Formalizing the MAGA ideology - Discuss MAGA policies

MarvinTheParanoidAndroid

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Thank you to @Randall Fragg for giving me this idea.

Donald Trump's winning slogan "Make America Great Again" spoke to many people who were or at least felt like they were left behind on American soil. Places like the Rust Belt and Detroit were once manufacturing power houses of the United States, are now reduced to economic wastelands. Many hard working people rendered jobless, such as coal miners, wanted to be represented and to have not just their local economies reinvigorated but the entire U.S. to be reinvigorated.

There is a severe disconnect between America's representatives in Washington DC and the rest of the United States. The United States populace are neither heard nor served, meanwhile the Democrat globalist woke party are more than accommodating to foreign economic migrants waltzing across the Southern border illegally, meanwhile the Republican party sit on their laurels and are deliberately ineffective, lethargic and milquetoast in combating the terrible policies of the woke left, doing more to hobble MAGA Republicans in their own party than their alleged opponent Uniparty brothers in the Democrat party. The Republican party's self sabotage and history of sandbagging the American populace is in large part whey I decided to write this. Your current third parties are irrelevant and treated like a joke, with the Libertarian party being held in low regard (for some reason, all the ones brought to me are nonsense generalities) and the Green party is just an old-school version of the woke Democrat party. That's all before getting into globalist shills who are more loyal to the World Economic Forum than they are to the U.S.

So let us discuss policies we would like to be part of the MAGA ideology formally. I'll start with the obvious ones that most people agree upon.

Populism
The citizen comes before the foreigner. Citizens want their interests represented, not to have their problems be ignored and disregarded. That much seems to be anathema to the Uniparty, as it seems they find their own constituents contemptable at best and an active obstacle at worst. The Uniparty is more concerned with accommodating illegal immigrants than they are the very people who voted them into office. They're seemingly not at all interested in upholding decent standards of living for the average American but in siphoning economic value to people who don't even speak the language. The goal of the MAGA party should be to elevate the American people and not foreign interests. Any manufacturing that can feasibly be brought back to America should.

Border Control
The United States is overrun with illegal immigrants, to the point it reached its apex right after Joe Biden became *president, with literally millions of people crossing the border in mere months. The incomplete wall from the previous Trump administration did little but bottleneck the travel path illegal immigrants took into the United States. Having a rush of foreigners with no accountability whatsoever enter the country, especially from a neighboring country that's infamous for its ruthless cartels which are themselves infamous for drug trafficking and human trafficking, is a disaster unto itself, never mind both the foreseeable and unforeseeable consequences of letting it happen. It's to the point that people from other continents like Africa are using Mexico as a stopping point to enter the U.S. through a gap in the border wall. Democrats and RINOs both oppose the wall for the absurd reason it's racist to do otherwise, meanwhile nobody ever makes mention of the fact that Mexico has its own border wall to the South of their country that's enforced with armed guards. This unmitigated flood of non-citizens can't be allowed to continue.

Free Speech
We have the First Amendment, which prevents the Federal Government from acts of direct censorship of the dissident populace. However, the Uniparty has taken it upon themselves to use social media companies as their personal censorship apparatus and regularly ask for certain perspectives, politics and people to be censored or kicked off said sites. The Uniparty loathes the First Amendment and want it expunged, and are willing to do whatever shady, under the table garbage they have to in order to circumvent it. Politicians should not be able to strong arm, persuade or threaten social media companies into filtering only political perspectives they agree with, nor should foreign interests like the Sauds. No, this is not a call to abolish Section 230, which does more to protect social media users than it does social media companies. Donald Trump was wrong about Section 230.

Gun Rights
The Founding Fathers wanted United States citizens to own their own artillery. This is because they realize how instrumental private ownership of firearms is in achieving and maintaining freedom, to the point that Benjamin Franklin donated his own collection of cannons to the war effort. The propensity of gun ownership toward individual liberty is the chief reason the Uniparty, Democrats in particular, hate gun ownership. Due to technological reasons, being able to stand up to tyranny is arguably more important now than it was then. The rules of mutually assured destruction scale down to the citizenry with guns, meaning that an armed society is a polite society. The good guy with a gun is not a myth. Self defense is fundamental to the American way of life and Kyle Rittenhouse did nothing wrong.

Privacy, Anti-Surveillance & Small Government
Shrink the bureaucracy, defang the Pretorian Guard. People should not be charged taxes specifically for transactions of $600, and the government has no place surveilling United States citizens, treating everyone as guilty until proven innocent and without just cause. The Patriot Act is an abomination with a loyalist sounding label. Life in the United States should not be a labyrinth of dos and don'ts with mutual contradictions in-between. The nanny state is antithetical to the United States. Dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery.

Oil, gas and nuclear power
Green energy, outside of nuclear power, is impractical, unreliable and inefficient. We should make it less difficult to drill oil and build refineries (without adding risk in furtherance to cause an accident, that is). Stop taxing oil and gas to death to create artificial scarcity to forcibly make non-nuclear green energy demand. Hindering oil and gas production only makes the United States, and the world at large, more poor. The goal of MAGA should be to elevate Americans, which the green push does not.

Anti de-banking
Banks should be legislated to be the same as landline companies, as neutral providers. Banks should not have the power to freeze bank accounts at the drop of a dime over a politically disagreeable idea. Banks are an integral part of society, more so than landlines are, yet they're used as a weapon against the general populace whenever a protest occurs. Canada and Brazil can attest to this. Banks should not function as a tool for the government nor should they act as their own government. Banks are not the thought police.

Payment Processor Neutrality
Payment processors like Visa and Mastercard are more powerful than banks are, and should especially be legislated as neutral providers. There's fewer of them and they practically control all commerce. The power they wield unilaterally is case enough to legislate that Crypto currency never be legislated. Payment processors need to be politically neutered, trust busted and absolved of their unilateral power to unperson those they personally disagree with. Payment processors are not the thought police.

Net Neutrality
Internet Service Providers and all functionaries of the Internet should be legislated to be neutral providers. The internet is similarly integral to every day life in much the same way, they should have the ability to throttle, hijack or otherwise meddle with legal websites like Kiwi Farms. ISPs and all the other facets of the Internet are not the thought police. No, this is not a call to abolish Section 230.

These policies are my two cents off the top of my head and I obviously can't cover everything. Please feel free to add your pet MAGA policies to the discussion. I'll eventually add a poll so everyone can vote on policy by priority.
 
Just like Americans are mutts genetically, they’re mutts politically as well. They pick and choose political ideas and values at random and mash them together.

Trying to define Trump voters as a single ideology, even the most core group isn’t going to really be possible, their beliefs are just too broad

MAGA really seems to mean what a given individual wants it to mean and not much more.
 
nice effort post, but personally, I think formalizing the ideology is pointless since whatever sentiment the term "MAGA" is vaguely gesturing at is, by nature, highly informal. if there is any core value at all, you could call it reactionary anti-elitism. the exact borders of it seem to shift almost daily, and vary wildly between person besides, because it's not a well-organized method of thought, it's a cultural backlash against intellectual oppression. and as the perpetrators of that oppression shift their rhetoric and tactics, so too does the opposition to it.
 
I think you could make Trumpism its own technical political ideology, though I am not sure if "MAGA" itself could be. It's too broad, maybe it could fall under some kind of umbrella of Right-Wing Populism?
 
It's not really an ideology. It's a general principle that the American government exists to serve the interests of Americans, and that it no longer does that. Not corporations. Not the GDP. Not some transcendent value. And definitely not NGOs, the UN, the IMF, immigrants, foreign entities of any kind.

The opposite of MAGA isn't even globalism per se. The opposite is the idea that government's first allegiance is to something higher than the people, and that if the people must be scolded, disciplined, or even replaced to serve that higher purpose, then that's what has to happen.
 
This is too long. Let's summarize.

I will attempt to provide criticism meant to be constructive. Will add some comments in grey.

@MarvinTheParanoidAndroid

Maga ideology formalized

Populism
Immigration should be sparse.
Things that can be manufactured in America should be.
America has problems of in many places poor living standards. American resources need to be spent on the American people.

Border Control
Illegal immigration is inhumane and exploitative. It should be stopped.

Free Speech
We should strengthen free speech.
American Free speech is currently in many ways circumvented trough technicalities.
We should keep Section 230 as it is critical to allow for free social media platforms.

Missing: Why is free speech good? Why is it needed?

Gun Rights
Gun ownership is needed for self defense and as a check against tyranny.

Missing: What's the policy? Expand or retain gun control? What do you actually want?

Privacy, Anti-Surveillance & Small Government
People should not be charged taxes for transactions of 600.
Surveillance of an individual should require a court order. (or something else?)
Dismantle the Patriot Act because it is bad (why is it bad? What does it say and how is it bad?)
Shrink the bureaucracy (this is vague and unspecified)

Oil, gas and nuclear power
Green energy, outside of nuclear power, is impractical, unreliable and inefficient. (can you back these claims up?)
Make it less difficult to drill oil and build refineries, but keep safety regulations.
Tax oil and gas less (or not at all?) in order to combat poverty.
Environmental policies often causes poverty, and fails to address this in a satisfactory manner. (again can these claims be backed up somehow?)

There are a lot of claims in this section, it would be good to have more underlying assurances as to why you believe them to be correct.


Anti de-banking
Banks should be legislated to be neutral providers of services.
Banks are as integral as utilities and like them should be legally required to be non-political and not to discriminate based on politics.
Banks should be forbidden to freeze your accounts. (This was an issue in Canada, is it an issue in America?)

Payment Processor Neutrality
Payment processors like Visa and Mastercard are more powerful than banks are, and should especially be legislated as neutral providers.
As there is fewer of them they wield to much power over online commerce. Payment processor companies should be trust busted and broken up.
Crypto should not be legislated.

Net Neutrality
Internet Service Providers and all functionaries of the Internet should be legislated to be neutral providers.
Do not remove Section 230 (ok but then what legislation is needed?)

Overall:

How much of the above is actually part of the Maga movement?
How much of the above is actually part of Maga republican's election platforms?
No section on education seems like an obvious and very large miss.


It's still long... maybe an introduction would be better. And then dig into it further.
 
I am not really a MAGA type being liberal but spending time on KF has made me far more sympathetic to many of its tenets. Mainly the protection of free speech, the idea that while I am okay with immigration the fact that it has become an agenda-driven nightmare is obvious, same with pushing homosexuality on children, and mainly just the fact that issues aren’t debatable anymore. Like I have beliefs but I also am always trying to be open to being wrong because humans often are. Will I see something that will make me into a nazi? Probably not but I sure don’t like the current Israeli government or assholes hiding behind the fact they are Jews to be assholes.

Anyway woke is bullshit and needs to die too bad I was too cucked to realize it earlier.
 
MAGA means different things to different people so the answer is going to be complex. Besides Hillary’s utter corruption and incompetence, Trump won 2016 due to two issues: immigration and trade. I’m sure the voters wanted to pay less taxes and have gun rights and all that but it was immigration and trade that won over the Rust Belt and the Upper Midwest. Removing those two planks makes it a neocohen or a conservatardian platform which has been part and parcel of the Gay Old Perverts since 1980. So it seems to me that populism towards immigration and trade makes the difference and therefore the most important part of the platform.
 
Just like Americans are mutts genetically, they’re mutts politically as well. They pick and choose political ideas and values at random and mash them together.

Trying to define Trump voters as a single ideology, even the most core group isn’t going to really be possible, their beliefs are just too broad

MAGA really seems to mean what a given individual wants it to mean and not much more.
One thing people of every political spectrum seem to have in common is that the majority have turned into tribalist retards that are unable to accept valid criticism.

Trying to tell a Trump supporter that he lured people into a trap by inviting them to DC on January 6 and telling them to peacefully march to the capitol and that hes going to join them, that he failed the same people by not doing enough to get them freed is getting the same reaction as telling a leftist commie troon that cutting off an underage girls breasts and putting them on puberty blockers is going too far.
 
Reminder that he lost the popular election twice, but yeah, I agree with the sentiment that he ultimately won the presidency by speaking to the voters who feel like they've been left behind by Washington DC. While he was talking jobs in the rust belt, Hillary was off doing whatever and thinking she could woman herself into the presidency with "It's Her Turn."

I really do feel for those people. Either they get fed empty promises by Republicans because they claim to be just like them, or they get stomped on by Democrats who call them low-education extremist terrorist bigoted bootlickers.

MAGA means different things to different people so the answer is going to be complex. Besides Hillary’s utter corruption and incompetence, Trump won 2016 due to two issues: immigration and trade. I’m sure the voters wanted to pay less taxes and have gun rights and all that but it was immigration and trade that won over the Rust Belt and the Upper Midwest. Removing those two planks makes it a neocohen or a conservatardian platform which has been part and parcel of the Gay Old Perverts since 1980. So it seems to me that populism towards immigration and trade makes the difference and therefore the most important part of the platform.

I seriously cannot remember the last time Trump made a major issue out of immigration. The Wall(tm) was one of the biggest parts of his original campaign and it was by far the thing that won most of his base over. Now all he can do is piss and shit on his Diet Twitter that he lost the election.
 
I thought it was "we are against Democrats opinions but for reelz this time". In the end there is no real ideology and that's why MAGA failed in 2020 and 2022. People are afraid of taking any right wing stance and just stick to liberal centrism and resistance to leftist talking point, the result is a grey blob of politics which quickly starves after the hypes wear out.
 
Banks should be forbidden to freeze your accounts. (This was an issue in Canada, is it an issue in America?)
I've always disliked this notion. Freezing of bank accounts wasn't a problem in Canada as well until it happened.
Making it illegal to freeze bank accounts without being charged with a crime heads off the issue before it can potentially become a problem.
If the government as so assured of illegal behaviour that they risk freezing your assets they should have the guts to put you on trial ahead of a jury as well.
 
I pretty much agree with every policy you've stated, although I am not a Trump supporter. It's funny to meme about him because it makes the libs mad, but he's just another president who failed to do anything he promised.
 
I pretty much agree with every policy you've stated, although I am not a Trump supporter. It's funny to meme about him because it makes the libs mad, but he's just another president who failed to do anything he promised.
Except build the wall, but I guess that doesn't count.
 
I've always disliked this notion. Freezing of bank accounts wasn't a problem in Canada as well until it happened.
Making it illegal to freeze bank accounts without being charged with a crime heads off the issue before it can potentially become a problem.
If the government as so assured of illegal behaviour that they risk freezing your assets they should have the guts to put you on trial ahead of a jury as well.
There's no notion here, there's a question. This is supposed to provide an overview of Maga, but one of the points is clearly inspired by a recent Canadian incident. If it's about clarifying Maga then it should also clarify why that is also an American issue such as by clarifying that American banks also can freeze your accounts, explain how and show examples of it happening.
 
There's no notion here, there's a question. This is supposed to provide an overview of Maga, but one of the points is clearly inspired by a recent Canadian incident. If it's about clarifying Maga then it should also clarify why that is also an American issue such as by clarifying that American banks also can freeze your accounts, explain how and show examples of it happening.
We shouldn't have to wait for the problem to emerge before trying to solve it. An example of it happening to an American is Kanye West.
 
We shouldn't have to wait for the problem to emerge before trying to solve it. An example of it happening to an American is Kanye West.
Giving people a clear overview of your positions is a good idea.
In order to make that overview clearer, it would be a good idea to explain things in a manner that is succinct yet carries necessary information.
For example if you reference an issue in another country it is a good idea to show how that also applies to your country.

As for Kanye, I can only recommend to watch the most recent MATI stream once it goes back up.
 
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