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Damnit weather you were supposed to make it interesting. Wet Spa is usually a glorious race, not that dry Spa is usually bad.
Formula 1 Discussion - And favourite driver?
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Leclerc and Gasly have been very good this year, squeezing so much out of their absolute dogs of cars.
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Bottas was far too kind there. He was right up Lewis' ass at au rouge but somehow nowhere near at le come. Almost as if they'd agreed/been told to do that earlier.
Oh look, fuck you Mercades and your obvious number 1, number 2 set up. "We let them race" my ass.
Oh look, fuck you Mercades and your obvious number 1, number 2 set up. "We let them race" my ass.
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Obviously Lewis is favoured by Mercedes but in his defence he is a better driver than Bottas.
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So that's the end of the race, everyone does their one stop, zero strategy difference.
I'm glad they're getting rid of the engine map game next race. Stop this nonsense "oh your teammate is on X and you're on y" messages or them deliberately borking one driver's race to favour their other driver while making them do their own fuel, performance and reliability management. I doubt it will switch up the field but it will make them work for it some more.
What a waste of one of the best tracks of the year. I'll bring my usual gripe about drs while I'm at it, manufactured "press this button to drive past the other car on the straight" is not an interesting feature. Who cares how good an entry and exit to the corner each driver gets that's too complicated for the mouth breathing idiots.
It's so disheartening that this is not only this season's cars but next season's too.
I bet the Ferrari team management are happy there's no fans for either of the Italian GPs otherwise they'd be meeting the same end a Mussolini.
I'm glad they're getting rid of the engine map game next race. Stop this nonsense "oh your teammate is on X and you're on y" messages or them deliberately borking one driver's race to favour their other driver while making them do their own fuel, performance and reliability management. I doubt it will switch up the field but it will make them work for it some more.
What a waste of one of the best tracks of the year. I'll bring my usual gripe about drs while I'm at it, manufactured "press this button to drive past the other car on the straight" is not an interesting feature. Who cares how good an entry and exit to the corner each driver gets that's too complicated for the mouth breathing idiots.
It's so disheartening that this is not only this season's cars but next season's too.
I bet the Ferrari team management are happy there's no fans for either of the Italian GPs otherwise they'd be meeting the same end a Mussolini.
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Ferrari struggles to keep up with Haas. Jesus. Also their strategists must be drinking themselves into an early grave, what point was there to the last Leclerc stop? Only surprise about that was they didn't do that nonsense to Vettel.
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Fantastic race from Ricciardo, though.
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Highpoint of the entire race, too bad he didn't get on the podium, he absolutely deserved it. Would only have been possible if a tyre blew on one of the top 3, though and only Hamilton would be deserving of that.
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There was one funny moment, when Vettel got overtaken by Raikönnen and it cut to Sainz just sitting in the pitlane, watching that overtake and facepalming.
Not the best time to switch to a Ferrari Cockpit.
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Completely agree, he definitely deserved it, would have been a great moment, I did think for a bit there that one of the Mercedes would be unlucky though.
Lmao that was pretty funny, I wasn't expecting Kimi to be as fast as he was, good on him. And on one hand, one's gotta feel a bit bad for Sainz, but on the other, I mean... It's Ferrari, they weren't exactly the epitome of competitiveness last year either.
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I was a bit hoping for a tyre blowing on one of the Mercedes, just to spice things up. But admittedly, on a course like Spa, that might happen at a part of the track where they go 300kmh, so rather than having a spectacle, I want everyone to cross the line safely. Was a bit afraid when that one crash happened earlier in the race, cause I couldn't tell it was two cars standing next to each other, so for a brief moment, I thought it was a completely mangled car. Nevertheless, an entire wheel broke off and hit another car, so that was an accident with a pretty good chance of going ugly if things had gone a little bit differently.
Also, it's true, even with their current weakness, there is worse teams to drive for than Ferrari. Sainz' payment isn't affected by their bad performance this season and there is a decent chance they'll be better in the future. But still, Sainz switches from a car that got to 7th place this race to a car that barely made 12th... that's a bit of a downer, Sainz undoubtedly expected to get a big career boost the moment he sat down in his new cockpit, now he might have to struggle more than with McLarren. That's sad.
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Absolutely, I agree, lest we forget Vettel's puncture at Spa in... 2015 I think, he didn't crash but it could have been bad. As for the big crash today, it definitely looked bad at first sight, real bad luck for Russell there, and Giovinazzi, I mean I really don't know, he crashed last year at the same section of the track.
And yeah, that's true about Sainz, and given that McLaren is gonna have Mercedes engines next year, maybe I'm a bit optimistic about their prospects, but unless Ferrari pull themselves together next year, it's not gonna be a pleasant year for Carlos imo.
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Next year is going to suck for Sainz (except in the bank ballance) but 2022 is a whole new rules generation and Ferrari are probably in a good place to develop a good car for then. Sainz getting in next season means he will be there to have some input into the new car much like Alonso turning up to Renault next season ready to develop for 2022.
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I have absolutely high hopes for 2022. Current F1 is kind of boring, cause it is always the same few teams up on top and I somewhat hope that F1 '22 will shake things up a little. Then again, Mercedes will most likely dominate once again... but y'know, mabye it'll be more interesting for the new technology alone. AFAIK, the new designs allow better aerodynamics for the one following the other car, so maybe we'll see overtaking outside of DRS zones. That would be cool.
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I would make the argument that Merc have been dominating or fighting amongst the top for near enough 25 years now, since they were working with Mclaren as an effective factory team all way back with Hakkinen through to when they came in under their own name in 2014 - which I accept that car was slow at first, but even then the Mclaren with the Merc powerpack was still very bloody quick. I don't get bothered so much by the dominance shown by Mercedes, it's a testament to the engineering work they're doing and it is very clearly showing. The boring comes from the lack of racing through the rest of the pack. For comparison, at Le Mans this year, I'm more interested to watch the P2 class and GTE Am than I am P1 because those classes have good racing, despite being slower (and particularly in the case of P2) inferior works of over-engineering madness like the Toyotas.
The new design is reducing aerodynamic downforce/grip and exchanging it with ground effect being far more open to development, to see the difference it makes look at the closer racing in (albeit spec series) F2 where the cars are extremely simple aero with more ground effect to hold them stable. The ground effect will enable cars to race side by side, more importantly than following as there won't be any wake/wash from either side (see side-drafting in NASCAR to demonstrate a simple form of it), which will make DRS less important if you can go side-by-side through the esses of Suzuka provided the track is wide enough, and of course if you're brave enough.
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Well that's the end of an era. I kinda hope the new owners change the name in the future. Yes, it's a shame to lose it but without Frank it's just a costume a new team is going to shamelessly wear purely for brand recognition.
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I watched an interview with Claire Williams at the beginning of the 2019 season, where she was asked about the impact that criticism had on her. She talked at some length about how it had affected her personally. I thought then, this is not the response of a team principle. She's seems nice, in front of the camera at any rate, in a sport where the movers and shakers wear their bastardry like cologne. She's had an uphill struggle, with battles behind the scenes, but the team never looked like it was doing anything other than treading water. It was a matter of time.
The romantic in me loves the idea of a team like Williams even being on the grid in 2020. I love that they gave Kubica a second swing of the bat. Even though that didn't work out, it did put to bed any "what if?" speculation.
Sadly the role of scrappy go-getter in F1 has been co-opted by the smaller corporate entities, where there is no family to muddy the waters.
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That Williams documentary from a couple years ago was very well done I thought. When they were talking about Frank's crash, the way they used jump edits during the telling fucking got me I have to admit! I was probably stoned but I wasn't ready for the visual mindtrip! I remember reacting like I was in the car with him! HAHAHAHA Still remember it quite vividly!
It is definitely one you should check out if you haven't. I can upload it somewhere if someone needs to see it and cant watch it for free. Quite heartwarming, sad, euphoric and interesting all at the same time. Guys like Frank, Jackie, Emo, Mario, Murray etc aren't going to be around for too much longer so gonna be lots of sad days ahead when they are gone.
It is definitely one you should check out if you haven't. I can upload it somewhere if someone needs to see it and cant watch it for free. Quite heartwarming, sad, euphoric and interesting all at the same time. Guys like Frank, Jackie, Emo, Mario, Murray etc aren't going to be around for too much longer so gonna be lots of sad days ahead when they are gone.
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Ferrari continues to disappoint. They managed to send out Leclerc in a pretty neat situation where he was able to take advantage of the traffic in front of him, then they send out Vettel into the thickest traffic shortly before the clock ran out. Ferrari really needs to sack their strategists.
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Looks like Honda engined teams have gone more conservative on engine modes. The Renault engined teams have taken a jump forward with McLaren appearing to be taking more risk on the mode than the Renault factory team, suggests the Renault engine has the crappiest "party mode". It will be interesting to see if all the engines survive tomorrow or if some have pushed it too high and are crossing their fingers.
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Mercs still almost a second faster than anyone else. I think this engine mode thing was not the silver bullet people thought it was gonna be.