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With a (questionable) W from James Drake, how would you rate season 5 of Fishtank?

  • 1 Star — Absolute disaster. Unwatchable, boring, production fucked it up bad, the fish were lame

    Votes: 56 7.3%
  • 2 Stars — Pretty bad. Some funny moments, dragged, too many vibe repair days. Barely worth checking.

    Votes: 87 11.4%
  • 3 Stars — Average. Solid entertainment in spots, some good chaos and crashouts, but nothing special

    Votes: 169 22.1%
  • 4 Stars — Really good. Lots of hilarious moments, strong fish personalities, solid content and vibes

    Votes: 405 53.0%
  • 5 Stars — Peak Fishtank / Masterpiece. Non-stop insanity, legendary fish and production, pure chaos

    Votes: 47 6.2%

  • Total voters
    764
Made a quick clip compilation of the season, definitely wish i could have put more clips in. I picked this song because it reminds me of the Green Sahara music from S1 / S2.



 
This Tweet had me cry laughing.

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To run Kimmee’s numbers, because she seems to be the quintessential e girl listed and I want to play with this equation
I don't think you know what an e-girl is lmao. They're somewhere between thots(twitch/kick thots, onlyfans) and those "im such a femcel guys please give me attention" accounts on twitter or reddit with 90 followers.

I also don't really consider kimmee an e-girl because she doesn't even pretend to get nerd culture or vidya or anything and is very clearly just married to Ice so his rich conservative florida jew parents don't cut him off for being a fag and doing the OF thot titty-streamer thing, pretending to be "not like the other girls" is quintessential e-girl shit.

Also, landon love island sucks. They need to "Chud to Chad" him first and get him in the gym and talking to randos to make him more confident.
 
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Landon and Vimp went outside to lay in the grass. Maejok let's them suffer.
 
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Letty is an e-girl but has some talents and abilities outside of this. She's been through fishtank and lived through the longhouse which is a lot. She also has insight into tank with her streams so she's not useless as a commentator. She really REALLY tries to get male attention, so this firmly sets her in e-girl category. She tries to hold sexual power over men therefore it's based when men BTFO her.
Watching Letty is kind of depressing. She could be so much more than an e-girl if she just applied herself to it. Unfortunately she's lazy as fuck without outside pressure and she chooses environments where she will always be the biggest fish in a small pond. Aging is going to do number on her psyche when she finds out the whole coquette thing has a very brief shelf life.
 
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Fellow Bashbabes, we have been seen and blessed🙏

Also this:
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As said before, he's in the most liberal school of Islam. His father is too. He did end the season touching women so W on his part.
 
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Arguing is gay. Let's start talking about the real reason we're all here:

Bloodgames 2 (hopefully Season 5.5)

Who/what/when/where do we want?
I'm working on a bigger post about my thoughts, but you guys have had some great ideas peppered throughout this thread. Drop 'em now while we have a bit of downtime between S5 and whatever mini content Jet has in store.

A few questions to think about:
  • What contestants? S3/4/5?
  • Theme? Medieval fantasy focus or scattershot nonsense like BG1?
  • Returning characters other than Xavier?
  • Fully outdoors, split between indoors and outdoors, or fully indoors at a warehouse?
  • More serious LARP than last time, or less serious?
  • More focus on RPG mechanics, or less?
  • Sequel or prequel? Immediate or distant?
  • What shouldn't change? What should change?
  • Should audience participation matter more?
  • Weapon balancing? New weapons? Should guns return?
  • Should food be earned through quests or money? Or given by default like last time?
  • How much hassling of contestants?
  • Camera placements? What do we think about the chest cams?
I'm aware of how difficult it's going to be to get another Bloodgames, and that it may not happen at all.
But I want to keep discussion alive to show Jet, Ben, and Sam (to whatever extent he's involved) that we are still very much interested and that prioritizing it wouldn't be a waste of resources. Also to let them know what we liked and what they can safely focus their efforts on for maximum viewing quality. Also also get them to stop hating KF, we're not all dox-happy freaks masturbating over the downfalls of autists, particularly in this thread.
If Bloodgames 2 happens it needs to be with Xavier as the host or just pack it all in. If the rrats are true that Xavier is pissed off and doesn't want to deal with the wiggers anymore then we should all just give up on Bloodgames. Xavier has the improv and LARP skills to make it work without making it a self referential fart huffing exercise like the Wiggers will.
 
Watching Letty is kind of depressing. She could be so much more than an e-girl if she just applied herself to it. Unfortunately she's lazy as fuck without outside pressure and she chooses environments where she will always be the biggest fish in a small pond. Aging is going to do number on her psyche when she finds out the whole coquette thing has a very brief shelf life.
There's something deeply inhuman about Letty that unsettles me. She's stunted growth wise and her need for male attention and jealous over men who she's not even with is very strange to me.

I don't know much about her since I'm a newfag, but she seems like a lizardperson in training. I cannot explain it in any other way. I get uncanny valley vibes from her.
 
Xavier is pissed off and doesn't want to deal with the wiggers anymore
Xavier is Frank's editor, he's the guy in basically every Frank video that has his face blurred out. He's the guy who was in Gamer Nighmare blowing vape smoke at the D&D players.
Frank was only involved with the wiggers because he's Sam's friend, he was introduced to MDE people because he trolled a news station after a shooting and namedropped Sam Hyde and GamerGate(Xavier was also DeagleNation)

The second Sam stopped being involved they snaked Frank over his (valid) criticisms about the s1 edit being shitty and cutting him out. Jet is a huge fag for that. The underlying reason also is probably that Jet is doing the thing everyone who gets a little clout and starts egofagging does and not wanting to work with people who aren't totally subservient to him
Frank is notoriously hard to work with because he doesn't really have an Off-Switch and is liable to crash out on his own editors and collaborators, which is why he's so locked in with Jace(because they're good friends unrelated to content creation).
 
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There's something deeply inhuman about Letty that unsettles me. She's stunted growth wise and her need for male attention and jealous over men who she's not even with is very strange to me.

I don't know much about her since I'm a newfag, but she seems like a lizardperson in training. I cannot explain it in any other way. I get uncanny valley vibes from her.
I would say that she strikes me as a Becky Sharp sort of character, only for our milieu rather than the Victorian. If she appears soulless and crass, it's because of our times.
 
There's something deeply inhuman about Letty that unsettles me. She's stunted growth wise and her need for male attention and jealous over men who she's not even with is very strange to me.

I don't know much about her since I'm a newfag, but she seems like a lizardperson in training. I cannot explain it in any other way. I get uncanny valley vibes from her.
She was underweight in S1 and over the course of the season let her lazy eye get more and more out of control to make her look nearly inhuman. That combined with her villainous character + Jeremy's (her psycho ex) unhinged ranting and leaking of her nudes in /ftl/ all season gave her an aura I don't think any fish has had since.

In S1 there was a baby challenge where the fish were paired off and each pair had to take care of a training baby that has sensors in it and you have to "feed" them and care for them and at the end of the challenge whoever's baby had the highest score would win. Letty opted for a sabotage route and did this to Simmons and Jon's baby:

This was a major shift for her character and the audience's perception of her and was a defining moment of Fishtank for the whole season. It was so insane to watch this live.
 
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She was underweight in S1 and over the course of the season let her lazy eye get more and more out of control to make her look nearly inhuman. That combined with her villainous character + Jeremy's (her psycho ex) unhinged ranting and leaking of her nudes in /ftl/ all season gave her an aura I don't think any fish has had since.

In S1 there was a baby challenge where the fish were paired off and each pair had to take care of a training baby that has sensors in it and you have to "feed" them and care for them and at the end of the challenge whoever's baby had the highest score would win. Letty opted for a sabotage route and did this to Simmons and Jon's baby:

This was a major shift for her character and the audience's perception of her and was a defining moment of Fishtank for the whole season. It was so insane to watch this live.
Maybe Because this is out of context for me but her shaking a baby doesn't seem like it's that bad just because the sabotage route is always a route.

I thought that I heard that she kind of got dog piled on? Was this before or after her villain arc?
 
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This was a major shift for her character and the audience's perception of her and was a defining moment of Fishtank for the whole season. It was so insane to watch this live.
Don't forget how she destroyed Jon's family bible in the washer, dunked someone's stuff into the porta potty (this happened so much I can't remember whose), and took a shit in Sylvia's closet.
 
The rigging was before the finale. TJ was protected from elimination multiple times. He had all of his chips stolen when there was an elimination challenge that required paying rent and iirc production made Brian give them back. Then when a single TTS mentioned horse cock he immediately freaked the fuck out (lubecooch lmao), grabbed the FAT STACK OF CASH he got from the promo challenge, and ran to the basement. Production obviously got him to stay and proceeded to block all but a handful of Lubecooch TTS for the rest of the season.

Lastly, the most direct attempt of eliminating him was done by Tay during the Chris Points (CP) challenges. She won the challenge to make Fatty cry and the reward was being able to pick someone to have their points wiped (person with lowest points was to be eliminated). TJ should've been eliminated at this point but once again production undid it by having Fatty agree to arbitrarily give him a large enough amount of CP to not be in last place, with Trish being eliminated instead.
The Brian chips was due to Brian feeling bad and returning them saying "you owe me, I own you now."
The lube cooch TTS i don't remember being blocked but it ultimately didn't matter as Tayleigh and Jimmy both used it as an attack point on him
I also don't consider being talked down from leaving rigging as much just because leaving not from something a Fish did is far lamer, and they even had to talk Letty down a couple of times.
Chris Points were always a meme Sam liked to have because Chris was never a fair judge and would give out point differences from 1 point to 100 points a challenge and Sam thought pissing off the audience with Fatty was funny.

But saying all this, I feel more okay with them nudging things in a pretty obvious way to keep the entertainment value through out the season. Like the Chris Points were so fucked they just said Trish was out because she was the most checked out. Which was true. To the point where she was pretty much okay switching to a freeloader.

To me the direct finale and any challenge for cash not having rigging is the important part. Whether people liked them or not the Swamp Olympics played naturally and well enough that S2 is remembered fondly rather than it being a 2 weeks ending of nothing while Fatty screamed at burned out people. I just think there should still be some level of integrity to the game because preselecting a winner is way less interesting.
 
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I think there's more going on but that's just me.

Oh there is. But it's something I found weird. She was 23 at when she did Fishtank and was a neet. I don't know how you could be out of school for five years and not hold down some sort of job. Something about female neets is unsettling to me more than male neets.
 
Maybe Because this is out of context for me but her shaking a baby doesn't seem like it's that bad just because the sabotage route is always a route.

I thought that I heard that she kind of got dog piled on? Was this before or after her villain arc?
Up to this point the show had been fairly mundane and nobody really knew challenge strategy etc. so it was shocking at the time, a lot of S1 is like that, stuff that was the most insane shit ever if you watched it live but watching it with 5 seasons of Fishtank in the past it doesn't hold up as well. S1 OGs know what I'm talking about. You just had to be there.

Letty got dogpiled because of her villain arc, the baby shaking incident did not go unnoticed because Sam(?) made a point to call Letty out on it with every fish present, at the time everyone was mad at him for seemingly cucking content but with hindsight I think it was done more to establish her as a true villain to the rest of the fish, which was the best story of the season. There was also a "scream at Letty" fishtoy that helped to turn up the heat.
 
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