🦊 Furry Furry Convention Drama - Because you can't have a couple thousand dog fucking enthusiasts under the same roof without shit hitting the fan

JohnDoe said:
@Pinball 2000

I'm not really sure that 'refused' would be the right term here, you can't really refuse to do something that you're not capable of doing in the first place. What a stupid thing to even try, 'uh yeah you don't have what to need to do this task, but please do it anyway' is such a weird rejection of reality.
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Maybe I worded that weirdly, but my understanding of what happened is that their previous photographer wasn't told the booth was happening, and when he showed up to the event, someone asked him "hey I know you aren't doing it and you have none of your equipment, but can you still do it anyway?" I think any rational person would have said no to that request, honestly, so given what I've heard, I can't fault the ex-photographer in this situation.
 
Vault said:
I've seen official con photographers leave behind their staff role, and it comes out later it's because they often just felt taken advantage of. They seem to be some of the most jilted of folk within convention spaces for all of the work they do getting together a photography setup with decent lighting and all the expensive equipment.
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I know someone who worked as a con photographer for some extra cash, and they turned a loss due to equipment damages early on. I'm curious how often that such damages happen.
 
D.Va said:
Harvest Moon Howl Fest gets postponed, again:

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Due to coronavirus? I'll bite -- it's an outdoor con which would be, in theory, safer than the dozen or so that have ran already in the past few months. We've reached equilibrium with endemic spread and whether a shitty camping con runs or not won't save any lives; it's a fart in the wind. As someone who works at a pharma company where the CEO sold their shares and bolted, she knows it: pandemic is over.

Chise probably did not expect virtue signalling about a fentanyl addict would have gotten her this far. She doesn't want to admit it, but she doesn't know how to run a con, doesn't want to run a con, and is now saddled with running a POC-led convention as a white woman.

Her best bet is a change of management where she hands it off to some unsuspecting dipshit (without the con funds, obviously). It'll either finally fade into obscurity or become a disaster and Chise is off the hook if she can blame it on some literal nigger tranny.

Large amounts of simping in the twitter replies, a small few "what the fuck"s.

(edit: the Moderna CEO shares thing is fake news, but w/e)
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Doesn't have time for running their convention, but has plenty of time to shill merch. :thinking:
 
Pizdec said:
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Doesn't have time for running their convention, but has plenty of time to shill merch. :thinking:
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I thought it was obvious by this point that Chise just milks whatever is popular, BLM, COVID, now Ukraine, to harvest ko-fi donations to buy fursuits she then flips on the market. While being a white passing POC claiming credit for the vaccine (which when looked into moderna's OWN list of staff credited for creating it, no surprise she wasn't listed. Because she didn't.)

People aren't tweeting about BLM anymore so she doesn't care about running the convention. It won't get her the clout or money she wants. It was a scam to begin with. The name should have been obvious enough and so should her spending habits. She's just cashing in on a gullible fandom.
 
Sneed's Feed And Seed said:
Which fucking fursuiter was it
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No clue who did the damages. It was one of those "what was the most bullshit jobs you ever worked that actually were part of your field" conversations. I'll recount what I know and remember, but second hand, I wasn't there, etc.

From what I know, the con was in Toronto. The photographer was just looking for extra cash as he had a baby on the way, so no job was off the table of it looked to be profitable and worth his time. Some easy cash, and the con gave him a booth with solid space and such. Looking good right?

Few hours into day one of three he asks con security to watch his gear, they agreed and even move two guards over a bit, one to stand in front of the booth, one so they could clearly see it while he took a piss during a slow stretch. Feeling pretty confident at this point about the safety he goes off. Comes back and a bunch of stuff is smashed. Apparently con security threw the person responsible out but wouldn't give a name or identity or anything to find out who it was. He closed down for the day, bought replacement gear, opens up day two and three.

By the end of it all after losing the bulk of day one and having to buy new gear he apparently made a slight loss over all. Mad lad apparently went back next year with an assistant and made bank though. So revenue the first year must have been appealing enough to take the risk before equipment damages and a lost day cut in.
 
AngryTreeRat said:
No clue who did the damages. It was one of those "what was the most bullshit jobs you ever worked that actually were part of your field" conversations. I'll recount what I know and remember, but second hand, I wasn't there, etc.

From what I know, the con was in Toronto. The photographer was just looking for extra cash as he had a baby on the way, so no job was off the table of it looked to be profitable and worth his time. Some easy cash, and the con gave him a booth with solid space and such. Looking good right?

Few hours into day one of three he asks con security to watch his gear, they agreed and even move two guards over a bit, one to stand in front of the booth, one so they could clearly see it while he took a piss during a slow stretch. Feeling pretty confident at this point about the safety he goes off. Comes back and a bunch of stuff is smashed. Apparently con security threw the person responsible out but wouldn't give a name or identity or anything to find out who it was. He closed down for the day, bought replacement gear, opens up day two and three.

By the end of it all after losing the bulk of day one and having to buy new gear he apparently made a slight loss over all. Mad lad apparently went back next year with an assistant and made bank though. So revenue the first year must have been appealing enough to take the risk before equipment damages and a lost day cut in.
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Oh, he made a big mistake there. No matter what convention/event it is, you never entrust anything to event security. Even when you're talking about normie shit: whenever our company sent anyone to set up a booth or exhibit at a conference, it was never just one guy. It was at least two, usually three people, because we lost count of the times we saw booths basically ransacked as soon as their staffers walked away to get some water or go to the bathroom. One time someone even swiped a prototype low-turbulence valve and police was called.

The lesson there? If you're carrying anything even remotely expensive, the buddy system is your friend. And who knows, if you're going to a furry convention having someone else with you at all times will probably help avoid being accosted or fondled by some dogfucker with no sense of boundaries.
 
Pizdec said:
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Doesn't have time for running their convention, but has plenty of time to shill merch. :thinking:
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This merch company is run by Isananika (archive), and is pretty much tied to their livelihood as an indigenous artist. Chise tends to be the most visible member of HMHF's board, but she's not the only member.

camopattern said:
I thought it was obvious by this point that Chise just milks whatever is popular, BLM, COVID, now Ukraine, to harvest ko-fi donations to buy fursuits she then flips on the market. While being a white passing POC claiming credit for the vaccine (which when looked into moderna's OWN list of staff credited for creating it, no surprise she wasn't listed. Because she didn't.)

People aren't tweeting about BLM anymore so she doesn't care about running the convention. It won't get her the clout or money she wants. It was a scam to begin with. The name should have been obvious enough and so should her spending habits. She's just cashing in on a gullible fandom.
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This is really unfortunate because, in general, camping events look like a LOT more fun than classic conventions. Furry or not, I'm always rooting for a good camping event.
 
Sintharia said:
This is really unfortunate because, in general, camping events look like a LOT more fun than classic conventions. Furry or not, I'm always rooting for a good camping event.
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I'm suddenly reminded that it is 100% possible to have an outdoor furry event that doesn't have tidal waves of drama behind it.

One of the more prominent examples of an outdoor event done right is Western PA Furry Weekend, which has run since 2001. While it's not exactly a camping event like HMHF is (they basically rent out a giant cabin in the woods, everyone hangs out outside, and people have to be gone by 11 PM each day), I feel like it's enough proof that events like these could totally be feasible if run by competent people. Their 2021 event even managed to run with covid policies that weren't totally unreasonable (providing proof of vaccination for a badge, wearing masks while in the cabin).
 
Pinball 2000 said:
I'm suddenly reminded that it is 100% possible to have an outdoor furry event that doesn't have tidal waves of drama behind it.

One of the more prominent examples of an outdoor event done right is Western PA Furry Weekend, which has run since 2001. While it's not exactly a camping event like HMHF is (they basically rent out a giant cabin in the woods, everyone hangs out outside, and people have to be gone by 11 PM each day), I feel like it's enough proof that events like these could totally be feasible if run by competent people. Their 2021 event even managed to run with covid policies that weren't totally unreasonable (providing proof of vaccination for a badge, wearing masks while in the cabin).
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To be fair, most of the time the issue isn't so much people misbehaving on the convention floor, it's the shit they do to the associated hotel facilities. Any event not hosted at a hotel or a hotel-adjacent facility, and therefore without room parties or throngs of ambulatory shag carpets wandering the corridors causing trouble, is at a huge advantage already. A well-defined end time without any obvious nearby afterparty venues also helps a lot.

Basically, WPAFW (now that's a fucking acronym) is less a con-level event and more a two-day furmeet, and in general furmeets are a lot easier to both organize and to keep on rails. And more power to the organizers for not trying to bite off more than they could chew with it: sometimes bigger isn't better, as all the failed/abandoned/bankrupt furcons through the years can attest. I do wonder what the owner of the nearest bar thinks of the sudden influx of weirdos for two days every year, though.
 
Apparently, there was a rather interesting detail I missed in regards to Fur the More's management issues that raises a few eyebrows. Let me preface this with a disclaimer that I currently have no way to verify if this actually happened or not.

As I stated earlier, room parties at the event were being broken up almost immediately after they started. While I fully agree with the sentiment from most of the thread that room parties are obnoxious to everyone not involved, there's been a few reports that some of the parties were broken up by convention staff, NOT the hotel staff.

Now admittedly, I'm not a legal Kiwi so maybe someone else can answer this for me; are convention staff even allowed to do that, legally speaking? The furries who purchased those rooms for the weekend would have made contracts with the hotel, not the convention, and while the rooms were presumably bought within the convention's room block, hotel rooms technically aren't convention space.
 
Pinball 2000 said:
Apparently, there was a rather interesting detail I missed in regards to Fur the More's management issues that raises a few eyebrows. Let me preface this with a disclaimer that I currently have no way to verify if this actually happened or not.

As I stated earlier, room parties at the event were being broken up almost immediately after they started. While I fully agree with the sentiment from most of the thread that room parties are obnoxious to everyone not involved, there's been a few reports that some of the parties were broken up by convention staff, NOT the hotel staff.

Now admittedly, I'm not a legal Kiwi so maybe someone else can answer this for me; are convention staff even allowed to do that, legally speaking? The furries who purchased those rooms for the weekend would have made contracts with the hotel, not the convention, and while the rooms were presumably bought within the convention's room block, hotel rooms technically aren't convention space.
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I want to say that this could be legal? IIRC There's a contract that convention leaders sign with hotels that say something along the lines of "if your guests mess up our hotel, it's your responsibility, Convention Staff."
 
Pinball 2000 said:
Apparently, there was a rather interesting detail I missed in regards to Fur the More's management issues that raises a few eyebrows. Let me preface this with a disclaimer that I currently have no way to verify if this actually happened or not.

As I stated earlier, room parties at the event were being broken up almost immediately after they started. While I fully agree with the sentiment from most of the thread that room parties are obnoxious to everyone not involved, there's been a few reports that some of the parties were broken up by convention staff, NOT the hotel staff.

Now admittedly, I'm not a legal Kiwi so maybe someone else can answer this for me; are convention staff even allowed to do that, legally speaking? The furries who purchased those rooms for the weekend would have made contracts with the hotel, not the convention, and while the rooms were presumably bought within the convention's room block, hotel rooms technically aren't convention space.
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As @Spoonomancer said, this probably depends on what sort of contract the convention signed with the hotel.

At this point, I expect most hotel chains to know furcons will cause trouble, and have added more responsibility clauses to their contracts. They hosted their convention at a Hyatt hotel, specifically the Hyatt Regency Crystal City at the Reagan National Airport. That's a hotel that does not want any kind of downtime from fixing damage to furfags' rooms. So yeah, if con staff was actually breaking up the parties, there was probably some agreement with the hotel to reduce the con's own liabilities.
 
Pinball 2000 said:
Apparently, there was a rather interesting detail I missed in regards to Fur the More's management issues that raises a few eyebrows. Let me preface this with a disclaimer that I currently have no way to verify if this actually happened or not.

As I stated earlier, room parties at the event were being broken up almost immediately after they started. While I fully agree with the sentiment from most of the thread that room parties are obnoxious to everyone not involved, there's been a few reports that some of the parties were broken up by convention staff, NOT the hotel staff.

Now admittedly, I'm not a legal Kiwi so maybe someone else can answer this for me; are convention staff even allowed to do that, legally speaking? The furries who purchased those rooms for the weekend would have made contracts with the hotel, not the convention, and while the rooms were presumably bought within the convention's room block, hotel rooms technically aren't convention space.
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Does it make sense to you that people who are a) not law enforcement and b) not employees of the hotel can dictate what people do in the hotel rooms they paid for?

Lolno they don't have any authority. But I wouldn't put it past someone larping as con security to pretend to have more authority than they actually do because that's typical mall cop shit. In practise they'd whine for a little while before fetching actual hotel staff
 
JFKdestroyer said:
Speaking of Covid virtue signaling by cons...

FurTheMore happened over the weekend in Virginia. Of course, they had a vaccine requirement, but in addition to that, all attendees had to wear a "non-removable" fabric wristband to confirm just how vaccinated they were. Attendees seemed to not like this.
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Someone running the convention Twitter stated the wristbands were to prevent people from committing the unimaginable, horrific crime of using somebody else's badge to enter con space while unvaccinated.
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Apparently, the con was rejecting people for showing up without a physical vaccine card (Every other con I know of to date has allowed photographs of the card as proof) as if a vax card isn't easy to forge. This person also pointed out that the wristbands aren't impossible to remove and thus the entire purpose of them is defeated.
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It's going to be a fun couple of months, since cons will absolutely not relent with Covid mitigation, even as public health authorities end restrictions. Biggest Little Fur Con, a convention in Reno announced this past week that masks will be required (archive in case they decide to memoryhole this) along with booster shots for their convention in June, which will be four months after Nevada's Governor ended the mask mandate in that state. Some of the Covid addicts in the replies also begged for negative tests to be required. Of course, this entire "look how SAFE and GOOD we are!" performance being put on is pointless, as few (if any) will wear a mask in the crowded cum pizza room parties.
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Furcons are really determined to run themselves into the ground with vax passes because the people running it want to feel as if they're morally superior then everyone. I'm pretty sure almost every other convention at this point doesn't ask because the shit is so easy to forge. All you do is Google the card, print, fill it out, and snap a pic with your phone. I've even heard of so e people using health apps that'll take their fake vaccine card and register it but haven't seen this one myself.
 
Shqueefa said:
Furcons are really determined to run themselves into the ground with vax passes because the people running it want to feel as if they're morally superior then everyone. I'm pretty sure almost every other convention at this point doesn't ask because the shit is so easy to forge. All you do is Google the card, print, fill it out, and snap a pic with your phone. I've even heard of so e people using health apps that'll take their fake vaccine card and register it but haven't seen this one myself.
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I actually talked to someone recently who did "vaccine verification" at a furry con, and they were talking as if they were the fucking Secret Service looking at counterfeit money. They supposedly had to "send a few up to their supervisor" for being "suspicious" which included things like "the handwriting looking off", whatever the hell that means. It's just the latest way for people to feel self-important and superior at a furry convention. You don't have to be on security anymore to exert your "authority"!

I can almost guarantee that whatever was going on at Fur The More was Covid virtue signaling. "No room parties! StOp ThE SpReAd StAy SiX fEeT aPaRt WeAr 14 MaSkS"

You have to wonder how long they'll keep the charade up. Nobody is wearing masks inside private rooms, and if bigger cons want to pull a Fur The More and try to shut down one of the primary reasons people go to these things, it can be their funeral.

I'm excited to see what happens at TFF this weekend. It's Texas, they have a trans con chair, and there's not a mask mandate in sight outside of the one they're trying to enforce, along with a totally but not really vaccine mandate because they're not legally allowed to have one. It's shaping up to be a perfect storm of virtue signaling.
 
D.Va said:
Does it make sense to you that people who are a) not law enforcement and b) not employees of the hotel can dictate what people do in the hotel rooms they paid for?
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If they're empowered to boot you from the convention they work for that you paid to attend and you're keen to not get booted from it (no refunds!), sure, it makes plenty of sense. Why wouldn't it?

I actually like that power dynamic better than the previous one of just trying to beg/shame/humiliate these deviants to compel them to stop (which is impossible since they feel no shame). Hotel tells the con "keep your perverts in line or you're paying every fee we can dream up," which motivates the con to actually police its attendees' behavior. They wield the ban hammer for the con and they enjoy the friendly ear of a hotel looking for any opportunity to kick the faggots out one-by-one.

JFKdestroyer said:
I'm excited to see what happens at TFF this weekend. It's Texas, they have a trans con chair, and there's not a mask mandate in sight outside of the one they're trying to enforce, along with a totally but not really vaccine mandate because they're not legally allowed to have one. It's shaping up to be a perfect storm of virtue signaling.
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Open carry is legal there too, and they're pretty strict about preventing businesses from forbidding it if memory serves.
 
JFKdestroyer said:
I'm excited to see what happens at TFF this weekend. It's Texas, they have a trans con chair, and there's not a mask mandate in sight outside of the one they're trying to enforce, along with a totally but not really vaccine mandate because they're not legally allowed to have one. It's shaping up to be a perfect storm of virtue signaling.
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Sable? Typical AGP tranny. An incel jailhouse gay dude who couldn't get a boyfriend. Eventually got a big tiddy horse fursuit and finally started getting some attention.Decided he's totally a girl now.

It's both sad and infuriating.
 
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