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And someone watched this and thought to himself "We could totally use this to kill prisoners".
An interesting story about the electric chair is that an african king (i think it was in Ethiopia, but i don't remember clearly) was utterly amazed and fascinated by the method of execution that was the electric chair. So much he was that he took the time and effort to import an electric chair to his country in order to execute prisioners and political enemies in a superb and modern fashion. The problem was that by that time the country didn't had electricity and so the chair was completely useless. And so to not let his efforts go to waste, the king decided to use the chair as his own throne in the palace.
 
In 1998, as Smashing Pumpkins was about to release Adore, they brought on Rick Rubin to produce one track, Let Me Give The World To You. It was supposed to be the final track on Adore, and it was almost released.
Virgin Records, the bands record label, was really worried about how different the tone of their new material was going to be, so they tried to make that song the lead single. Billy Corgan said no, he didn't want to release it as a single. So at the very last minute, they track was shelved, solely because Corgan didn't want to release it as the lead single.

It was reworked and released two years later, for free, on their final album (at the time), Machina 2: The Friends and Enemies of Modern Music; this time without Rick Rubin. (linked it to archive.org because the album is literally meant to be given away.)

Rick Rubin's version wouldn't see the light of day until 2014 as apart of the bands massive re-releases of their first 4-6 albums.


Smaller fun fact: Machina 2 was given for free because he wanted it to come for free with anyone who bought the first Machina. Virgin Records refused, so Corgan got a few master vinyls and sent them to a few select people just so they can upload it online.
 
This is kind of a talking point for people and conspiration-enthusiasts talking about evil capitalists without getting the point of the machine at all.
Tesla's machine would essentially be an antenna that induced an alternating magnetic field that you'd be able to tap in with a similar tower as a receiver, so yeah, you could use this to transmit energy from one place to the other and people could just use it any way they want... but... it's horribly, mind blowingly, absurdly inefficient and just as an added extra: It would fuck with radio transmission, since it would induce a really fucking loud buzzing sound across all ranges (but hey, your now utterly useless radio would work without batteries!).
Problem is, since the energy is spread spherically, the further away you get, the smaller the amount of energy per surface area is reduced, this means that compared to distance X, at 2X, you'd only get a quarter of energy. At 4X, you get a 16th of energy and so on.
Of course, you could transmit it as a beam, but that would defeat the purpose (and still be horribly inefficient), so yeah, as neat as it would be to have wireless energy, this was a pretty fucking stupid idea and mostly interesting from a theoretical point of view.


And someone watched this and thought to himself "We could totally use this to kill prisoners".
Jesus fuck, when that steam starts rising. That poor fucking animal.

1. I want sources that say that it's "horribly inefficient" in its intended purpose.
2. The idea was to have centers/hubs like this, the way you have centers of wifi connectability. Between these towers or structures the energy would be transmitted by cable or by as you said beam.
 
An interesting story about the electric chair is that an african king (i think it was in Ethiopia, but i don't remember clearly) was utterly amazed and fascinated by the method of execution that was the electric chair. So much he was that he took the time and effort to import an electric chair to his country in order to execute prisioners and political enemies in a superb and modern fashion. The problem was that by that time the country didn't had electricity and so the chair was completely useless. And so to not let his efforts go to waste, the king decided to use the chair as his own throne in the palace.
Gotta admit, using an electric chair as your throne is metal as hell, even if it doesn't work.
 
1. I want sources that say that it's "horribly inefficient" in its intended purpose.
It's the inverse-square-law. When you have any kind of source that emits energy in a spherical pattern (or rather: not as some sort of beam), the amount of energy per area will inescapeably, inevitably and always have these exact properties based on distance. Whether it's light, electromagnetism or whatever doesn't matter. Even sound and gravity are affected this way. It's horribly inefficient, no matter what "intended purpose" you have in mind.

2. The idea was to have centers/hubs like this, the way you have centers of wifi connectability. Between these towers or structures the energy would be transmitted by cable or by as you said beam.
Doesn't matter. Again, it's physics and the moment you send out the energy via an antenna, you lose an absurd amount of energy, unless your amazing idea is to transmit it only a few feet in which case a cable would still be a more viable option, since even then, it would be a lot more effective and efficient. You could plaster every neighborhood with a dozen of these things, it would still be a completely moronic idea and waste a shitton of energy in the process.

At this point, I'm wondering if such a technology wouldn't electrify (or at least heat up) wire fences or cause issues, even with telephone cables. Most likely, it would. So yeah, Tesla's amazing idea would have cost us our ability to talk via radio, maybe even via landline, would be a giant waste of energy and you would not be able to monetize it (in order to pay upkeep of such a ridiculous system).
See, Tesla was a smart person, but even they had silly or bad ideas at times. This one seems like one of these.
 
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From what I understand the output would be based on the needs of the citizens in any given area. Excess power would be collected by absorbers and redirected into the grid. Transformers would help reduce waste.

Ultimately though, the final plan called for the whole planets atmosphere to be turned into a giant battery, it would be constantly charged, it would not emit more energy than was being used and it would not absorb more energy than it could hold. The atmosphere was to start collecting energy from solar winds as well in the absolute end, becoming self-sufficient at least in part. The EM waves were also supposed to resonate at a set frequency and would only be transferred to something with the same frequency.



Here's someone explaining it better than me but if you want I could try to contact a family member that is a renowned expert in the field and have him write something up. Still I want something better from you than basics or a very elaborate article explaining why it wouldn't work.
 
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From what I understand the output would be based on the needs of the citizens in any given area. Excess power would be collected by absorbers and redirected into the grid. Transformers would help reduce waste.
None of this matters. Look up the inverse square law. The losses of energy are massive. This is very fundamental physics and nothing short of magic will change how any of this works.
You'd need to broadcast absolutely mind-blowingly massive amounts of energy to run a few light bulbs a few miles away... while generating insanely huge electromagnetic fields right next to the broadcasting station, since most of the energy that you broadcast will just disperse over a huge area. It's like you're trying to read a book at night by lighting a fire 5 miles, bright enough to illuminate your book page. Next to the reader, a tiny candle might be sufficient to illuminate the paper, at 5 miles distance, you'd need a massive pyre. That's not a metaphor that is literally how the inverse square law works.
Building an "Absorber" won't help you, since it will only recoup a tiny fraction of the energy that you broadcast after the inverse square law has taken its toll. Reducing the energy is meaningless, since you still waste the exact same percentage of energy, since the inverse square law will take its toll anyway.

Say you want to broadcast enough energy to light up a light bulb 2 miles away.
At 1 mile, you could power 4 light bulbs with the same amount of energy.
At half a mile, it would be 9. At 880 yards, it would be 16 light bulbs. This is a loss of energy of over 93% on a distance of 1.5 miles..
Meanwhile, the loss of energy for a regular cable is roughly 1% at 60 miles.
This means that a cable is a more efficient means of energy transmission, even at the distance of a few feet.
Again: This is fundamental physics and you should be able to understand this just by reading the Wiki article.
You could circumferent this by changing the sizes of antennas, which would mean someone might get away with a 1 meter antenna at 1 mile distance to the broadcasting system, however the guy 4 miles away would need an antenna 16 meters in size. The guy one mile further down the road needs a 25m antenna and so on.

I'm not going to put much faith into a Quora-link when it makes as little sense as the stuff that this guy wrote. This is literally on the level of Perpetuum Mobile machines, it's utter nonsense and half his text could be summarized with "And then magic happens and this somehow generates free energy for everyone but we still somehow need these towers that also magically work". Bonuspoints for the dude's bio: "William Beaty, 35yrs Elect Eng, Tesla fanatic since 1973, built devices from Tesla patents" and otherwise describes himself as "Science Hobbyist". Especially when the stuff that he writes is just the usual mindless gushing over Tesla and the evil capitalists who prevented free power to everyone. And he sort of misunderstood the Schumann Resonance, it seems. To all intents and purposes, this guy is just some random dude on the internet and it's not hard finding any number of random dudes on the internet, that contradict his statements, therefore, his statements are pretty much irrelevant.

And just to say it once more: Everything what I just said is based on fundamental physics. The Quora dude insinuates that the tower just acts as a charging device for the atmosphere (which -again!!!- magically seems to just accept unlimited amounts of energy without experiencing loss, that's utter nonsense).
 
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Ok, i'll be going back to the grim business of executions.

There is in Edinburgh the tale of a woman that survived her execution called Half-hanged Maggie. By the time she was alive, almost every crime in Scotland landed you in the gallows and jails were a place where you were locked away until you got executed. As well, the hangmen didn't considered the physique or wheight of the people that were to be executed, meaning that everyone was hanged in the same gallows, prompting some horrible displays like a fat man that thanks to his sheer wheight gets nearly decapitated by the rope.

Maggie apparently was a fish seller who got accused of stealing and for that crime she was executed. The thing is that she was a very small and thin woman and thanks to that she survived her execution. When her body was being taken away to be buried she woke up since she was only unconscious and because she was already executed, she paide the price for her crime and couldn't go to the gallows again. After this event, Maggie was always next to the market square where convicts were executed to give them some reassuring last words before they went to the gallows as they had their last pint served, ironically enough, in one of the oldest pubs in Edinburgh called "The last drop".
 
The director of Friday the 13th part 5 also directed a hardcore porn

Just one?

Gregory Dark directed that Britney Spears video "My prerogative"(latex catsuit, maybe), including making some videos for Mandy More and A*Teens before that.
He also directed a lot of hardcore pornography.
Read from top to bottom. https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0201283/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1

I don't think I ever heard anyone being outraged about this at the time, it was a non-story.
 
Just one?

Gregory Dark directed that Britney Spears video "My prerogative"(latex catsuit, maybe), including making some videos for Mandy More and A*Teens before that.
He also directed a lot of hardcore pornography.
Read from top to bottom. https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0201283/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1

I don't think I ever heard anyone being outraged about this at the time, it was a non-story.

From Wikipedia:
Danny Steinmann (January 7, 1942 – December 18, 2012) was an American film director. Danny made his debut as both writer and director with the funky hardcore porno picture High Rise (1973),


And he directed Friday the 13th part 5 twelve years later.
 
None of this matters. Look up the inverse square law. The losses of energy are massive. This is very fundamental physics and nothing short of magic will change how any of this works.
You'd need to broadcast absolutely mind-blowingly massive amounts of energy to run a few light bulbs a few miles away... while generating insanely huge electromagnetic fields right next to the broadcasting station, since most of the energy that you broadcast will just disperse over a huge area. It's like you're trying to read a book at night by lighting a fire 5 miles, bright enough to illuminate your book page. Next to the reader, a tiny candle might be sufficient to illuminate the paper, at 5 miles distance, you'd need a massive pyre. That's not a metaphor that is literally how the inverse square law works.
Building an "Absorber" won't help you, since it will only recoup a tiny fraction of the energy that you broadcast after the inverse square law has taken its toll. Reducing the energy is meaningless, since you still waste the exact same percentage of energy, since the inverse square law will take its toll anyway.

Say you want to broadcast enough energy to light up a light bulb 2 miles away.
At 1 mile, you could power 4 light bulbs with the same amount of energy.
At half a mile, it would be 9. At 880 yards, it would be 16 light bulbs. This is a loss of energy of over 93% on a distance of 1.5 miles..
Meanwhile, the loss of energy for a regular cable is roughly 1% at 60 miles.
This means that a cable is a more efficient means of energy transmission, even at the distance of a few feet.
Again: This is fundamental physics and you should be able to understand this just by reading the Wiki article.
You could circumferent this by changing the sizes of antennas, which would mean someone might get away with a 1 meter antenna at 1 mile distance to the broadcasting system, however the guy 4 miles away would need an antenna 16 meters in size. The guy one mile further down the road needs a 25m antenna and so on.

I'm not going to put much faith into a Quora-link when it makes as little sense as the stuff that this guy wrote. This is literally on the level of Perpetuum Mobile machines, it's utter nonsense and half his text could be summarized with "And then magic happens and this somehow generates free energy for everyone but we still somehow need these towers that also magically work". Bonuspoints for the dude's bio: "William Beaty, 35yrs Elect Eng, Tesla fanatic since 1973, built devices from Tesla patents" and otherwise describes himself as "Science Hobbyist". Especially when the stuff that he writes is just the usual mindless gushing over Tesla and the evil capitalists who prevented free power to everyone. And he sort of misunderstood the Schumann Resonance, it seems. To all intents and purposes, this guy is just some random dude on the internet and it's not hard finding any number of random dudes on the internet, that contradict his statements, therefore, his statements are pretty much irrelevant.

And just to say it once more: Everything what I just said is based on fundamental physics. The Quora dude insinuates that the tower just acts as a charging device for the atmosphere (which -again!!!- magically seems to just accept unlimited amounts of energy without experiencing loss, that's utter nonsense).

Well I kinda knew you'd say that so I picked a guy after extensive googling.
The guy is a research engineer at the University of Washington.
He's just more humble than you in his descriptions of himself. I'd rather take his word of yours.
He's been interviewed as an expert on several TV shows and has a substantial CV. Kind of pathetic attacking the guys passions.

I'm not an engineer but as I said I have a family member who works on precisely this type of stuff in critical infrastructure and he's always been a fan of Tesla as well.But after this I'm not sure if its worth it. I understand the inverse square law but I don't think that it applies to a situation like this for the same reason the EM waves would work and do work in the sense that there are waves travelling the earth all the time in a circle. Things in nature, especially electricity, want to stay together. A lightning cloud is just a super charged electrical battery in a very wast area, but hold up a rod up there and you'll redirect the flow of it from going in all random directions in the sky to flowing to you and your rod. It acts like a battery in this sense, energy is released when a more suitable conductor is found.

So I'm sorry if you've just started studying the subject or something but you shouldn't be so overconfident. Afterall Tesla worked on these things his whole life. I think if anything he understood the inverse square law himself, wouldn't you think?
 
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So I'm sorry if you've just started studying the subject or something but you shouldn't be so overconfident. Afterall Tesla worked on these things his whole life. I think if anything he understood the inverse square law himself, wouldn't you think?
Tesla vehemently refused the currently accepted electron model and a lot of emerging quantum mechanics. He was a genius in some aspects but wasn't perfect.
 
Tesla vehemently refused the currently accepted electron model and a lot of emerging quantum mechanics. He was a genius in some aspects but wasn't perfect.

Tesla is (mostly correctly) venerated for his genius, but a lot of why he looks good is that Edison was just such a complete asshole to him.
 
Tesla is (mostly correctly) venerated for his genius, but a lot of why he looks good is that Edison was just such a complete asshole to him.

A lot of why you look good is because you shit out oneliners when you think they are appropriate while not being able to articulate anything beyond them when you disagree with something.

People didn't know the stuff about Edison for the longest of time, at least it wasn't in the public knowledge, and Tesla was still venerated then. Also without Edison, Tesla would've been more venerated, not less, and he would've been wealthy enough to pursue his experiments to a greater degree as the theft of his intellectual property would not have been as severe and thus his profits from it greater.
 
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Tesla vehemently refused the currently accepted electron model and a lot of emerging quantum mechanics. He was a genius in some aspects but wasn't perfect.
His search for an uniform theory was parallel to many others including Albert Einstein at that time and so were his attempts to understand electrons. That does not mean he didn't understand or agree with basic applied physics. Though that inverse square thing is not applicable here. While any certain point 1 mile away would have very little energy, perhaps barely enough to support a few lightbulbs, the flow of electricity through more conductive materials would sweep charges from distant points in the air and atmosphere, diverting them to say your TV and kitchen appliances. That's my basic understanding of the model. You're welcome to share yours instead of dispensing with tropes.
 
His search for an uniform theory was parallel to many others including Albert Einstein at that time and so were his attempts to understand electrons. That does not mean he didn't understand or agree with basic applied physics. Though that inverse square thing is not applicable here. While any certain point 1 mile away would have very little energy, perhaps barely enough to support a few lightbulbs, the flow of electricity through more conductive materials would sweep charges from distant points in the air and atmosphere, diverting them to say your TV and kitchen appliances. That's my basic understanding of the model. You're welcome to share yours instead of dispensing with tropes.
I don't need to understand any theory to know that the more energy you pump into the air the more it will effect. Just blasting energy willy nilly is fucking dumb. We already do that with wi-fi and radio and it the signals can be picked up by just pieces of metal that conduct properly. Not only that but there's more evidence that it's interfearing with some animals abilities to pick up the Earth's magnetic field.

If the thing could pick up requests signals and send energy out to it it could work but wires and beams are far more effective at that. Like a satellite that could fire beams onto rooftop solar panels on request would be far greater and cheaper. It was a neat concept but bad idea and we've already surpassed it tech wise with lasers.
 
That's brilliant man! So you want to build like a power plant that powers a huge laz0r or something that then beams it into the satellites in SPACEEE and then those beam it back into a solar panel?

Shit man, go get funding for this immediately, it will epic.
Shits already in the works re.tard. Maybe stop playing your steampunk games and do a little research.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space-based_solar_power
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ea...asers-to-beam-energy-to-Earth-from-space.html
https://www.businessinsider.com/space-based-solar-panels-beam-unlimited-energy-to-earth-2015-9
 
That's collecting *free* Energy in space and beaming it back to power stations on ground. Not beaming it into houses which would be the point of Teslas system or any system designed to distribute energy rather than produce it.
 
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