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Bye Formula 1, cause of death: chasing the "wider audience".
F1 already was at maximum popularity everywhere outside North America in the 2000's and it was because you could just tune in on a sunday without having to pay some sleazy TV company 40 € a month for the privilege of watching cars go wroom. They should not do what NASCAR did and do stupid bullshit gimmicks because that cheapens the product. The format of a weekend was already perfect, with long FP sessions on friday, one FP before quali, and the race on sunday. Trying to change this will not work because all you're doing is messing with something that has worked fine for the past 30+ years.

If anything, all they are doing is exhaust and oversaturate the audience. Shorter races will not solve anything because the problem is the tires being cheese and nobody wanting to take risks. And if the organizers want more action on saturday and sunday, get some support races going.
 
Bye Formula 1, cause of death: chasing the "wider audience".
It's amazing that they're "giving the audience what they want" without actually giving them what they want, which is smaller cars that can pass, less shitty oil sheikh and mediocre street circuits, and racing in the rain.
They should not do what NASCAR did and do stupid bullshit gimmicks because that cheapens the product.
F1 had plenty of time to look at NASCAR and its decline to see what not to do. They got rid of historic tracks for mediocre ones near big cities, then introduced gimmick after gimmick after gimmick. The result? No "wider audience". Instead, their core audience stopped watching. People just considered their championship illegitimate. They kept doubling and tripling down on their gimmicks, insisting it was what their fans want when what everyone actually wanted was to get rid of playoffs and stages. Even though they're finally waking up to the fact that things like Darlington and North Wilkesboro are what will actually bring people back, they still can't resist trying to court that "wider audience", as proven by the Chicago debacle that they and the media try to sell as the greatest thing ever, despite everyone who I've actually spoken to at the tracks thinking it was garbage and the fact that they're not going there anymore because of costs.

People were actually drawn to F1 in the first place because it wasn't gimmick-packed. It's what enabled it to challenge the good ol' boy monopoly that ruled American racing. If they want to go down the same path, people will stop watching. But in the end, it won't matter to Liberty, they're getting paid.

This is true of all sports now. The fans, the people who watch and root for the teams, we're not the target market. The TV networks and advertisers are the target. They expect us to shut up, consume product, and get excited for next product. It makes me want to disconnect from it, but I can't find an alternative because all entertainment is like that these days.
 
Herta has been named Cadillac's development driver and is racing in F2 next season to try and get enough superlicence points.
 
Herta has been named Cadillac's development driver and is racing in F2 next season to try and get enough superlicence points.
I was hoping he'd just be a test driver instead of running the risk of getting smoked by 18-year-olds and/or getting Mecachrome'd.
 
I was surprised that Andretti/Cadillac did the smart thing with Herta, but of course they doubled down on doing the stupid thing. It's Andretti. Kind of expected.

Like I said before, it's a lose-lose situation for Herta. The bare minimum for him is a top 3 if not a championship. If he wins, well, he already has years of experience in a top-flight series and he's racing kids who are barely old enough to drink. If he loses, he's a fraud and Indycar by extension sucks. Just look at Miyata going from Super Formula's biggest talent to a bum who's bound for WEC purgatory in record time. If Herta does poorly and then gets to F1 anyways, Cadillac is going to get absolutely drug through the mud because the last driver who got promoted to F1 because of the right flag beside his name was a barrier-seeking missile who got the boot midseason because he just could not stop destroying cars.

If anything, it'll just make the Euro bias about Americans trying to go to F1 even worse.
 
Numbered days for the hybrids: https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/f1-accelerates-push-for-v8-engine-future/

F1 moves closer to V8 engine switch​

Formula 1 is accelerating moves towards a switch back to V8s with engine manufacturers called to a summit with the FIA after the Italian Grand Prix to discuss the plans.

Even while F1's next generation turbo hybrid power units for 2026 have not yet run in anger, there is a growing acceptance among grand prix racing's chiefs that a switch to fully sustainable fuels opens new opportunities for the longer term.

Amid concerns about the complicated technology and high costs of the new 2026 engine, momentum has been building for F1 to make a switch for the subsequent rules cycle.

While a plan earlier this year to consider V10 engines did not gather support among the current manufacturers, discussions have taken place over recent weeks about an alternative power unit plan to eventually replace the turbo hybrids.

The Race has learned that the leading idea now is for a 2.4-litre V8 internal combustion engine that will be run on fully sustainable fuel.

This will be bolstered by a simplified hybrid Kinetic Energy Recovery System (KERS) – which will mean the electrical contribution to the overall power output is reduced from the rough 50% in 2026 to around 10%.

The hope is that the less complicated engines, and the removal of heavy battery packs, will help trigger both a dramatic reduction in costs – potentially as much as 65% - but also help reduce weight.

Early figures have suggested that the proposed new era power units could be as much as 80kg lighter than what is coming next year.

FIA president Mohammed Ben Sulayem has made no secret of the fact that he wants F1 to embark on a new direction as he feels the turbo hybrids have hit the end of the road.

Speaking to The Race at the British GP in July, he said: "Now they can see, the teams and the PUMs [power unit manufacturers], that we cannot go on with this [current] engine.

"It is such a complicated engine with the MGU-H. It did its time, but did it reach to the expectation? In another three years, I hope it's an old engine, as it will be 15 years [since it was introduced in its first form]."

The timing issue​

While it is understood that the new V8 engine concept has growing support among teams and manufacturers as a long-term option, where there does appear to be less consensus is the timing of the switch.

The current plan, if nothing changes, is for the new turbo hybrids to run from 2026 until the end of 2030.

Ben Sulayem has however made no secret of the fact that he would like a change to happen earlier than this, so does not want to wait until 2031 for something new to be in place.

The Race understands that one of the main points of discussion that needs locking down is where support lies among teams and manufacturers in terms of timing.

While one idea is to make the change as early as 2029, sources suggest that a lot of manufacturers feel this is too early – so instead they would prefer to wait until 2030.

This is further backed up by a reality that a move to V8s would require all-new chassis regulations as well, so there is a reluctance to force another total revamp of rules so soon after the 2026 switch.

To help better gauge the feeling in the paddock, the FIA has called a meeting for September 11 with manufacturer and team representatives to discuss the issues at play and see what the next steps should be.

The idea of a future with V8s run on fully sustainable fuel does have support at a senior level, with F1 CEO Stefano Domenicali having long backed it.

Speaking to The Race before the summer break, Domenicali felt the combination of V8s, with sustainable fuel and some hybrid elements, would be perfect.

"Sustainable fuel, [and a] V8, I think is great. And hybridisation is, I do believe, the next step of the future," he said.

"But I don't want to take away the focus of next year's generation of regulation or power unit, because that will be wrong.

"So let's stay focused on what has to be developed in the next couple of years. And then I think that that's the future. I agree."
 
I'd say Jak Crawford has shown to be a worthy driver in F3 and F2, so given a seat I'd expect him to stay out of the barriers.
That's not going to happen, if it takes you 3 years to get competitive in F2 your best hope is a reserve. Pourchaire was hyped up, finally won the title in his 3rd year and got nowhere.
 
The other thing with Herta is his age.

Let's assume by some miracle Herta trounces F2 next year and looks like the new great hope and sensation and he is given the seat in 2027 (even though Bottas and Perez have 2 year contracts, but they mean nothing current era). He will be an F1 rookie at 27. Max and Antonelli were a decade younger when they started. And of course if he doesn't get a seat until 28 or 29, he getting older and older.

And with the recent trend of taking the younger drivers, both his age and (and I am assuming he is NOT going to trounce F2) him being chosen over likely a number of capable drivers who did better than him in the 2026 standings, would just be weird. Not to mention the amount of pressure he would no doubt face in the F1 world. Is he mentally tough enough for that? The Indy races I did watch over last couple years, if I recall, there were times he was both chill and raging when shit wasn't going right. So I am not sure of his overall mental fortitude when under pressure.

And let's be real, the recent batch of youths in the last decade have mostly performed quite well when they were given the F1 chance. Sure, a number were absolutely garbage and should have been gone quick like De Vries, but many have excelled to the point that you would be considered an idiot in my books if you took a 27 or 28 year old rookie over an 18 year old kid who just won or came in second in F2.

But I would be very surprised if the best case scenario happens and Herta is on the F1 grid at start of 2027. Basically all of the drivers coming up through F4, F3 and F2 now have been "groomed" so to speak. They have been fully immersed in the F1 racing culture from a very early age. So they have that adjustment factor already taken care of as they make their way from karting to the junior series. Herta doesn't have that. Sure he is a race winning driver in a high profile series, but that is on another continent with totally different tracks, cars, dynamics etc. He is getting plopped into the step below F1, against 20 drivers who as I said have been groomed to reach F1. Thats a hell of a challenge for him to succeed. I highly doubt he will. But then I thought Hadjar was too much of a hothead to do well and look how that didn't play out. Herta has the chance to be another bright light, but is he capable to pull it off?

When all the pundits at The Race say bad move to do F2, and that analysis was great, then I am leaning to them knowing what they are talking about.

I get the American team and the desire to get an American on the grid. But if Caddy was smart they would find 2 or 3 young Americans (say 14 or 15) RIGHT NOW who are doing well and look promising and get them into those "winter series" to hopefully start building their license points. Then maybe get them in F3 Regional series for full 2026 and see where they are at end of year. Promote the 2 best guys to regular F3 for 27 and maybe drop/replace the 3rd guy or give him another year in F3 Regional. And also keep finding new guys and following same path. That is the most likely way to get a good young driver from USA into F1 eventually.

Cadillac are taking a punt on Herta bucking the trend and, because he is already a seasoned Indy driver, he will do great in F2. Odds seem against that coming to fruition.
 
That's not going to happen, if it takes you 3 years to get competitive in F2 your best hope is a reserve. Pourchaire was hyped up, finally won the title in his 3rd year and got nowhere.
Pourchaire's problem was that he peaked when no seats were available and thus, has to join many other prospective drivers to be on the holding pattern until a seat shows up for him. People haven't forgotten about him. Now, if I had to guess how Jak gets a seat, somebody has to come with many briefcases full of real money to illustrate how profitable him driving for them is.
 
Pourchaire's problem was that he peaked when no seats were available and thus, has to join many other prospective drivers to be on the holding pattern until a seat shows up for him. People haven't forgotten about him. Now, if I had to guess how Jak gets a seat, somebody has to come with many briefcases full of real money to illustrate how profitable him driving for them is.
And that's the problem. He doesn't have money, he's too old, and he wasn't in a driver academy until recently. Personally, he's in the Doohan category of barely just not F1 material for me. Good in F2, but nothing to wow anyone.
 
Ferrari 1,2 this week boys. Hamilton to win. Forza italia!

lmao hamilton won't make it to q3 and neither car will probably finish the race
 
jobs done

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monza and monaco renewed until 2035 too. dunne in instead of piastri
 
The FP1 is not exactly a good sign of what's to come. Track's not rubbered in, complete different time then the real race. Though as a Ferrari fan I hope we get a repeat of last year with Leclerc nursing his car to victory. Hamilton has the problem with extra 5 positions in Qualifying which probably will put him behind the Williams. That sounds like fun racing behind the Blues for the entire race
 
I just watched the F1 movie.
What a stinker. Story mode in the F1 games has more depth.
"If we aren't fast enough on the straights, we just have to be faster in the corners, bro." F1 in a nut shell.

Or just ram people off track to force safety cars so your urban team mate gets a fresh set of tyres, you see, he has a fresh set of tyres because Martin Brundle tells you that he has a fresh set, unlike the others who do not have a fresh set. That's why he'll be faster than the others, because the tyres a fresh.

It looked pretty, I guess that is enough these days to make a billion dollars and gets masterpiece ratings from pajeets on IMDB.
And shout-out to Hamilton's Spotify playlist mimicking as a soundtrack. The auto tune rnb rounded up the experience.

It looked glossy though, so 9.5/10.
 
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