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Looks like the European Super League is back on the menu boys: https://archive.is/67ihh

Banning clubs from joining a European Super League was unlawful and Uefa and Fifa are "abusing a dominant position", the European Court of Justice has said.
It comes after a case was brought by the ESL and its backers claiming Uefa and Fifa were breaking competition law by threatening to sanction those who joined the breakaway league.

The European Union's highest court found against the governing bodies.
It added that did not mean a breakaway league would "necessarily be approved".

An initial report released last December by the ECJ said the rules of football's European and world governing bodies were "compatible with EU competition law".
The verdict will be seen as a blow to the authority of Uefa and Fifa and how they govern the game.
Uefa said it was "confident in the robustness" of rules it has brought in since the ESL was first proposed, and that it would "comply with all relevant European laws and regulations".
It added it trusted football's existing set-up would be "safeguarded against the threat of breakaways by European and national laws".

Barcelona - one of the initial 12 clubs to agree to the ESL - said the verdict "paved the way for a new competition".
And ESL backers A22 then released revamped proposals, which this time include a women's European tournament.
The plan would feature a league system with 64 clubs across three leagues in the men's competition, and 32 clubs across two leagues in the women's competition. Both would involve promotion and relegation.
The ESL had initially been intended to be a midweek competition consisting of two groups of 10 teams, followed by a play-off phase.
Anger grew when details emerged that the 12 founding clubs would never have to forfeit their places in the league, locking out all but five other clubs across the whole of Europe in the process, once another three founding clubs had been confirmed.
Fans protested that the ESL would be detrimental to leagues across Europe and that greed was the driving factor for clubs joining, with no consideration for supporters.
The report said that when new competitions are "potentially entering the market" Fifa and Uefa must ensure their powers are "transparent, objective, non-discriminatory and proportionate".
The report added: "However, the powers of Fifa and Uefa are not subject to any such criteria. Fifa and Uefa are, therefore, abusing a dominant position.
"Moreover, given their arbitrary nature, their rules on approval, control and sanctions must be held to be unjustified restrictions on the freedom to provide services.
"That does not mean that a competition such as the Super League project must necessarily be approved. The Court does not rule on that specific project in its judgment."
Bernd Reichart, chief executive of A22, wrote on X - formerly Twitter - that the ESL "have won the right to exist".
He added: "Uefa's monopoly is over. Football is free. Clubs are now free from the threat of sanctions and free to determine their own future.
"For fans: we offer free broadcasting of all Superleague matches. For clubs: Income and solidarity expenses will be guaranteed."
The ESL saga began in April 2021 when news broke that 12 teams - including English teams Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Manchester City, Manchester United and Tottenham - had signed up to the breakaway competition.
There was widespread fury and condemnation from fans, other European leagues and even government, leading to the collapse of the plans within 72 hours.
The six Premier League clubs plus Atletico Madrid, Inter Milan and AC Milan were fined by Uefa, but action against Real Madrid, Barcelona and Juventus was halted during the legal process, although Juventus signalled their intention to quit the project in July.
The ESL has not been scrapped completely, however, with Real Madrid and Barcelona remaining interested in pursuing the venture.
Real welcomed the ruling, saying clubs will now be the "masters of their own destiny".
"It is a great day for the history of football and for the history of sports," a statement added.
Meanwhile, Spain's La Liga said European football had "spoken".
The statement said: "Today, more than ever, we reiterate that the "Super League" is a selfish and elitist model.
"Anything that is not fully open, with direct access only through the domestic leagues, season by season, is a closed format."

No-one expected this judgement to be so powerful​

Analysis from Simon Stone, BBC Sport
This judgement is a massive blow to Uefa and Fifa and their authority to govern the game.
The wording of the ruling from the 15-strong Grand Chamber is damning.
It says their structures mean there is no way of checking whether their operations are 'transparent, objective, non-discriminatory and proportionate'.
It says the rules around commercial rights are anti-competitive.
This does not mean a European Super League is coming. For the English clubs in particular a lot of bad blood was created by the ill-fated launch of the project in 2021. Unpicking that, certainly in the short-term, will not be easy.
However, those who have pushed the project now know they can go away and speak to who they want, when they want, about a vision for European football that suits them, and Uefa and Fifa will have to work with them or risk losing their power.
No-one, including Uefa and Fifa, expected this judgement to be so powerful.
The ramifications will be felt for a long time to come.

They've already released revised plans for the league: https://archive.is/MYewE

Revamped plans for a controversial European Super League have been announced after a top court ruled that banning clubs from joining a breakaway league was unlawful.

The proposal is for a league system which would include 64 men's clubs and 32 women's clubs.
The plans for a new ESL format would rival current Uefa tournaments.

Following the announcement, Manchester United said in a statement they remain "fully committed" to Uefa competitions.

United were one of the founding clubs of the original ESL but backed out following widespread condemnation of the plans.

The club said their position has "not changed" and they remain dedicated to "positive cooperation with Uefa, the Premier League, and fellow clubs through the ECA [European Clubs Association] on the continued development of the European game."

A case was brought by the ESL and its backers claiming Uefa and Fifa were breaking competition law by threatening to sanction those who joined the breakaway league.

On Thursday the European Court of Justice found against the governing bodies but said that did not mean a breakaway league would "necessarily be approved".
But the ruling has opened the door for new proposals to be put forward and for clubs to look to organise and manage European football competitions.

Put forward by A22 - backers of the original ESL - the new proposal outlines an annual promotion and relegation system with no permanent members.

Fans would also be able to watch live matches for free on a new digital streaming platform.

No clubs or prize money have been announced but in a statement the ECA said: "To be absolutely clear, the judgment in no way whatsoever supports or endorses any form of Super League project.

"Football is a social contract not a legal contract - all the recognised stakeholders of European and world football - spanning confederations, federations, clubs, leagues, players and fans - stand more united than ever against the attempts by a few individuals pursing personal agendas to undermine the very foundations and basic principles of European football."

Following the ECJ's ruling, the Football Supporters Association said: "There is no place for an ill-conceived breakaway super league.

"Supporters, players and clubs have already made clear they don't want a stitched-up competition - we all want to see the trigger pulled on the walking dead monstrosity that is the European Zombie League.

"While the corpse might continue to twitch in the European courts, no English side will be joining.

"Success must be earned on the pitch, not stitched-up in boardrooms."

The ESL saga began in April 2021 when news broke that 12 teams - including English teams Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Manchester City, Manchester United and Tottenham - had signed up to the breakaway competition.

There was widespread fury and condemnation from fans, European domestic leagues and even government, leading to the collapse of the plans within 72 hours.

Revamped European Super League format - how would new competition work?​

The proposal from A22 says the new competition would include the continent's top clubs in men's and women's football.

In the men's competition, the top tiers - the Star League and the Gold League - would each consist of 16 teams while the Blue League, the bottom tier, would consist of 32 clubs with promotion and relegation between each tier.

The teams that finish in the top eight of each league go into the knockout stages, with quarter-finals and semi-finals played over two legs and the finals held at neutral venues.

The bottom 20 teams in the Blue league would be relegated from the competition entirely and replaced by the top-performing clubs from European domestic leagues.

The two teams that make the final of the Gold and Blue leagues would be promoted up a tier, while the two teams that finish bottom of the Star and Gold leagues would be relegated down a tier.

Matches would be played in midweek, allowing the new competition to be run in tandem with European domestic leagues.

The proposed women's competition would be run on a similar model.

"Our position has not changed. We remain fully committed to participation in UEFA competitions, and to positive cooperation with UEFA, the Premier League, and fellow clubs through the ECA on the continued development of the European game."

Who would be interested in a breakaway league?​

The collapse of the original ESL came when nine of the 12 clubs who signed up to the project stepped back in 2021 with Juventus also withdrawing their interest earlier this year.

Spanish clubs Real Madrid and Barcelona have stuck to the general principles of having a new European competition and after plans for a revamped ESL were announced Barca president Joan Laporta said "the time has come for clubs to have greater control over their destiny".

In a video posted on social media, he said: "With an improved European competition and more resources from the clubs, the national leagues will become more balanced and competitive.

"We believe that an historic opportunity is now open to try to show some of the serious problems that currently jeopardise the future viability of the vast majority of clubs.

"Barcelona will try to promote methods to improve current European competitions in an open and fully meritocratic format, making football more sustainable for the club, much more supportive of amateur football, more attractive and affordable for fans around the world. This proposal aims to improve football as a whole."

Real Madrid president Florentino Perez also declared it a "great day for the history of football".

However, aside from the two Spanish giants, other European clubs and leagues have joined Manchester United in opposing the ESL.

Bayern Munich expressed their support for European competition under Uefa and said "the door for the Super League at FC Bayern remains closed".

The German Football League, which is in charge of the Bundesliga, said it "explicitly supports the European sports model and rejects competitions outside those competitions organised by the federations and the leagues".

France's Ligue de Football Professionnel said it "unequivocally supports" competitions organised by Uefa.

All advantage lies with Uefa​

Analysis from Miguel Delaney - chief football writer at The Independent

All anybody really cares about is can a European Super League be launched?

And what this judgement does is say it is still immensely complicated.

All advantage lies with Uefa and crucially the Super League would still have to get authorisation from Uefa.

What today's ruling does is it basically preserves the power of the governing bodies. It makes it clear that legally sporting merit needs to be protected.
 
If Allah wills it, Juve will get rid of Allegri this summer and sign Motta. I could also see a premier league team bringing him in. Or maybe a club he has a history with like PSG or Barca (they look terrible this year under Xavi).
I don't think Barca will part ways with Xavi if they beat Napoli and qualify for champions league again next year. They are under insane financial issues and Xavi is working with what they can bring him. PSG are under the Enrique experiment and that will take some time. If he is willing, I think Juve would be a great spot for him with the young talent coming up for him to work with along with his scouting.


Looks like the European Super League is back on the menu boys
Dead in the water. Barca and Real Madrid are the only 2 still pushing for it
 
Cologne (Köln) is fucked. 10 goals in 16 matches is really bad and they might not even get a new forward in the winter transfer window as they are facing a transfer ban (they are fighting it in the courts atm) and they are also completely broke.
... aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand their coach is gone. Merry christmas.

... aaaaaaaaaaand the transfer ban got confirmed. Now they can't bring in any new player in this winter transfer window or the next one in summer.
Merry christmas.
 
In other news: That ex-PSG coach who faced trial for racism (Galtier) got aquitted. Turns out some journos crying about shit that was allegedly said without any evidence isn't enough to sentence someone.

And speaking of ex-PSG guys: Ezequiel Lavezzi got stabbed. Allegedly by someone from his own family.

And while we are at PSG: Someone broke into the home of PSG goalkeeper Letellier and punched his wife in the face.

Playing for PSG seems to be dangerous. A list of (ex) PSG players who faced some home invasion: Donnarumma, Thiago Silva, Angel Di Maria, Dani Alves, Choupo-Moting, Mauro Icardi
 
Paris has turned into a shithole. Even though he never played for PSG, let’s not forget about Paris native Paul Pogba who was recently extorted by a group of African thugs which included his own brother.
Turns out importing half the continent of Africa to win 1 World Cup isn't worth the trade off of having your capital and prize city turn into a literal shit hole
 
I don't think Barca will part ways with Xavi if they beat Napoli and qualify for champions league again next year. They are under insane financial issues and Xavi is working with what they can bring him.
I also think Xavi will get more time due to financial issues and his legendary status at the club. But they have so much talent at the moment, it's kind of crazy how poor they look. Gundogan, Joao Felix and Joao Cancelo all brought in during the summer. Then you have the young players from their superb academy. I just don't understand how they look so bad when they play. Maybe it's down to the decline of Lewandowski. RabonaTV did a video on this recently and I haven't finished it yet but apparently Lewandowski fell off hard after the World Cup and that trend has continued into this season. Not good news for Barca.
If he is willing, I think Juve would be a great spot for him with the young talent coming up for him to work with along with his scouting.
Yeah I'm really hoping for this. I think he could make Juve great again, they've been pretty much off the map the last 4 seasons. The fact that Allegri wasn't sacked immediately after losing to Maccabi Haifa in the Champions League last year shows how bad things have gotten.

Tomorrow Juve play Frosinone, who currently have 3 of our talented young players on loan. They've all been doing really well, especially Soule. So I'm looking forward to that.

As an aside, I've heard rumors that Arsenal are after Kenan Yildiz in January. I will be so pissed if you guys pull that off. He's probably gonna be a top player in 2 years or so.
 
I also think Xavi will get more time due to financial issues and his legendary status at the club. But they have so much talent at the moment, it's kind of crazy how poor they look. Gundogan, Joao Felix and Joao Cancelo all brought in during the summer. Then you have the young players from their superb academy. I just don't understand how they look so bad when they play. Maybe it's down to the decline of Lewandowski. RabonaTV did a video on this recently and I haven't finished it yet but apparently Lewandowski fell off hard after the World Cup and that trend has continued into this season. Not good news for Barca.
Its not entirely on Lewandowski. Their defense was playing so much better than their XG last season but this year, they are giving up similar if not more goals than their XG. Felix was a good signing but Gundogan is still slow for a defensive mid and I would think De Jong would be a better choice for that role and Cancelo hates to defend. Jules Kunde has also fallen off big time which hurts that defense. Another thing to remember is the injuries to both Pedri and Gavi this season. That really fucks up this barca team. I don't think much of this is down to Xavi's control and I would give him another season, unless they miss out on Champions League. I know Bilbao are chasing them right now but thats a 3 point gap and Atletico are right with them. If he qualifies and beats Napoli, his job should be secure



Yeah I'm really hoping for this. I think he could make Juve great again, they've been pretty much off the map the last 4 seasons. The fact that Allegri wasn't sacked immediately after losing to Maccabi Haifa in the Champions League last year shows how bad things have gotten.
If I were optimistic as a Juve fan, I would think this is the last of Allegri so just cheer for them to get Champions League and then let Motta work. You guys look like you will finish comfortably in second place, not challenging for the title but not in a scrap for Champions League. Just let the older players retire, let Allegri go off into the sunset as the guy who handled the club through difficult times off the pitch, and bring in Motta to work with the young talent coming through.



As an aside, I've heard rumors that Arsenal are after Kenan Yildiz in January. I will be so pissed if you guys pull that off. He's probably gonna be a top player in 2 years or so.
Liverpool are also in that chase. I think they have a better need of a player like him but it would be nice to have him. I don't know if Vieira is going to work out, Smith Rowe is just not playing, and Trossard should never be playing attacking mid. Havertz, Odegaard, Rice at times, and then Yildiz as our attacking midfield options would be amazing ngl
 
Luis Suarez is joining Inter Miami.
4 of the starting lineup from that legendary Barca team is at Inter Miami. Iniesta is currently playing in the UAE so he could potentially sign for a quick contract before retiring. Neymar is in Saudi League and would probably need a loan to play for them at some point. Rakitic is at Sevilla so not leaving anytime soon. Dani Alves is on trial for sexual assault, so probably can't get him. Pique and Mascherano are retired so thats probably a no go. ter Stegen is still at Barca. Xavi is a manager for barca so can't grab him, Pedro is still playing with Lazio, Mathieu retired, Rahinha is in Qatar, Bartra is playing with Real Betis along with Claudio Bravo, and Adriano is retired. So basically, they could put together most of that team if they wanted to this year.


Honestly, I would love to see this. I would actively seek to go watch a game if they tried to put together that Barca team from the 2015 finals as best they could. Just to see them playing in a somewhat serious game that you couldn't replicate with a friendly. I feel like that would be worth the money for a game
 
MLS owners wouldn't go for it because there's still some kind of alleged salary cap in that league, even though MLS seems to play favorites in terms of what franchises are able to bring in multiple international stars.

The ESL Madrid and Barcelona wants is going to backfire because if they're complaining about fixture congestion now, the ESL would make it only worse. And the backlash of Madrid and Barcelona not being in La Liga or Copa del Rey would be enough to financially cripple those leagues and competitions. Plus, you're only replacing UEFA financial corruption with Flroentino Perez Madrid corruption. Fuck that shit and fuck all the ungrateful Madrid fans (real and bandwagon) who feel they're owed every championship because they're Real Madrid.

Barcelona's money problems are so bad, they're forced to play money grab friendlies in the US vs Liga MX clubs like Club America 48 hours after playing a La Liga match. Absolute insanity. As a result, they fielded a bunch of kids and lost the friendly to America. Now all the faggot bandwagon America fans think they're hot shit because they won their domestic league on Sunday (in somewhat controversial fashion) and beat a bunch of Barcelona kids.
 
Liverpool are also in that chase. I think they have a better need of a player like him but it would be nice to have him. I don't know if Vieira is going to work out, Smith Rowe is just not playing, and Trossard should never be playing attacking mid. Havertz, Odegaard, Rice at times, and then Yildiz as our attacking midfield options would be amazing ngl
He just got his first start and scored a spectacular goal in the first 15 minutes. Had 3 players around him, dribbled through them and fired a shot into the bottom corner. Check out the highlights when they're up, it was really impressive. I trust Giuntoli not to sell him any time soon, it would be madness.
 
The ESL Madrid and Barcelona wants is going to backfire because if they're complaining about fixture congestion now, the ESL would make it only worse. And the backlash of Madrid and Barcelona not being in La Liga or Copa del Rey would be enough to financially cripple those leagues and competitions. Plus, you're only replacing UEFA financial corruption with Flroentino Perez Madrid corruption. Fuck that shit and fuck all the ungrateful Madrid fans (real and bandwagon) who feel they're owed every championship because they're Real Madrid.

Barcelona's money problems are so bad, they're forced to play money grab friendlies in the US vs Liga MX clubs like Club America 48 hours after playing a La Liga match. Absolute insanity. As a result, they fielded a bunch of kids and lost the friendly to America. Now all the faggot bandwagon America fans think they're hot shit because they won their domestic league on Sunday (in somewhat controversial fashion) and beat a bunch of Barcelona kids.
They have no other clubs who want to join. So there is no power to opt out of those other competitions. Appealing to the fans of these clubs is just stupid. There's too many stupid fans who become a loud minority (or even worse a majority) that just say shit that makes no sense. And they vote people into power over the club.



Not a single word about the Club World Cup in this thread? Goes to show how much yuros care about this competition.

BTW City blew the snot out of Fluminense in the finals, 4-0. Without De Bruyne and Haaland.
It was always City's to win. And now its going to be turned into a glorified friendly instead of a fun little winter tournament played in the middle east. The only time it gets interesting is when the South American team either challenges the european team or when the south american team is so bad that the African/Asian champs sneak into the final game



He just got his first start and scored a spectacular goal in the first 15 minutes. Had 3 players around him, dribbled through them and fired a shot into the bottom corner. Check out the highlights when they're up, it was really impressive. I trust Giuntoli not to sell him any time soon, it would be madness.
I would expect you guys to sell Vlahovic before selling him. Especially since you guys turned down 60 mil offers for him before
 
What is it about getting to the top of the Premier League and shitting the bed? Tottenham did it, Man City did it, Arsenal did it, Liverpool did it, and now Aston Villa did it (pretty sure they were top of the table for a few hours). Unless you are top of the table at the end of the year, it seems to just be a curse to hang out at the top spot
 
What is it about getting to the top of the Premier League and shitting the bed? Tottenham did it, Man City did it, Arsenal did it, Liverpool did it, and now Aston Villa did it (pretty sure they were top of the table for a few hours). Unless you are top of the table at the end of the year, it seems to just be a curse to hang out at the top spot
Right on time with Arsenal and Villa shitting the bed again
 
It’s getting real exhausting watching my team every fucking week. What a waste of a season with a dinosaur in charge who learned his trade in 1960 and hasn’t adapted since. The moment he fucks off or dies I’m having a beer. I also had to cancel subs to a few podcasts with all the fake positivity and managerial cocksucking they do. Literal boomers with zero ambition, just happy to be invited to the party. The only voice of reason is constantly apologising like he broke his mothers favourite vase. Fucking cuck stand up for your opinions you pussy.
 
Right on time with Arsenal and Villa shitting the bed again
Another disasterclass from Zinchenko. He should've been in the midfield with Havetz out. Arteta didn't take West Ham seriously and paid the price. Hopefully he learns before it's too late, no one wants to see City win again and it's starting to look like Liverpool and Arsenal are the only true contenders.
 
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