Forbidden knowledge thread - For things they don't want you to know, but you do know, and now we want to know

[Ewan McGregor]

I've heard that smoking weed permanently alters speech patterns and makes your speech more monotone which I've noticed in people before and I'm sure that isn't the only thing.

Some of the studies I linked point in that direction, though, to be fairly honest with you, researchers often lack imagination, or their funders do.

Only stuff that is funded gets researched, and researchers don't have a lot of agency about what they research, so there are huge gaps in knowledge, and, many times, these are intentional.

This is a huge problem.

 

[Londo]

Good for you, then just give niggers their pills and let science to actual scientists.

Okay google user.

For one, there isn't a definitive causation between THC and schizophrenia, despite the common public narrative. THC can't just randomly cause schizophrenia - that was disputed and refuted a long time ago. The same uptake in drug use with those with schizophrenia can be seen across numerous substances, not just THC.

Schizophrenia is something that has physiological markers such as differences in brain scans of patients with schizophrenia and typical general population.

Should you allow children to smoke the shit? No. That's likely to lead to developmental issues. There is zero evidence from the widespread consumption within adults post-legalisation that shows any increase in the increase in psychosis or schizophrenia.

It is old, outdated science that frankly didn't have very good foundationary origins to begin with. There isn't some conspiracy among researched and governments to somehow push cannabis to the population.

 

[Ewan McGregor]

Okay google user.

Yea, Mr. Nurse.

I love how you people, "health professionals", parade yourselves as authorities when you have nothing to do with the actual science. All you read are 'guidelines' and 'digests' and shit that is fed down to you and you take it always as Word of God, and none of you can read a scientific paper to save your lives.

Yeah, you did such a number in 2020 I cannot fathom how anybody can still take you seriously.

Proof being that you believe using Google Scholar is illegitimate.

LOL

LMFAO even.

 

[Londo]

Yea, Mr. Nurse.

I love how you people, "health professionals", parade yourselves as authorities when you have nothing to do with the actual science. All you read are 'guidelines' and 'digests' and shit that is fed down to you and you take it always as Word of God, and none of you can read a scientific paper to save their lives.

Yeah, you did such a number in 2020 I cannot fathom how anybody can still take you seriously.

Proof being that you believe using Google Scholar is illegitimate.

LOL

LMFAO even.

You can be as condescending as you'd like,, that doesn't make you correct.

Google Scholar? My dude the studies aren't hard to find. They're not hard to look at. You're selectively picking old studies to further your argument while ignoring the newer ones.

You legitimately sound like a mad conspiracy nut. What the hell does covid have to do with this?

 

[Ewan McGregor]

Google Scholar? My dude the studies aren't hard to find. They're not hard to look at. You're selectively picking old studies to further your argument while ignoring the newer ones.

Geez, OK I'l bite

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41386-024-01891-6

This one's from a month ago

Overall, these results challenge the assumption that CBD can make cannabis safer, as CBD did not attenuate THC effects (and in some cases potentiated them); furthermore, they show that cannabis causes similar disruption to resting-state connectivity in the adolescent and adult brain.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/dar.13786

Leafs say legalising cannabis increase consumption, I thought that was false too?

Long-term trends over the two decades of observation indicated that cannabis initiation decreased and then increased (p = 0.0220), any cannabis use decreased and daily cannabis use decreased (p < 0.0001 and p = 0.0001, respectively) and cannabis dependence remained unchanged (p = 0.1187). However, in comparisons between the pre-cannabis legalisation period (2001–2017) and the post-cannabis legalisation period (2019), cannabis legalisation was not associated with cannabis initiation (odds ratio; 95% confidence interval 1.00; 0.79–1.27), but it was associated with an increased likelihood of any cannabis use (1.31; 1.12–1.53), daily cannabis use (1.40; 1.09–1.80) and cannabis dependence (1.98; 1.29–3.04).

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/16066359.2023.2221029

Most (66.4%) participants reported no perceived risk of harm associated with occasional cannabis use, whereas 30.1% reported no perceived risk of harm associated with regular cannabis use. Findings indicated a significant indirect effect between perceived risk of harm and cannabis use frequency through cannabis PBS, b = −10.23, SE = 3.80, 95% CI [−17.67, −2.80], p = .007.

You didn't answer my question, do you consume cannabis?

https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/psychiatry/articles/10.3389/fpsyt.2023.1343884/full

SPICE-users showed more severe and persistent positive symptoms, while negative symptoms were mostly represented among non-users. Non-users showed better recovery than SPICE-users in global functioning. All groups showed a decrease in both ASI scores and subscale scores. SPICE-users exhibited higher global AS scores and less improvement in this aspect compared to other groups.

So, you say there is a physiological aspect of Psychosis that is potentiated by Cannabis, and that people that doesn't have that physiological predisposition are safe. Except they are not, because Cannabis alters the brain physiologically

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/02698811241235204

Cannabis users had weaker theta switch cost responses in the dorsolateral and dorsomedial prefrontal cortices, while nonusers showed the typical pattern of greater recruitment during switch relative to no switch trials. In addition, theta activity in the dorsomedial prefrontal cortex was significantly correlated with cannabis use involvement.

Cannabis users exhibited altered theta switch cost activity compared to nonusers in prefrontal cortical regions, which are critical for cognitive flexibility. This activity scaled with cannabis use involvement, indicating a link between cannabis use and aberrant oscillatory activity underlying cognitive flexibility.

You acknowledge that it does impact a developing brain, but you somehow deny that it does impact a developed brain.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/add.16517

Use of high-potency cannabis appears to be associated with increased likelihood of psychotic experiences.

Another leaf paper

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/07067437241232901

A total of 2448 consultations for a psychotic episode (1254 before legalization and 1194 after) were analyzed (Table 1). We observed no differences regarding the gender and age distribution before versus after legalization nor any difference in the proportion of cases with cannabis consumption (36% before vs. 37.7% after). Comparisons of this proportion in subgroups defined according to gender or age yielded no significant differences although there were small increases within the 18–30 age subgroup (cannabis use = 55.0% before legalization vs. 61.3% after; P = 0.0. Among first-episode psychosis (FEP), there was also a small but nonsignificant increase in proportion (42.9% before, 47.9% after, P = 0.29). Interestingly, there was an increase in the percentage of FEP postlegalization (16.9% before, 21.5% after, P = 0.02) and in the percentage of FEP cases with cannabis use (7.3% before, 10.3% after, P = 0.05).

There isn't some conspiracy among researched and governments to somehow push cannabis to the population.

Oh, so I am to assume that there is no relationship between Big Pharma's investment on Cannabis and Hallucinogens for Psych Meds and the recent flooding of papers about how weed and shroom is going to end all sort of mental health issues?

You legitimately sound like a mad conspiracy nut. What the hell does covid have to do with this?

That you are idiots that would change opinion on stuff as soon as your 'guidelines' do with no critical thinking whatsoever.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

Any substance like THC or shrooms that have hallucinogenic-like effects risk permanently altering your brain and thinking patterns. The problem is when people smoke weed, what's actually brain damage isn't noticeable or even perceived or interpreted as brain damage. If you frequently smoked in college or high school, your brain has been permanently chemically altered just in small ways you don't necessarily realize. That's why weed makes people into such useless NEETS over time. They're too zonked out to do anything.

That's not saying much, almost any external input can cause permanent brain alterations and change your thinking patterns, that's just how the brain works.

Sugar, tea, coffee are all psychoactive and have noticeable effects on the brain. Even feeling strong emotions repeatedly can often have permanent brain alterations. Too much exposure to sunlight, or not enough exposure to sunlight, etc.

Also yes, saying "THC causes schizophrenia" is just boomer talk. If the last few years showed anything, it's that exposure to western media causes even more schizophrenia than THC.

 

[Party Hat Wurmple]

Also yes, saying "THC causes schizophrenia" is just boomer talk. If the last few years showed anything, it's that exposure to western media causes even more schizophrenia than THC.

Why do you think potheads are so retarded all the time? That brain fog eventually sticks around after awhile and stops going away. You just think you're becoming a lazy stoner as getting older and opposed to your brain just not functioning properly. You're so pozzed you don't understand what drugs actually do to you. Nobody with psychological issues ever thinks they have psychological issues.

Go smoke more nigga. It gives you the power to fight with HHH.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

Why do you think potheads are so retarded all the time? That brain fog eventually sticks around after awhile and stops going away. You just think you're becoming a lazy stoner as getting older and opposed to your brain just not functioning properly. You're so pozzed you don't understand what drugs actually do to you.

Go smoke more nigga. It gives you the power to fight with HHH.

Again, just because some people have weak constitutions and get a panic attack from drinking too much coffee/energy drinks or smoking too much weed doesn't mean everyone else is genetically inferior as such.

But if you have a legitimate medically diagnosed condition, best to avoid weed and other substances, yes. Self-diagnosed autism doesn't count.

Edit: For fun, see what effects another commonly used substance can have on those who are genetically predisposed to it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caffeine-induced_anxiety_disorder

 

[Kiwi Sneed Snake]

Also, think of how people smoke weed. Do you think those cheap plastic or glass pipes and bowls from the gas station are safe? Or that burning the cheap papers has no negative effects? The reality is the LARP that weed is safe, is fucking not true. No drug is safe. They're lying to you and always have been. That goes double for you faggots who have been microdosing shrooms.

I think you make some good points here, most people don't consider pipe screens/gauze either, your pretty much smoking metal. Although I would say using a glass pipe/bong or whatever is far better than plastic or skins. Your right no drug is safe including alcohol and tobacco. I think another big one people miss too is perscription drugs.

On another note I would point out that consumed quantity is a big thing too. I've known people who smoke over an ounce a week no problem and others who get high every day and don't go through more than an 1/4 a week. Thats like one gram a day vs 4.
Now a single cigarette is around 1 to 1.2 grams of tobacco. So if someone's smoking a 20 deck a day their consuming far more burning plant material than someone who smokes a few grams over a whole day.

I've also noticed that the stoners I know while their house stinks of weed when there smoking there's no smell after they let it air out.
Where as every smoker I know's house stinks of cigarette smoke even if they can't smell it. Also weed smoke doen't tend to turn the tops of peoples walls/curtains yellow etc which makes me think its probably not as bad/toxic compared to tobacco smoke?

edit - spelling

 

[Party Hat Wurmple]

Where as every smoker I know's house stinks of cigarette smoke even if they can't smell it. Also weed smoke doen't tend to turn the tops of peoples walls/curtains yellow etc which makes me think its probably not as bad/toxic compared to tobacco smoke?

You ever clean out the inside of a computer of a weed smoker? It's not pretty.

 

[Kiwi Sneed Snake]

You ever clean out the inside of a computer of a weed smoker? It's not pretty.

No I've not, but I can imagine it's not pretty especially if there sitting right beside the thing basically blowing into it.

That would be a good test actually. Three PC's and have each be blown into, one with cigarette smoke, one with weed smoke and the final one vape fumes.

I've heard vape fumes leave the insides of PC's sticky from a few youtube vids so fuck knows that that stuff does to the insides of your lungs.

 

[TittlyWinks ;)]

All street lights should be purple. I drove down a main road late at night once and the lights had turned purple, it looked awesome and was gentle on the eyes

Don't have any of those in my area (too backwoods semi rural) but being visually challenged with really obnoxious light sensitivity purple lights sound great. But how effective are they for actually like... seeing stuff? I'm imagining something like purple lights in a rave, but they're probably a bit more luminous than those right? Will a drunken pedestrian wearing all black at night be visible when they stumble towards your car?

 

[NoReturn]

Don't have any of those in my area (too backwoods semi rural) but being visually challenged with really obnoxious light sensitivity purple lights sound great. But how effective are they for actually like... seeing stuff? I'm imagining something like purple lights in a rave, but they're probably a bit more luminous than those right? Will a drunken pedestrian wearing all black at night be visible when they stumble towards your car?

Ironically, you'd have an easier time seeing the pedestrian with the old lights than the new. The stark contrast with the bright-whites means anything outside the bright zone is now extra-dark because your eyes can't see into it. A drunk pedestrian would be invisible until they got into the light so there would be less time for your brain to register their existence before they stumbled into the road.

 

[Brenda Holiday]

Don't have any of those in my area (too backwoods semi rural) but being visually challenged with really obnoxious light sensitivity purple lights sound great. But how effective are they for actually like... seeing stuff? I'm imagining something like purple lights in a rave, but they're probably a bit more luminous than those right? Will a drunken pedestrian wearing all black at night be visible when they stumble towards your car?

I personally could see very well, not any worse than your average street light
The lights were only purple that night as far as I know unfortunately, I guess the town fixed it asap

 

[ATI Escapee]

No I've not, but I can imagine it's not pretty especially if there sitting right beside the thing basically blowing into it.

That would be a good test actually. Three PC's and have each be blown into, one with cigarette smoke, one with weed smoke and the final one vape fumes.

I've heard vape fumes leave the insides of PC's sticky from a few youtube vids so fuck knows that that stuff does to the insides of your lungs.

Family member always complaining about a weird film or residue messing up their visibility on their windshield when driving. Rode with him one day and he is blowing the fattest vape clouds in the car with the windows up and ac on recirculate (thought I was going to barf from the sickly sweet thick vanilla cupcake lung juice I was having to inhale) and I learned why everything in the car was sticky that day

 

[Your Starter for 10]

Start your own faggot drug thread you dumb niggers. This is for hilarious and awesome shit people don't want you to know.

 

[Executive Petrel]

Over 90 percent of trisomy 13 and 18 cases are dead before their first birthday.

It's the jews fault the other 10 percent survive.

 

[Mr Bones Wild Ride]

Start your own faggot drug thread you dumb niggers. This is for hilarious and awesome shit people don't want you to know.

Agree with this.
If you want to debate weed then please make a post in Mass Debates or something.

Also @Ewan McGregor, I am not trying to attack you or pick a fight so I hope the below isn't interpreted that way.
I'm just asking you to be mindful to not fall into "appeal to authority" fallacies/pitfalls either.

I haven't looked at the studies you've posted in depth because I am unwell/need to rest.
However, posting endless studies/snippets of studies as some kind of proof/own is the same thing that trannies have been doing for years - "Look here at this study that shows whatever we are claiming at the time! Look at it!"

I notice one of your articles references SPICE (or synthetic cannabinoids) which is a completely different kettle of fish to naturally occurring ones. In order to circumvent the laws around prohibited substances, drug manufacturers/clandestine labs will fuck with the chemical properties of cannabinoids, amphetamines etc.
Even having basic chemistry knowledge will tell you this is a VERY bad thing as small changes in chemical formulas or chemical structures often fundamentally change the behaviour of the compound and how it will be metabolised/processed by the body.

As a scientist then you should know that all fields are incredibly pozzed, that there is heavy pressure to publish results that CONFIRM a hypothesis as opposed to ones that don't, and that a requirement for a lot of undergraduate/PhD students is to publish X number of papers in order to get their degree. Studies also aren't being replicated probably or tested etc.

Again, I am not claiming that this is the case for your studies etc but posting walls of texts as proof doesn't automatically validate your argument as true anymore than @Londo's clinical experience automatically validates his.

I think you should make a debate thread/deep thoughts thread etc about this though. It's something you appear to be passionate about/interested in. It's also a very interesting topic and likely to generate a lot of discussion.
You can report the posts here or make a TTS to ask a janny to move them for you if you don't want to type this all out again

I do not smoke weed regularly if you or anyone else is wondering so I am not saying any of the above to justify personal usage. I will (to my own detriment) have some if it is offered when I am already inebriated but I do not like it and it does not agree with me at all.

 

[Ewan McGregor]

I do agree with your points, @Mr Bones Wild Ride

I am not really interested in having a debate over this, since I'd struggle with not PLing.

I'm passionate about it because people hooked on the drug and those interested in pushing the drug are colluding in dishonesty.

I don't think so high of papers, to be honest, for the reasons I have been writing during the discussion.

I am extremely distrustful of the concerted efforts to whitewash this particular drug and, through it, drugs in general, and I have noticed how, even works that hints at negative effects, are very careful to undermine themselves through the usual dumb sciencespeak disclaimer.

Also, obviously, I wouldn't do a literature review just to win an Internet fight, because I don't have the resources to do it nor it's worth my time. It took me quite an awful lot to haphazardly compile all those papers. I just posted works that hint at what other users just have noticed by mere observation.

I have purposefully avoided the already existing thread about this as I have purposefully avoided the abortion topic, my opponents are emotionally invested in their position and won't think rationally so it's moot.

 

[PunkinMan]

Weed actually has severe effects on health. The efforts to downplay the destructive effects of weed are now being used for harder drugs for whatever reason.

I've posted this before, but admittedly not while sober. Regardless I have been a smoker for 7+ years ATM, and sometimes when I smoke I do get schizophrenic symptoms like blatant halucinations or things that just dont exist, when you are a heavy smoker, say you smoke 3.5g-7 grams a day, and you decide to quit like 2 or 3 months into it you will have serious withdrawl symptoms which will leave you bedridden sometimes for an entire week, and it 100% makes it so you will want to get back on it so you dont have to suffer because when you are on the couch in the fetile position, nausous, hungry but not starving, questioning if there is a god you will regret ever touching it in the first place. I would even argue that weed makes you more insufferable than alchohol, because I guaren-fucking-tee this is the first face you see when you think of weed.

Vs Alcohol ( me personally tho )