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N Space said:
I read the OP like three times and I still don't know what the hell you meant, even so, I'll still ask you to rephrase the question but instead of referencing the bible, talk about some other religious text like the vedas, the quoran, the torah or others.
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I’m saying disregard the Bible completely, why do celebrities and politicians partake in devil worship if it has no meaning. I’m just asking for an atheists point of view. Not some religious debate on the Bible. Just their view on it.
 
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You’re really going to debate that mainstream Hollywood isn’t rife with scandals of devil worship at LA parties?
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I could do that, but I also said specifically that I wasn't because that's less interesting unless you're going to the level of saying it is literally everybody. For the sake of argument, we assume that sam smith and doja cat are devil worshippers. Well, how do they compare to the presumably far larger pool of devil worshippers total? Are devil worshippers disproportionately successful, or are they successful at regular rates? Are there potentially other tangible factors that account for this? Your premise is just bad statistics. You've identified the conclusion you want and you're working backwards to make it fit. And again, even if there was a correlation that still would not imply anything supernatural, because getting perks by sucking up to the top brass is a tale as old as time.

why do celebrities and politicians partake in devil worship if it has no meaning
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Like I said, much of the same reasons people partake in regular religions. Group formation, community building, personal satisfaction, and inborn predisposition.
 
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AirdropShitposts said:
Is it not?
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I notice an insane amount of people on twitter who are atheist who also support palenstine and their struggle. Do they know Islam isn’t a religion you choose by choice most of the time and that you’re forced to practice is? I know it’s a bit off topic but I notice this trend a lot with the atheist community on twitter.
 
Lurkbot Prime said:
I could do that, but I also said specifically that I wasn't because that's less interesting unless you're going to the level of saying it is literally everybody. For the sake of argument, we assume that sam smith and doja cat are devil worshippers. Well, how do they compare to the presumably far larger pool of devil worshippers total? Are devil worshippers disproportionately successful, or are they successful at regular rates? Are there potentially other tangible factors that account for this? Your premise is just bad statistics. You've identified the conclusion you want and you're working backwards to make it fit. And again, even if there was a correlation that still would not imply anything supernatural, because getting perks by sucking up to the top brass is a tale as old as time.
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Okay taking everything you just said in regard you never gave an answer to the actual question. Why would someone who makes millions of dollars choose to parktake in devil worship? They have money what gain do they have? And clearly you haven’t viewed much of Doja cats content. On a live stream recently she very adamantly admitted she was a devil worshipper and has shaved her head and has been acting erratically on livestreams.
 
The vast majority of religious people are whatever religion their parents are. As it turns out, your upbringing has a significant impact on how your life will go. Not being specifically chosen is not a quality unique to Islam at all. I'd also imagine that Palestinian support is less about being big Islam fans and more about not being fans of what Israel's done to them. That's also just not a response to AirdropShitposts implicitly saying devil worship is still seen as weird anyways.

Okay taking everything you just said in regard you never gave an answer to the actual question
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It's in the second half of that post, and also an earlier post on this thread, but for a third time: Group formation, community building, personal satisfaction, and inborn predisposition, which are factors for participation in any religion at all.
 
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KiwiSuperPowerUser said:
I’m saying disregard the Bible completely, why do celebrities and politicians partake in devil worship if it has no meaning. I’m just asking for an atheists point of view. Not some religious debate on the Bible. Just their view on it.
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Perhaps for the same reason they liked to visit Epstein Island? I really don't know and I don't know why you expect atheists to know the answer.
 
Lurkbot Prime said:
The vast majority of religious people are whatever religion their parents are. As it turns out, your upbringing has a significant impact on how your life will go. Not being specifically chosen is not a quality unique to Islam at all. I'd also imagine that Palestinian support is less about being big Islam fans and more about not being fans of what Israel's done to them. That's also just not a response to AirdropShitposts implicitly saying devil worship is still seen as weird anyways.


It's in the second half of that post, and also an earlier post on this thread, but for a third time: Group formation, community building, personal satisfaction, and inborn predisposition, which are factors for participation in any religion at all.
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If you’re an NPC maybe. I’ve met tons of people who went to church and don’t believe anymore so that’s a shit observation. And how can you support a Regime and a religion (everyone In Palestinian is Muslim) that hates Gays, hates anyone who doesn’t believe in Islam and will stomp out any dissent in their religion? It’s the biggest hypocrisy ever from leftists and atheists.
 
N Space said:
Perhaps for the same reason they liked to visit Epstein Island? I really don't know and I don't know why you expect atheists to know the answer.
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They don’t see a weird correlation between the Bible and the stories told in it and our modern day life? I mean given atheists have read the Bible which I guess a large majority have not
 
I’ve met tons of people who went to church and don’t believe anymore so that’s a shit observation.
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And I've met tons of people who went to church and still believe so I guess our personal anecdotes cancel out and we're back at square one. Given this statement OP is probably just posting bait but for the sake of anyone else who more sincerely has questions about this sort of a thing here's a source actually talking in terms of how more people than ever before are leaving their childhood religion behind, and still coming up with a number of about 81% retention. This is also in the rapidly secularizing USA and doesn't factor in nations with national religions and such. It's not really a personal anecdote type of thing, it's just kinda how it is.
And how can you support a Regime and a religion (everyone In Palestinian is Muslim) that hates Gays, hates anyone who doesn’t believe in Islam and will stomp out any dissent in their religion? It’s the biggest hypocrisy ever from leftists and atheists.
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It's generally from interpreting the existence of Israel as what's effectively an apartheid state that's a lasting effect of imperialism/colonialism (thanks Britain). I think among that crowd people are less pro sharia law and more anti whatever you call what Israel is doing with their Arab minority population.
 
Lurkbot Prime said:
And I've met tons of people who went to church and still believe so I guess our personal anecdotes cancel out and we're back at square one. Given this statement OP is probably just posting bait but for the sake of anyone else who more sincerely has questions about this sort of a thing here's a source actually talking in terms of how more people than ever before are leaving their childhood religion behind, and still coming up with a number of about 81% retention. This is also in the rapidly secularizing USA and doesn't factor in nations with national religions and such. It's not really a personal anecdote type of thing, it's just kinda how it is.

It's generally from interpreting the existence of Israel as what's effectively an apartheid state that's a lasting effect of imperialism/colonialism (thanks Britain). I think among that crowd people are less pro sharia law and more anti whatever you call what Israel is doing with their Arab minority population.
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Again, another shit argument. How is what Israel is doing any worse than sharia law? That’s what you’re advocating for when you defend Hamas or Palestinian government. I think you would rather live in Israel as an atheist than in Palenstine I would 100% bet that unless you want to take a trip off a high roof or take some stones to the skull. Tell them you won’t believe in allah but support their struggle against israel and see how they treat you. Also you’re the one arguing in complete bad faith. You give off heavy Hasan typical viewer vibes.
 
Hardline Traditionalist said:
If the bible is correct, then devil worship is pointless cause devil is the father of lies and will merely trick you into worshiping him without giving anything in return.
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Where did you get that from the Bible? Lol he tried to give Jesus earth and all of its people to Betray god. Do you not know the story of jesus being tempted in the desert? Or the fall of Satan? He controls this world. Typical atheist lol
 
Like I said, that's what I think their position is. I'm pretty sure they'd tend to just argue that Palestine existing as a separate entity would not lead to Sharia, but you'll have to go ask them. Not sure where you're getting the idea I'm arguing in bad faith from, the closest I can even think of is just copying your own argument to show how it's not very strong.
 
KiwiSuperPowerUser said:
Sam smith dressing up as the devil and having demons dance around him as he crossdressed on the biggest celebrity stage says a lot wouldn’t you agree? Also, you’re saying I “obviously believe why do atheist exist if religious people exist” isn’t my argument. I’m genuinely asking. Why do devil worshippers seem to attain money and stardom. Is it by random chance? Doja cat is another good example.
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Just on the off chance this isn't bait: No, they don't actually worship the devil. They're doing it to troll conservative Christians. "You call us Satanic? Not only are we not offended by that, we think it's a compliment! Look, here's a music video where I suck Satan's dick!". It's a similar train of thought as to why they call themselves "queer" when that was previously an insult directed at them. It also falls in line with their mockery of Christianity in general, like the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence.

Do I like the fact they do this? No, I think it's juvenile and obnoxious. But do I think they're being sincere? No, of course not.
 
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Beautiful Border said:
Just on the off chance this isn't bait: No, they don't actually worship the devil. They're doing it to troll conservative Christians. "You call us Satanic? Not only are we not offended by that, we think it's a compliment! Look, here's a music video where I suck Satan's dick!". It's a similar train of thought as to why they call themselves "queer" when that was previously an insult directed at them. It also falls in line with their mockery of Christianity in general, like the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence.

Do I like the fact they do this? No, I think it's juvenile and obnoxious. But do I think they're being sincere? No, of course not.
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Yeah nice troll making yourself look like a total freak and weirdo completely humiliating yourself and giving a terrible view of gay people in general. That’s such a shit argument lol.
 
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The Palestine thing is pretty off topic but I guess this is a deep thoughts thread and it's OP derailing his own thread so who gives a shit. I'd imagine that the effectively stateless nature of Palestinians stuck in Gaza contributes to such sentiments. Theoretically if you flipped a switch and suddenly Muslims owned the land and kicked all the Jews out, they'd still have somewhere to go. They're perfectly capable of leaving, and there's tons of countries that will take them. Until fairly recently the US had more Jews than Israel itself did, even. The Palestinians currently stuck in Gaza aren't really wanted by surrounding Muslim nations and they're certainly not wanted by Israel. They don't have the money to go anywhere richer, so they're kind of out of luck. Your more lefty types will look at this and home in on the class corelation as well as the standard oppression of brown people overtones and there you go.
 
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