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You may remember last year I've posted this image from an EL match between Leicester and Legia Warsaw of Poland, the 2020/2021 league champions of Polish Ekstraklasa.
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Well, this year Legia (who won the above match btw) finished the league 10th out of 18 teams. To add to the hilarity they've spent much of the season performing so poorly that they seriously faced relegation to the lower league (unfortunately the bastards recovered). But they aren't the most pathetic "large" team this year in Ekstraklasa. Oh no.

Enter Wisła Kraków.

This is a team that has won our top league 13 times, 13 times they were runner-ups. A team that dominated the 2000s in Poland. A team that had Kuba Błaszczykowski himself step in and save it from financial troubles in 2019 I believe. A team that has Jerzy Brzęczek, a Polish national team coach from 2019-2021, as a head coach.

It's also a team that's just been relegated. :story:

They've played abysmally this season. Brzęczek came in on February 14th this year replacing Adrian Gula, who had an average of 1.25pt/match.
Brzęczek, a very recent coach of a national football team, managed an average of 0.77pt/match. Motherfucker won ONE GAME IN THIRTEEN.
The most recent match, the one that sealed the deal, ended in a 4:2 loss after they let go a 48th-minute 2:0 lead while facing a team that this year returned to the top league after an absence of 36 years. What a fucking shitshow.

As a final proof that we live in a Clown World: in Polish there's a phrase "angielskie wyjście" (literally "English exit") which is our version of the expression "French leave" or "Irish goodbye" (don't ask me about the difference, I dunno). The name of the guy that scored a hat-trick in the above match, relegating Wisła to the lower leagues?

Karol Angielski. :story:
 
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DSP's Tax Lawyer said:
If I recall correctly, I think it was Hamburger SV who had a problem where every coach in their club from the top on down to like the little kids, was trying to backstab each other to get more power in the organization
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Spoiler bc more sperging about German clubs

Yes. The decline of HSV started around the 2009/2010 season. Until HSV got relegated to 2. Bundesliga they burned like 20+ coaches and fired several persons of upper management. They had so many interim coaches that you can barerly count them all. They were installed only for 1-3 matches and even some head coaches only made it a few games. As coaches they had Oliver Kreuzer (had a successful run with FC Bayern Munich during the 90s), Armin Veh (he won the 1.BL with VFB Stuttgart in 2006 which no one expected), Bert van Marwijk (the one who led the national team of Netherlands on 2nd place in FIFA World Cup 2010) or Bruno Labbadia (he was one of the players who led 1. FC Kaiserslautern to win 1.BL in 1991; the first champion who the Bundesliga after being relegated to 1.BL). They got big names as coaches, fired them after short time and installed some youth coach or some one who didn't even have a coaching license but was friend with someone in upper management.

In that time HSV also got rid of players like Ruud van Nistelrooy, Jerome Boateng (who moved to FC Bayern Munich and lastet there for ten years, winning every title possible as club player) or Raphael van der Vaart.
You may know the name Filip Kostic from Eintrach Frankfurt and their run in this years UEFA Euro League. He played for HSV, got relegated with HSV to 2.BL and was sold to Frankfurt where he had his break through. Back then HSV payed 14.000.000€ wich was their record transfer at this time. But they didn't know how to use him.
Or remember Halilovic? Who was a hot, young talent at FC Barcelona but didn't make it there? HSV payed a shitload of money for the loan - and then he made only 6 apperances for HSV.

And it's literally the same story with Schalke 04. They even burned more coaches in the seasons before they got relegated to 2.BL again.
A bit more trivia: Felix Magath, the coach of Hertha BSC atm, was with Schalke for some time. He was with Schalke for two years and while he was the one who bought Rául from Real Madrid and Huntelaar from AC Mailand who both were very important for Schalke back then Magath spent money for like 40+ players. In two years. Magath's time had a brutal impact on Schalke's financial situation. The club still suffers from this time and still is in debt. It's that bad that when Schalke got relegated to 2.BL again they had to get a credit from the goverment of the city of Gelsenkirchen (the city where Schalke is based) or otherwise the club would have gone bankrupt.

It's like a pattern for big German clubs and their decline.
- have success
- try to get on the level of Bayern Munich
- struggle
- burn a lot of coaches, burn a lot of money for players, create tons of drama, fight your bitchfights in every media possible
- keep the struglle going on
- burn more coaches, money and players and create more drama that get's exposed
- get relegated to 2.BL
- profit ???

The only difference between HSV and Schalke on the one side and Hertha BSC on the other side is that Hertha has the big money bc of the new investment group.
 
Some brief updates.


PSG have apparently come to terms with the fact that they can't sign Mbappe and they expect him to sign with Real Madrid soon


Lionel Messi has agreed to sign with Inter Miami after his PSG contract runs out. He is expected to get 35% stake in the club as part of the deal
 
Is anyone here who follows Turkish Süper Lig and could explain what is going on with Galatasaray Istanbul?

Last year they placed 2nd and this year they are 11th with only 1 game to go and only becoming 9th if they would win and two other clubs would lose at the same time. This year they even lost to a Second-Division club in the national cup.

Did they get punished for corruption -which wouldn't surprise me overall- or are they just really bad this year?

For shit and giggles: Here is Galatasaray's Macao headbutting and punching his own teammate during a league game.

 
Atomkrieg said:
Last year they placed 2nd and this year they are 11th with only 1 game to go and only becoming 9th if they would win and two other clubs would lose at the same time. This year they even lost to a Second-Division club in the national cup.
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Isn't the country heavily in debt right now? I am sure that's not the main cause, but likely a factor
 
Anchors-Away said:
Isn't the country heavily in debt right now? I am sure that's not the main cause, but likely a factor
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It is (see below)

Atomkrieg said:
Is anyone here who follows Turkish Süper Lig and could explain what is going on with Galatasaray Istanbul?

Last year they placed 2nd and this year they are 11th with only 1 game to go and only becoming 9th if they would win and two other clubs would lose at the same time. This year they even lost to a Second-Division club in the national cup.

Did they get punished for corruption -which wouldn't surprise me overall- or are they just really bad this year?

For shit and giggles: Here is Galatasaray's Macao headbutting and punching his own teammate during a league game.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=D_he0dkoTIQ
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So I found this article explaining some of the individual factors for why the big 3 in turkish football are failing. Debt is one of the factors but there is also:

-Introduction of VAR. Home field advantage in influencing refs seems to have been a reason for why some of these clubs do well. In most situations I would call this bullshit, but you just need to watch a regular season game at home to see how crazy these fans really are. Then you could believe that refs might be tilting in the home teams favor
-The limit on foreign players has risen. So now smaller turkish teams can bring in cheap foreign talent to compete against the bigger clubs instead of just hoping to take the lesser turkish talent and try to win the league. Currently you are allowed to have 8 foreign players on the pitch and 14 on the roster.
 
DSP's Tax Lawyer said:
-Introduction of VAR. Home field advantage in influencing refs seems to have been a reason for why some of these clubs do well. In most situations I would call this bullshit, but you just need to watch a regular season game at home to see how crazy these fans really are. Then you could believe that refs might be tilting in the home favor
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I totally buy this. In 2014 I was visiting Istanbul because a friend invited me to go and see Galatasaray against Fenerbahce. It was absolutely insane.
 
One last dance by Atkinson, here. Doing everything he can to hand City the title.

Edit: Minamino got one back. Soton 1-1 Liverpool.
 
Anchors-Away said:
Personally I am happy Nottingham Forest is winning and likely going up.

Brennan Johnson was Brentford's main transfer target and they couldn't snag him for £20mil. So hopefully the lad does well in the Premiership.
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Certain they'll beat Huddersfield in the final?
 
DSP's Tax Lawyer said:
Jesus, how did you not die going to that game?
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My dude is a Galatasaray supporter and we where in a Galatasaray block. He also gave me one of his fan Gala scarves for mimicry. Most of the Turkish Gala fans were very friendly.

But after the game when we were heading back home through the city we were hiding the Gala stuff bc we didn't want to get into trouble with Fener fans bc Fener lost the game. And I absolutely didn't want to get into a fight and go to a Turkish jail as foreigner and "football hooligan" lol
 
Liverpool certainly making sure that the #narrative is in play. At least it makes Sunday morning enjoyable. Going to probably go to a footy bar, order some breakfast, and watch 8 different games
 
Steve Cooper almost found a way to bottle another playoff 😳. For his sake, he'd better have Forest better prepared for Wembley than he did Swansea last year when they didn't show up at all vs Brentford.
 
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