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Welley well well that adds a bit of context to what Marzipan said on Russel's social media... the original has been deleted unfortunately.
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Wow, that's weird. I don't exactly understand what was said but something's afoot! Williams seat could go to highest bidder. I think Merc provides some incentive to Williams to let GR drive, whether it be engines free, salary or extra cash. If Mazepin's Dad is willing to pay any price to put Nikita in a seat, it's going to be either Haas or Williams. I think Latifi's father has probably paid a huge chunk too, so Merc may have a dilemma if they can't keep GR in a seat for 2021. I think Checo will go to Haas, be a bit of a shock if he or Hulk get a seat at RB. Hulk, with no major backing is most likely out in the cold if indeed Mazepin has purchased a seat.
Interesting times. Kimi is still not signed, I wonder if Mazepin's father would give him a bunch of cash to retire? And would Kimi take it? GR does not deserve to be replaced by NM. I rank him pretty highly, he seems to have a good head and is definitely a great driver. So, assuming RB keep Albon, Perez to Haas, Kimi stays and Mick comes in, that only leaves Williams. If Kyvat is out, it will be Yuki getting the drive, unless he fails miserably in last 2 races. I hope it doesn't play out like that, or else GR will be doing an Ocon2019 next year. Which will be fucking madness.
The crux of all this though, and it ties with my prior comment, F1 is becoming a playground for super-rich men to let their kids play in, which is another blight on the sport.
EDIT-Ok, had a toke and went looking for more shit about this. So, it appears Mazepin-Haas and it is Perez that may be the threat to GR's seat. Here is a French article just found, translated by G. I am going to look and see if I can find anything more about that Mazepin comment too. Will edit if locate anything.
Pérez would threaten Russell's wheel at Williams
By : Roberto Chinchero
Co-author: Basile Davoine
Oct 16, 2020 at 9:36 AM
Williams is reportedly seriously considering the possibility of signing Sergio Pérez for 2021, which would cost George Russell his place.
Surprising as it may sound, George Russell's Formula 1 future could dim considerably: the Williams driver's seat for 2021 would no longer be guaranteed. It seems the Briton will be forced to wait until the end of the month to find out what will happen when the new owners of the Grove team have made their position known.
In less than four months, Russell could go from being very close to a Mercedes steering wheel to going without a steering wheel next year. At the start of the summer, the 22-year-old driver was among the possible candidates to replace Valtteri Bottas in 2021, before the Finn was finally extended by Mercedes . During this period, Claire Williams did everything to keep her driver, relying on the contractual option held by the team for a third year with the protected of the firm to the star. As negotiations to sell the team were launched, Williams wanted to ensure the mid-term presence of a valuable asset. On July 16, the in 2021, claiming that a sale wouldn't change that.
Everything seemed to be going as planned for Russell, until Nikita Mazepin entered the dance of the drivers actively seeking a wheel in F1 for 2021. The profile of the Russian and his significant financial backers disrupted the negotiations which seemed to have started between Sergio Pérez and Haas F1 , the Russian being visibly on the way to securing his place in the American team. As of last weekend, Canal + also announced that the agreement was found. This is what led Pérez to seek a Plan B, which could lead him to Williams.
Ironically, Russell's seat at Grove is anything but insured, even though a contract was announced over the summer. Because the new owners could justify a reassessment of the agreement by the fact that it was concluded before their arrival. In fact, if Dorilton Capital wants to do everything to recruit Sergio Pérez - who also has important sponsors - nothing should prevent it. Russell would then find himself without a solution, the future of Latifi not seeming threatened given his financial contribution.
As of now, nothing seems to have been decided yet, but Russell's position is more fragile than most people wanted to believe. It is not excluded that the transfer market still evolves favorably for him, but the risk is now real ...
SOURCE: https://fr.motorsport.com/f1/news/perez-menacerait-volant-russell-williams/4892695/
Just came across this vid, thought some might enjoy watching an era where balls of steel were the norm for an F1 driver.
Interesting times. Kimi is still not signed, I wonder if Mazepin's father would give him a bunch of cash to retire? And would Kimi take it? GR does not deserve to be replaced by NM. I rank him pretty highly, he seems to have a good head and is definitely a great driver. So, assuming RB keep Albon, Perez to Haas, Kimi stays and Mick comes in, that only leaves Williams. If Kyvat is out, it will be Yuki getting the drive, unless he fails miserably in last 2 races. I hope it doesn't play out like that, or else GR will be doing an Ocon2019 next year. Which will be fucking madness.
The crux of all this though, and it ties with my prior comment, F1 is becoming a playground for super-rich men to let their kids play in, which is another blight on the sport.
EDIT-Ok, had a toke and went looking for more shit about this. So, it appears Mazepin-Haas and it is Perez that may be the threat to GR's seat. Here is a French article just found, translated by G. I am going to look and see if I can find anything more about that Mazepin comment too. Will edit if locate anything.
Pérez would threaten Russell's wheel at Williams
By : Roberto Chinchero
Co-author: Basile Davoine
Oct 16, 2020 at 9:36 AM
Williams is reportedly seriously considering the possibility of signing Sergio Pérez for 2021, which would cost George Russell his place.
Surprising as it may sound, George Russell's Formula 1 future could dim considerably: the Williams driver's seat for 2021 would no longer be guaranteed. It seems the Briton will be forced to wait until the end of the month to find out what will happen when the new owners of the Grove team have made their position known.
In less than four months, Russell could go from being very close to a Mercedes steering wheel to going without a steering wheel next year. At the start of the summer, the 22-year-old driver was among the possible candidates to replace Valtteri Bottas in 2021, before the Finn was finally extended by Mercedes . During this period, Claire Williams did everything to keep her driver, relying on the contractual option held by the team for a third year with the protected of the firm to the star. As negotiations to sell the team were launched, Williams wanted to ensure the mid-term presence of a valuable asset. On July 16, the in 2021, claiming that a sale wouldn't change that.
Everything seemed to be going as planned for Russell, until Nikita Mazepin entered the dance of the drivers actively seeking a wheel in F1 for 2021. The profile of the Russian and his significant financial backers disrupted the negotiations which seemed to have started between Sergio Pérez and Haas F1 , the Russian being visibly on the way to securing his place in the American team. As of last weekend, Canal + also announced that the agreement was found. This is what led Pérez to seek a Plan B, which could lead him to Williams.
Ironically, Russell's seat at Grove is anything but insured, even though a contract was announced over the summer. Because the new owners could justify a reassessment of the agreement by the fact that it was concluded before their arrival. In fact, if Dorilton Capital wants to do everything to recruit Sergio Pérez - who also has important sponsors - nothing should prevent it. Russell would then find himself without a solution, the future of Latifi not seeming threatened given his financial contribution.
As of now, nothing seems to have been decided yet, but Russell's position is more fragile than most people wanted to believe. It is not excluded that the transfer market still evolves favorably for him, but the risk is now real ...
SOURCE: https://fr.motorsport.com/f1/news/perez-menacerait-volant-russell-williams/4892695/
Just came across this vid, thought some might enjoy watching an era where balls of steel were the norm for an F1 driver.
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It all depends on what the new Williams owners want to be. If they want to be a racing team competing in a sport then they will keep Russel. If they want to be rent a car for all the rich trust fund drivers out there then Russel is shit out of luck and Williams will be another sign of the gangrene that is rotting the sport. Unfortunately since this is a big investment firm I can guess they're probably going for the less palatable option.
Some Hulk based news, he was already on stand by to drive for Red Bull at the Eifel Grand Prix after Albon had an inconclusive covid test. As it was Albon had another and that cleared him to race. Interesting that Hulk was the one they called though.
Another rumour circulating is Gasly to replace Ocon at Renault. Would be a shock that's for certain. That year out was not good for Ocon's career and it doesn't feel like he's made the same impact as he did before but he is being compared against Ricciardo one of the best drivers on the grid so tough one. Would be good for Gasly to vacate the Red Bull program though as I doubt he's going anywhere from here, much like Sainz the only winning move might be to not play when it comes to the Red Bull game.
Some Hulk based news, he was already on stand by to drive for Red Bull at the Eifel Grand Prix after Albon had an inconclusive covid test. As it was Albon had another and that cleared him to race. Interesting that Hulk was the one they called though.
Another rumour circulating is Gasly to replace Ocon at Renault. Would be a shock that's for certain. That year out was not good for Ocon's career and it doesn't feel like he's made the same impact as he did before but he is being compared against Ricciardo one of the best drivers on the grid so tough one. Would be good for Gasly to vacate the Red Bull program though as I doubt he's going anywhere from here, much like Sainz the only winning move might be to not play when it comes to the Red Bull game.
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Red Bull is in a good position, but Max is so strong, being his co-driver seems like much too tall an order for ... hell, almost any other driver. So going for another team and hoping they'll come off strong in 2022 is a pretty decent decision.
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I think the best solution for RBR's engine problem is that they buy the rights of the Honda engines on the cheap and find a manufacturing partner for the units who has the experience and know-how of working with high-end racing engines. The only problem for Honda with this plan would be that if the next version of the engine ends up being the best one of the grid, they'll look silly like they looked with Brawn GP that they mostly funded and proceeded to dominate the championship they just left.
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Given that Melbourne is Ground Zero for COVID-19 in Australia, I'm not surprised that the Australian F1GP has been pushed back to October.
The only other realistic option for an Australian F1GP would be The Bend; a track located about an hour out of Adelaide that was opened in 2018. Whilst it's currently at FIA Grade 2 standard, the only things stopping it from being upgraded to Grade 1 relate to debris fencing and runoff areas; two things that The Bend's owners have provisioned for, yet haven't completed as Grade 2 has been sufficient for their needs since the track opened.
For all we know, The Bend might decide to go ahead with the Grade 1 upgrades anyway, as they've already expressed an interest in hosting the 2021 Australian F1GP if Melbourne is a no-go.
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Wasn't there talk of Adelaide coming back to replace Melbourne? I thought I heard there was a bit of a struggle between the two promoters over that, much like Rio and Sao Paolo. I never heard about "The Bend" had no clue! Thanks for that informative info. Do you think that track would produce good racing? And what will the weather be like in November? Would that be like early spring for us who live in Northern Hemi?
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Hmm the Bend is an interesting circuit, looks like an upside down portrait of a cartoon moose character.
The 7.7km GT circuit
35! corners, Spa (7km) only has 20. I feel it would be fun to watch a car drive in anger but terrible for overtaking due to how the wake from the car infront through high speed corners screws with the following car.
A Porsche lap with position tracker
But given how F1 likes to have track length of 4 to 6km, only Spa and Monaco are exceptions. They would probably run the International circuit of 4.95km
The 7.7km GT circuit
35! corners, Spa (7km) only has 20. I feel it would be fun to watch a car drive in anger but terrible for overtaking due to how the wake from the car infront through high speed corners screws with the following car.
A Porsche lap with position tracker
But given how F1 likes to have track length of 4 to 6km, only Spa and Monaco are exceptions. They would probably run the International circuit of 4.95km
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More and more rumours around about Russell's future. I wonder what on Earth Merc will do if Williams drop him. Yeah, they can make him reserve driver or something and he can spend the season hoping for rona to get one of the main drivers but Merc's young driver program is a joke with all the young drivers they bring in to essentially Merc feeder teams who are promptly dropped from that team to the end/detriment of their F1 career. Think Pascal Wehrlein, Estaban Ocon and now potentially George Russell. They scooped up a load of good young drivers in the feeder series based on "hey kid, want to drive for the most dominant team by a long way? Great sign here" then had no idea what to do with any of them (arguably Ferrari are going to run into the same wall sooner or later too).
Say what you will about Red Bull's young driver program (and I often do) but at least the ones that excel aren't in danger of being dropped from Alpha Tauri to bring in another pay driver.
Say what you will about Red Bull's young driver program (and I often do) but at least the ones that excel aren't in danger of being dropped from Alpha Tauri to bring in another pay driver.
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Russell at least has the pedigree to pretty much go where he wants to be so if he goes to spend a year or two in Indy while either Lewis or Valtteri have their last years, he'll be welcomed back to Merc's primary team.
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Just a semi-off-topic rant: It hurts me to see no more Brazilian Grand Prix, no more brazilians on the grid and as of 2021, no more Formula One on free TV.
The sport was on a slow and steady decline since the death of Ayrton Senna down here. Only the true appreciators of the sport remained, and those were dwindling as years went by. Seriously, back in those days people made plans to watch the races on Sunday mornings, plus the qualifying sessions on Saturdays, and Globo (who owned the broadcasting rights since the 70's) preempted other important programs because not only it did smashing ratings, they had Ayrton fucking Senna, the guy they could count on to either win it all or fight it out to the last lap, plus several other up-and-coming brazilians to watch for. And when he won? This glorious piece of music played, and it became synonimous with Ayrton Senna, Formula One and the sweet feeling of victory in general.
You guys don't imagine the absolute tragedy it was to see him fatally crash on live TV, and later spend the rest of the morning glued to the TV on a tremendous anguish to know his health condition, hoping he would be fine. When his death was made official, my grandma and my uncles literally wept as if they had lost a close relative that day, and so did a boatload of people across the country. So important he was to the general psyche of our very battered people that he received a full statesman funeral. Flags at half-mast, body lying in state at the municipal assembly, procession to the graveyard, twenty-one gun salute, official week of mourning, you know the drill. The only thing that boosted our morale was that a couple of months later our national football team would win the World Cup in a most dramatic fashion. The victory theme I posted earlier was also played by the Globo broadcast when the penalty shootout was over , to crown their victory and as a way to wash away the pain that Senna's loss had inflicted to the brazilian people.
Soccer is our bread and butter, and the NT was on a slump since the late 80's, and its failures made it be slightly put aside to help the ascencion of Formula One as a national sport, but that's another story.
But Formula One never recovered. While it still went on air for the subsequent years, it just wasn't the same. Millions literally swore never to watch Formula One again upon seeing their sports hero die. Interest only piqued again when Rubens Barrichello signed for Ferrari and began winning again, but then the Spielberg Screwjob happened and it all went back to sourness. Then came 2008, when Felipe Massa was this close to winning the WDC on home soil, only to lose it at literally the last corner at the last lap. That was the closest I myself ever been to openly cry over sports in my whole life.
As an addendum: Fuck Lewis Hamilton, fuck Timo Glock, and fuck Toyota for building jalopy after jalopy.
And now the people just don't give a crap about Formula One. Races were now the preempted event rather than the other way around, and Globo axed the qualifying sessions due to embarrassingly low ratings, which eventually the races also did. And Globo, once a giant of not only national but global magnitudes (pun mostly intended), can't afford what Liberty Media asks for the broadcasting rights. And if Globo can't afford it, neither can't any of our other TV stations. What a sad end to what once was a matter of national pride.
Sorry for the length. I needed somewhere to get it out of my system.
The sport was on a slow and steady decline since the death of Ayrton Senna down here. Only the true appreciators of the sport remained, and those were dwindling as years went by. Seriously, back in those days people made plans to watch the races on Sunday mornings, plus the qualifying sessions on Saturdays, and Globo (who owned the broadcasting rights since the 70's) preempted other important programs because not only it did smashing ratings, they had Ayrton fucking Senna, the guy they could count on to either win it all or fight it out to the last lap, plus several other up-and-coming brazilians to watch for. And when he won? This glorious piece of music played, and it became synonimous with Ayrton Senna, Formula One and the sweet feeling of victory in general.
You guys don't imagine the absolute tragedy it was to see him fatally crash on live TV, and later spend the rest of the morning glued to the TV on a tremendous anguish to know his health condition, hoping he would be fine. When his death was made official, my grandma and my uncles literally wept as if they had lost a close relative that day, and so did a boatload of people across the country. So important he was to the general psyche of our very battered people that he received a full statesman funeral. Flags at half-mast, body lying in state at the municipal assembly, procession to the graveyard, twenty-one gun salute, official week of mourning, you know the drill. The only thing that boosted our morale was that a couple of months later our national football team would win the World Cup in a most dramatic fashion. The victory theme I posted earlier was also played by the Globo broadcast when the penalty shootout was over , to crown their victory and as a way to wash away the pain that Senna's loss had inflicted to the brazilian people.
Soccer is our bread and butter, and the NT was on a slump since the late 80's, and its failures made it be slightly put aside to help the ascencion of Formula One as a national sport, but that's another story.
But Formula One never recovered. While it still went on air for the subsequent years, it just wasn't the same. Millions literally swore never to watch Formula One again upon seeing their sports hero die. Interest only piqued again when Rubens Barrichello signed for Ferrari and began winning again, but then the Spielberg Screwjob happened and it all went back to sourness. Then came 2008, when Felipe Massa was this close to winning the WDC on home soil, only to lose it at literally the last corner at the last lap. That was the closest I myself ever been to openly cry over sports in my whole life.
As an addendum: Fuck Lewis Hamilton, fuck Timo Glock, and fuck Toyota for building jalopy after jalopy.
And now the people just don't give a crap about Formula One. Races were now the preempted event rather than the other way around, and Globo axed the qualifying sessions due to embarrassingly low ratings, which eventually the races also did. And Globo, once a giant of not only national but global magnitudes (pun mostly intended), can't afford what Liberty Media asks for the broadcasting rights. And if Globo can't afford it, neither can't any of our other TV stations. What a sad end to what once was a matter of national pride.
Sorry for the length. I needed somewhere to get it out of my system.
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When it comes to Brazilian drivers post-Massa*; Bruno Senna was a bit of a dud though he's found a decent niche as an LMP driver, Felipe Nasr had Banco do Brazil money behind him but it went away after some political thing in 2016ish so he fucked off to USA to become a very good endurance racer and that's about it. There's a rather good kid by the name of Sergio Sette Camara if lucky might end up being the next Brazilian champion assuming he doesn't get thrown off the Red Bull junior programs and gets a good car. Rest are just field filler in junior formulae.
*I consider post-Massa time to be after he got his brain scrambled by a spring, after which he couldn't perform like he used to.
*I consider post-Massa time to be after he got his brain scrambled by a spring, after which he couldn't perform like he used to.
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What do you mean?
Glock's strategist was speculating on softer rain, if that had happened (and we are talking about a miscalculation of at most maybe 2 minutes), he might have been able to greatly benefit from not changing tyres. The rain set in quicker and they ended up losing 2 of the 3 places they gained in the last stretch of the course. They went with "high risk - high reward", that's all.
Some people, especially from Brazil, insinuate that Glock deliberately slowed down and lost his places to hand over the championship to Hamilton for some silly reason, and these people - well, there is no nice word to describe what I think of them tbh.
Be that as it may, let's look at the last few laps of the race more closely to see, whether it was a bad move to not change tyres for Glock:
Soft rain started around lap 65 with 6 more to go, the first 6 drivers pitted about a lap or two later, but the weather up till then was not bad enough that slicks wouldn't be able to manage. Glock, originally on 7th position, stayed out and advanced to 4th position, hoping the situation would remain stable for the last few laps. In fact, driving conditions were not bad enough to necessitate even intermediates in lap 68 according to the English race commentors. By that point, Glock was easily outpacing Hamilton and Vettel, but he only had a ~9 second lead over Hamilton, meaning that he was in no position to change tyres without losing his positions to both Hamilton and Vettel again. Needless to say, overtaking Glock wouldn't have been necessary for Hamilton if Vettel hadn't gotten past him in the first place. Glock apparently managed to increase his lead over Vettel and Hamilton to 15 (!) seconds by the 70th lap (of 71).
Unfortunately for Glock, by that time, rainfalls increased heavily and he started to struggle more and more:
As you can see, in the very last lap, he had to fight the car in every single corner to stay on track. It's plainly obvious that he can't go any faster without risking to end up in the gravel, his car is constantly oversteering due to the slippery road. A road that is, in fact, so slippery, that Vettel and Hamilton have constant oversteering issues even on intermediates now. Still, they manage to squeeze past, basically at the last corner.
And from Glock's perspective? When everyone in front of him boxed and he stayed out, he moved from 7th to 4th place. After losing a lot of time in only the last lap and being passed by two cars, he ranked 6th about 6.5 seconds behind Vettel and Hamilton when he passed the checkered flag. Had the driving conditions worsened just 10 seconds later than they did, Glock would have finished 4th. Even so, he still advanced one position and if the rain had indeed not started to fall until after the race, he might have gotten close enough to Raikkönen to attempt an overtaking and go for the podium.
[Unfortunately, whoever is responsible for putting the HUD on the F1 broadcast back in those days was an utterly incompetent asshole, so we get the entirely useless info how many pitstops everyone had 2 or three times in the last 5 laps, but we never see the gap between Glock and the guy in front of him, so I dunno how close he actually got to Raikkönen (Though I assume even with a completely dry course, it would have been hard for Glock to catch up).]
So, from Glock's perspective, staying out was a very smart move that did ultimately pay off, even after rain fell heavily. By not changing tyres, he gained one position. He almost gained 3. How is this not a reasonable, good decision, even and especially in hindsight?
I can see how frustrating it is to watch Massa's title being lost in such a way (and let's be honest, he deserved it!), but to be salty over another driver like Glock to the extend of Massa fans? That's just silly and being deliberately ignorant of the circumstances of the race itself. Glock didn't throw the race to hand the title over to Hamilton on purpose, his team made a good call when they didn't change his tyres and that's a fact easily backed up by him actually gaining one position.
From a neutral point of view, it's one of the most dramatic ends to an F1 season ever. The last 7 laps of that race are absolutely amazing in the level of tension it build up, with many twists and turns, and up to the last corner, all bets were off. It's a damn shame this absolutely phantastic end to a season was wasted on Hamilton.
The race can be watched in full in reasonable quality on youtube btw:
Soft rain starts about 1h27minutes in.
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Melbourne is still expecting to be the season opener in '21
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Seriously, how can anyone not enjoy this guy's antics?
You could make an entire F1 sitcom where the basic idea is that Ricciardo and Raikkönen end up in the same team.
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Grosjean and Magnussen are leaving Haas at the end of the season:
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The straitjacketed world of F1 was a poor fit for Grosjean, whose racing horizon seemed to exist either in an ambiguous direction somewhere off the circuit, or in a space and time that was inconveniently occupied by the car of a rival driver.
Off-road dune buggy racing through the desert is the sport for him, although I sure that he would still find a way of colliding with something, or somehow ending up in the sea.
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No great suprise in Haas clearing house to start again with a new lineup. Question is will they just become a Ferrari development team for some of that sweet Maranello money or are they planning on finding their own (probably pay) driver(s)? I'm assuming it will be one of each but will wait and see.