. Trying to reason with him is pointless.
Admirable, but pointless defines Bashir's entire run on this show to date
 
Bashir constantly talking about "after the game" "you"ll see after the game" "I want you to know I still like you outside the game"

NEGRO focus on the GAME because you are in a GAME. Apologize AFTER the GAME.
 
I don't get it, Chuck's Feed and Seed?


“The sign is a subtle joke. The shop is called "Sneed's Feed & Seed", where feed and seed both end in the sound "-eed", thus rhyming with the name of the owner, Sneed. The sign says that the shop was "Formerly Chuck's", implying that the shop was owned by Chuck at some point. So, when Chuck owned the shop, it would have been called "Chuck's Fuck and Suck".
 
If you’re still hung up on Bashir being brought back as a fish, then go back and keep Vicky from walking.
Not about being hung up but you literally lose any right to cry about rigging when you got brought back from the dead for free. James Drake not being fucked with by production as much as Bashir wants still gets eclipsed by the action of being brought back.
 
If you’re still hung up on Bashir being brought back as a fish, then go back and keep Vicky from walking.
I was okay with him coming back. I thought it was kino. I just think he's a flaming dumpster of a person, a real hypocrite in every sense of the word. That does make him an amazing Fishtank competitor.

@filthypenguin probably said the best winning scenario for Bashir but backwards: if he had allied with James Drake instead of veiled provocations, he'd have eliminated everyone else and probably been able to recruit Vimp and other dedicated freeloaders to his banner, winning the game through attrition.
 
No one gives a shit about Bashir being brought back, it was a good move.
Everytime it's mentioned it's used as a contrast to Bashir crying about the game being rigged for Drake.
 
Not about being hung up but you literally lose any right to cry about rigging when you got brought back from the dead for free. James Drake not being fucked with by production as much as Bashir wants still gets eclipsed by the action of being brought back.
"If you get brought back as a competitor, not a freeloader, at the request of the people running the show. You are then required to accept a clear bias and curl up and die"

You might be retarded. I'd be pissed too if the reason I was brought back was to have my time wasted as a scripted loss for their golden boy.
 
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