EU Furore around Glen Kamara shows how racists can keep getting away with abuse - #Believe all unprovable accusations


To get their personal violations recognised, victims of racism have to navigate an obstacle course of suspicion and bad faith

You're a footballer who has been racially abused by an opponent in the course of doing your job. So let's talk tactics, scenarios, next steps. Yes, I know it happened only a few seconds ago. You're angry, upset, confused. Above all there's a football match still to be won, and you don't want to lose your focus. But really, you need to get your head in the game. Because even in these raw early moments, one false move, one wrong choice, and your prospects of justice are sunk.

Obviously you'll want to lodge a formal complaint as soon as possible. But of course the referee didn't hear anything, and the opponent has an angelic "Who, me?" expression on his face. Here's your first task: you need to remember the exact words that were used. Was it "fucking monkey", "black monkey" or just "monkey"? Yes, it's gruesome, but it's important. Get it wrong, admit the merest uncertainty, alter your story one iota, and in a few months' time a smooth-talking lawyer will be flaying you to ribbons in front of an FA disciplinary panel.

Next: make sure you flag the incident up at the time and gather witnesses, or you'll be accused of making it up afterwards. And remember, you need to look just the right amount of angry: too angry and people will assume you're motivated by rage, not angry enough and people will assume you're a scheming, mendacious troublemaker.

Once this gets out, you'll need as thick a skin as you can muster. You'll be forced to relive those few traumatic seconds again and again, through ever more jaundiced filters. Your reputation and your motives will be dragged through the mud. You will be abused again, this time in great anonymous torrents. And for all the support and encouragement you will also receive, the whole affair will leave an unpleasant aftertaste: a problem everyone wishes would simply go away.

By the time of the hearing, the incident will begin to feel like a surreal abstraction: you, who were there, will have your recollections challenged by others who weren't. The player who abused you will wheel out a succession of character witnesses to defend their honour. If he had said the thing, they will insist, that would make him a racist. But he isn't a racist, and so he can't have said it. Ultimately, you will be told, it's your word against his, and so nothing more can be done.

The reason for sketching this process out in such gristly, unpleasant detail is that there remains a significant body of opinion that is convinced people put themselves through all this for a laugh.

This cropped up again recently, after the Rangers midfielder Glen Kamara accused Slavia Prague's Ondrej Kudela of racially abusing him during their Europa League game on Thursday. Kudela has denied the accusation and Uefa will hear the case in due course. And yet already Kamara's treatment is a reminder of the obstacle course that awaits all victims of racist abuse: gaslighting, obfuscation, counter-narrative, a system that seems to be rigged from top to bottom against the accuser in favour of the accused.

I discovered this on a much smaller scale only a few years ago. Towards the end of the last Ashes tour, an English journalist racially abused me in the press box of the Sydney Cricket Ground. Or, more specifically, in a corridor near the press box: a detail I now realise was hardly accidental. As the older journalist flatly denied making the remark he had made about eight seconds earlier, there was a devilish glint in his eye: the stomach-turning realisation that I would never be able to prove otherwise.

And in the end, he got away with it. Complaints were lodged. Grave, stony-faced summits were held. My version of events was scrutinised with a forensic laser focus. Did I have a grudge? Did I provoke him? Could I have heard something else? All he had to do, meanwhile, was deny everything. And - legally speaking - that was that. Game over.

Multiply this by hundreds, thousands, and you realise why so many acts of personal violation - racism, harassment, sexual abuse - go unpunished. Kamara has received plenty of support, but also a good deal of scepticism and outright hostility from rival fans. Like many before him, he has been accused of simply inventing the whole episode. And remember, this was an on-field incident captured live on television. Imagine the overwhelming burden of proof required to substantiate a similar accusation in amateur football. In a dressing room. In a boardroom.

We know racist abuse is a common, widespread problem. Conversely, there is no body of evidence to suggest that false or malicious accusations of racism exist on remotely the same scale. And yet time and again we are nonsensically asked to give these two scenarios equal weight: often under the cloak of well-meaning phrases like "due process" and "innocent until proven guilty". Yet the presumption of innocence is not a neutral stance in these cases. It presumes, by extension, that the accuser must be lying or mistaken unless proved otherwise. And in so doing, it provides generous cover to any abuser shrewd enough to cover their tracks.

This is the landscape that virtually all victims of racism must navigate: suspicion, bad faith, institutional hostility. Meanwhile, football's authorities wonder aloud why hatred festers in the game and what can be done about it. They can begin, above all, by assuming that those who stick out their neck to denounce racism are telling the truth. And not only that, but by believing them: not blindly or dogmatically, but instinctively, and with empathy.

Jonathan Liew was last week awarded the John Bromley trophy for sports writer of the year at the Sports Journalism Awards
 
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Or... this is just a thought... call him a nigger back. Then show him up physically (within the rules of the game) and tell him how dirty his mom is gonna be tonight because watching daddy discipline the kids gets her wetter than October

If it's some crusty old man in a corridor outside the press box, punch him in the nose. That will flip the script if he denies it, why would you punch him if he didnt say some fighting words?

You know, try being a man about it instead of a bitch. The lizard part of your brain was made to handle this kinda situation, use it
 
If calling someone on the opposing a sports team a nigger actually had that kind of mental impact on someone, the black teammates would be encouraging their white mates to call the other team niggers.
Hell, I bet all sports teams would start hiring on white guys just to call people niggers. Just figured out my dream job.
 
You're a footballer who has been racially abused by an opponent in the course of doing your job. So let's talk tactics, scenarios, next steps.
My next step is to go home and swim around in my Scrooge McDuck vault because I'm in the top .001% most privileged people in human history and whining about oppression just makes me a hypocritical piece of shit.

And then the step after that is probably get dinner or something.
 
He is pathetic even if his accusation is true. If what he says is true, a guy said a word to him. A bad word. He then walked up to the other player and PUNCHED him in the head after the match. Yes, that happened. It's not mentioned in this article but you can find it easily from other sources. No word is equal is physical violence. You can bitch and moan and say, 'racism is bad,' and yes, you'd be right. Racism is bad. But words are words and violence is violence and Kamara is now the bad guy to every rational person watching.

Also a Rangers player DESTROYED the Slavia goalkeeper's face in a spectacularly irresponsible move and stayed on the fucking pitch. The keeper was knocked out and needed stitches on his face. But a bad word is worse.

Gerard stuck with Suarez through his 'negrito' shit but is happy to jump on the hate train when it is his guy who can take advantage.

I say all this as an English guy who, in general, sympathises with Rangers.
 
Once this gets out, you'll need as thick a skin as you can muster. You'll be forced to relive those few traumatic seconds again and again, through ever more jaundiced filters. Your reputation and your motives will be dragged through the mud. You will be abused again, this time in great anonymous torrents.
He got called a monkey, acts like he got sodomised in public.
 
We know racist abuse is a common, widespread problem. Conversely, there is no body of evidence to suggest that false or malicious accusations of racism exist on remotely the same scale. And yet time and again we are nonsensically asked to give these two scenarios equal weight: often under the cloak of well-meaning phrases like "due process" and "innocent until proven guilty". Yet the presumption of innocence is not a neutral stance in these cases. It presumes, by extension, that the accuser must be lying or mistaken unless proved otherwise.
Please tell me the difference between this and "innocent until proven guilty" when accusing someone of stealing something from you. Haha, funny A&H post, what I have to say is valid and interesting. Severe emotional issues. Domestic abuse. Child.
 
He is pathetic even if his accusation is true. If what he says is true, a guy said a word to him. A bad word. He then walked up to the other player and PUNCHED him in the head after the match. Yes, that happened. It's not mentioned in this article but you can find it easily from other sources.
This seems like an extremely important detail fucking hell. :story:

I discovered this on a much smaller scale only a few years ago. Towards the end of the last Ashes tour, an English journalist racially abused me in the press box of the Sydney Cricket Ground. Or, more specifically, in a corridor near the press box: a detail I now realise was hardly accidental. As the older journalist flatly denied making the remark he had made about eight seconds earlier, there was a devilish glint in his eye: the stomach-turning realisation that I would never be able to prove otherwise.
Even assuming everything this guy is saying is true, I'm sure that this supposed incident couldn't have anything to do with the most affected journalist acting like a thin skinned faggot (which is in abundant evidence in the article), and I'm sure that this attitude never leaked out in a professional context which the supposed insulter had to be subjected to, all while pretending to not hate you to keep up appearances.

Conversely, there is no body of evidence to suggest that false or malicious accusations of racism exist on remotely the same scale. And yet time and again we are nonsensically asked to give these two scenarios equal weight: often under the cloak of well-meaning phrases like "due process" and "innocent until proven guilty". Yet the presumption of innocence is not a neutral stance in these cases. It presumes, by extension, that the accuser must be lying or mistaken unless proved otherwise. And in so doing, it provides generous cover to any abuser shrewd enough to cover their tracks.
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Burden is on the accuser and that's for a fucking reason, the alternative is a hellworld we're seeing the beginnings of as we speak and faggots like this guy actively simp for.
 
Fucking soccer players are nothing but a bunch of pussies. Even NBA players are less melodramatic about shit.
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Lmao if anyone keeps getting away with abuse it's crybullies that falsely accuse people of racism. At this point unless you're rich or have an amazing boss you will be shitcanned the instant anyone accuses you of racism, even if theres no evidence
 
Remarkable how they miss out the advice, "don't go up to them after a relatively extensive amount of time has passed, assault them and then cry racism."
As someone said up thread my sympathies are with Rangers and I have little difficulty believing the other player did say that. The instant you decide you're going to punch them for doing so you too become an unprofessional tit of a human.
 
This is a masterclass in "How to Lose an Argument (even if you're right)".

i) Respond to insulting words with violence - effectively cedes the moral high ground.

ii) Omit important details from the story - reduces the credibility of your narrative when you're crying in the media later.

iii) Advocate for a 'guilty-until-proven-innocent' approach - moronically calls for a return to a system that historically got black people lynched by false rape accusations from white women.
 
Anti racist posturing in football is out of control. Players are still kneeling before kick off in the premier league, it's gone on so embarrassingly long now it seems like they don't want to draw attention to it by stopping. If you want to make headlines on the sports pages set up a couple of burner twitter accounts and call a player a nigger after he scores an own goal. Everyone has to pretend like premier league football is not about the purest meritocracy in the world where players from poor villages in Africa play with guys from European inner city ghettoes and privately educated English players and they all become idolised multi millionaires together.

Gerard stuck with Suarez through his 'negrito' shit but is happy to jump on the hate train when it is his guy who can take advantage.

I say all this as an English guy who, in general, sympathises with Rangers.
The negrito saga had a good denouement recently when Cavani said it and got minimal punishment, with coverage explaining how it is a normal thing to say in Uruguay- an argument that completely failed to defend Suarez when he said it and was tarred as a racist.

Liew has made a career of race baiting and then making hay when people like Aggers call him out on it. Don't forget Liew started the feud by baselessly accusing Aggers of coded racism for questioning whether England should call up Jofra Archer. Look at his articles, he is a sports writer who doesn't seem to give a shit about sports except as a angle to push an agenda of racism and prejudice.

Look at this correction at the bottom of one of his recent articles
This article was amended on 1 February 2021 to remove the erroneous statement that no non-privately educated child born since 1995 has gone on to play for England.
He's so desperate to prove 'cricket has a class problem' or some bullshit that he makes up a fake fact. The worst thing is that he was almost right but only because any talented young English cricketer is offered a sports scholarship to a private school like Whitgift. Liew of course would not offer that context and wants to present the misleading conclusion that England cricketers are all from privileged backgrounds.
 
Anti racist posturing in football is out of control. Players are still kneeling before kick off in the premier league, it's gone on so embarrassingly long now it seems like they don't want to draw attention to it by stopping.
Exactly. Every football game I watch on telly starts with me going "Ugh, they're still doing this?". But when you think about it, they really can't stop now. Since they had some fans booing it (Millwall?) in the stadium, stopping the kneel means that the racists will win. And they just can't have that.

They'll still be doing the fucking kneel in twenty years time at this rate.
 
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Shadowboxing imaginary racists is already so tired but you just now we've got another decade of this garbage to look forwards to at the least.
 
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