FX's The Shield Appreciation Thread - Good cop and bad cop left for the day. I'm a different kind of cop.

Skyler being the Carmella of Breaking Bad is spot on. The moment that clinched it for me was how frustrated she was at Ted Beneke’s sanctimonious attitude when it came to paying the fine for cooking the books (which she signed off on, which makes her a sloppy accountant) because she wanted to cover her ass only to pull the same sanctimonious shit on Walter when she decided she didn’t want to deal with the potential downsides of money laundering.

I also agree that Corrine isn’t really bad, I just think she really didn’t know what Vic was up to and couldn’t handle it as she started to find out more. Vic was a lot more clever and secretive so I don’t think she could surmise anything.
I couldn't remember the wife's name, thought she's like Korean or other Asian blend, hence why she'd be materialistic and would totally dump her husband over a failed campaign. She was the worst spouse in the show not counting Vic and his unrepentant infidelity.
Aurora is a lahteenah with chinky eyes. She’s only in the marriage to be a power couple and she couldn’t handle any moments where David actually needed a wife and not a #bossbitch. I agree, definitely the worst spouse on the show.
there is not a lot of the shield retrospectives out there,
Only in the last few years have people started to give the show it’s due. For a long time, people were convinced it was far inferior to The Wire, which was a huge favorite of hipsters. I think there will be more people who will appreciate the show over time.
 
Only in the last few years have people started to give the show it’s due. For a long time, people were convinced it was far inferior to The Wire, which was a huge favorite of hipsters. I think there will be more people who will appreciate the show over time.
I think people like to forget how godawful and rushed the final season of The Wire was and the ridiculous legal drugs area plot from the third season. It's a good show, but holy shit did it have its low points. The Shield is actually far more consistent in terms of quality, which I can say for certain because I'm re-watching it as I type this.
 
I think people like to forget how godawful and rushed the final season of The Wire
I can rewatch the first four seasons on loop but, yeah, that final season is awful. The serial killer plot is retarded as everyone already knows, the newspaper parts aren't too bad (largely carried by Clark Johnson) but it doesn't really add anything to the show and it's obviously just there for David Simon to seethe about his former profession (journalism); outside of the serial killer stuff the police work is mostly downgraded to Lester occasionally popping into a closet to listen in on an illegal wire tap, and S5 is also where the writers start handwringing over identity politics (the characters whining about nobody caring about dead black people).

Just about the only good parts of season five are the street crime (Marlo and such) and the actual finale itself.
 
I think people like to forget how godawful and rushed the final season of The Wire
Yea, The Wire's final season was half-baked and anticlimactic. The whole serial killer idea became too much of an afterthought as everyone know who did it to the point where it becomes more like a Scooby Doo cartoon. It goes to show you that David Simon is just a shitty writer through and through
 
The last two shows David Simon made are The Plot Against America, a show based off a book that is just Jewish fear porn about what if America has a "fascist" President, and We Own This City, a show that claims that none of the corrupt actions of the police officers in the show would have been allowed to happen if only Hillary had her turn. He fell off hard.

That being said, David Chase is still worse for having the last scene of The Many Saints of Newark being his cool black man OC scaring an old white man by walking on the same sidewalk as him.
 
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Only in the last few years have people started to give the show it’s due. For a long time, people were convinced it was far inferior to The Wire, which was a huge favorite of hipsters. I think there will be more people who will appreciate the show over time.
After all those years, I’m finally vindicated.

You have no idea how many times I had that argument with people, The fact is that while The Wire was pretty good, it was some fantasy bullshit where all the black dindus are Shakespearean dramatic characters instead of the low lives that the Shield portrayed them to be, which is far closer to what reality is like.
 
The last two shows David Simon made are The Plot Against America, a show based off a book that is just Jewish fear porn about what if America has a "fascist" President, and We Own This City, a show that claims that none of the corrupt actions of the police officers in the show would have been allowed to happen if only Hillary had her turn. He fell off hard.

That being said, David Chase is still worse for having the last scene of The Many Saints of Newark being his cool black man OC scaring an old white man by walking on the same sidewalk as him.
David Simon completely contradicted his entire career when he whined that Donald Trump was too mean about Baltimore. This kike spent 20 years or so of his adult life pointing out the numerous issues of Baltimore for the National stage to see and hear but now he’s all on board with it. That’s why the last few years are him just focusing on, as you point out, Jewish fear porn instead so he doesn’t have to explain his contradictions later.
After all those years, I’m finally vindicated.

You have no idea how many times I had that argument with people, The fact is that while The Wire was pretty good, it was some fantasy bullshit where all the black dindus are Shakespearean dramatic characters instead of the low lives that the Shield portrayed them to be, which is far closer to what reality is like.
These days I enjoy poking fun to Wirefags how fantastical and nonsensical the plots beyond the first two seasons. It felt like Simon knew that season three was wildly unrealistic so he had to reel it back for season four but he completely ran out of ideas for season five.

The Shield by comparison kept things tight during its entire run, which served to amp up the feeling that everything was always one or two steps away from falling apart, which you’d expect from a team that plays things as fast and loose as possible to get by. Wirefags preferred philosophical niggers and irony drenched plots, which is as basic as it gets. Not that I want to be those fags that say “they just don’t get the show, man” but many really didn’t. On the surface it was a bunch of white guys cracking nigger and beaner skulls and seemingly getting away with it but there was many layers to the show. Whereas The Wire pretends to be deep but is pretty one dimensional. I like The Wire but it’s not holding up against the test of time. However neither show could actually be made today.
 
the shield, from it conception, was always about the the ideals of civil liberties vs security/safety. and to give the writers credit, the show was written amorally and left the judgement to the audience themselves. the show never told you how to feel about the story. this is really in contrast to the wire.

overall i liked the wire. but the wire had morals written into its story. yes, it was less libtard moral than today's writing but the leftist morals were there. season 1, the war on drugs is wrong. season 2, unions are righteous but has to do illegal activities due to neoliberalism. season 3, policy reform is not possible because the institutions are corrupt. season 4, schools are failing because the institutions are corrupt. season 5, the media is failing because of capitalism. no real examination of both sides of the issue to flush out the subject matter. you are basically told how to feel through the story.

the best scene in the shield is the mackey confession. not just because of the acting, but because the scene made the audience face the crimes without filter. and it was not written to make you hate mackey, it just a recounting of what mackey did. if you felt repulsed, that was on you, not the writing.


 
If I had to say anything about The Shield's depth in terms of message, it's how self-centered and isolated cities, specifically big "multicultural" ones like LA, are. There is no real community. Everyone is working within their own interest. The One-Niners fuck over each other and everyone else, the beaner gangs fuck over each other and everyone else, the Armenians fuck over each other and everyone else, and the police also fuck over each other and everyone else. Law, justice, morals, and ethics the characters bring up is just a veneer over their self-interest or fragile egos. Julien does things to feel like a righteous man yet lashes out like a child when it suits him, Vic likes being in control but hides behind the idea of doing things for the greater good, Claudette steps on other peoples toes when she thinks she's doing the right thing yet recoils at anyone doing the same to her, Aceveda wants to be powerful yet hides behind the idea of being righteous, and Dutch likes feeling smart under the guise of wanting to see justice done.

I didn't feel like Vic did anything different than anyone else by the end. He just took it the furthest. Biggest piece of shit in a sea of turds doesn't change everyone else being shit.
 
I can rewatch the first four seasons on loop but, yeah, that final season is awful. The serial killer plot is retarded as everyone already knows, the newspaper parts aren't too bad (largely carried by Clark Johnson) but it doesn't really add anything to the show and it's obviously just there for David Simon to seethe about his former profession (journalism); outside of the serial killer stuff the police work is mostly downgraded to Lester occasionally popping into a closet to listen in on an illegal wire tap, and S5 is also where the writers start handwringing over identity politics (the characters whining about nobody caring about dead black people).

Just about the only good parts of season five are the street crime (Marlo and such) and the actual finale itself.

The best way to watch The Wire is to just watch seasons one through three and stop there. Season four was, for all intent, a stealth reboot and most of the season basically material from a rejected Wire spin-off starring Littlefinger from Game of Thrones that got shot down because of the main show's bad ratings. The stuff with the kids also reeked of a rejected spin-off of The Corner (a mini-series about drug addicts in Baltimore that was released prior to The Wire and is considered to be a "season zero" of the series/trial run for The Wire).

Yea, The Wire's final season was half-baked and anticlimactic. The whole serial killer idea became too much of an afterthought as everyone know who did it to the point where it becomes more like a Scooby Doo cartoon. It goes to show you that David Simon is just a shitty writer through and through

Some have joked that season five of The Wire, besides being a shit fit over Simon being pissed off still at his former newspaper employers (who IIRC fired Simons because he kept demanding more and more time off to write novels after Homicide came out and made him famous), was Simons aping The Shield given that the serial killer plot was the sort of halfbaked scheme you'd expect from Vic Mackey and Shane Vendrell to come up with. And something of a shot at The Shield, which started bringing up crime stats as a plot point in season six.

The last two shows David Simon made are The Plot Against America, a show based off a book that is just Jewish fear porn about what if America has a "fascist" President, and We Own This City, a show that claims that none of the corrupt actions of the police officers in the show would have been allowed to happen if only Hillary had her turn. He fell off hard.

That being said, David Chase is still worse for having the last scene of The Many Saints of Newark being his cool black man OC scaring an old white man by walking on the same sidewalk as him.

The Plot Against America was intelligence insulting given that Simons rewrote the ending to be EXPLICITLY a cry for Great Britan to outright ASSASSINATE Trump for the US (in the boo Limburgh's death was a legit deus ex machina suicide), reduce the big twist at the end (tossed in by the original writer, who had major case of Bush Derangement Syndrome, to cover his ass on his slandering of Limburg by stating that Limburgh was blackmailed by the Nazis, who had kidnapped and brainwashed his son to use him as a puppet President and drove him to suicide) to be Q Anon tier shit Wynona Ryder tells her sister to try and get her to forgive her for siding with Limburgh, and worse of all, the bullshit ending that Simon invented where it's Limburgh's VP that rigs the vote to keep him in power via the snap election, as opposed to the book which EXPLICITLY states that FDR pulls a Biden and rigs the vote to get him back in power so that the timeline gets restored so that FDR, in his first act as the newly elected President, is to bring the US into WW2.

As for WOTC, I never finished watching it, but it felt like a badly done faux sixth season of the Wire* by way of The Shield written by someone (Simon) who is still fucking butt-hurt that Shawn Ryan can still get work and has a long running show on CBS whereas Simon is stuck at HBO, churning out minis and his last two shows barely got to three seasons and in the case of his porno show, is radioactive because he hired James Franco just as Franco got outed and outed HARD as a sex pest.

*Simon has stated he intended The Wire season six, had the show not been canceled, to be able Baltimore's hispanic immigrant population and their experiences, but has stated when he started preliminary work on the premise in hopes of getting a post-script season six made by HBO several years after the show ended, that he couldn't come up with a plot since the hispanic population of Baltimore is pretty small and the hispanic immigrants Simon talked to didn't have anything exciting to talk about life-wise, forcing him to instead make Treme instead, due to one of the main characters on The Wire having lived through Hurricane Katrina and kept telling Simon about the fall out from the hurricane upon his family and friends.
 
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The best way to watch The Wire is to just watch seasons one through three and stop there. Season four was, for all intent, a stealth reboot and most of the season basically material from a rejected Wire spin-off starring Littlefinger from Game of Thrones that got shot down because of the main show's bad ratings. The stuff with the kids also reeked of a rejected spin-off of The Corner (a mini-series about drug addicts in Baltimore that was released prior to The Wire and is considered to be a "season zero" of the series/trial run for The Wire).
I actually really like the school stuff, though I went to public, inner-city schools in the '90s and early '00s, so it probably resonated with me more than it did for others.
 
I never got that the show was trying to put Claudette on a pedestal. Her personal life is a fucking trash fire, what she did in the last couple episodes was just an extension of that. All that she really had going for her was that's she's a good detective. She wasn't expected to be a decent captain either, city hall just needed a non-white woman in the chair.

Around season two they retooled Claudette to be Vic's main rival after they had Acaveda effectively bend the knee after the season one finale, to an alliance with Vic purely to damage control things after Gilroy (Vic's mentor) tried to screw him over. But it was mainly due to the fact that CCH Pounder, along with Walt Goggins, were the break-out stars of the show in terms of Shield being the show that made people realize "She can really act" after years of "that guy" supporting actor gigs ala Goggins (who was also a "that guy" type supporting actor).

They did with Melfi because she has Tony as a patient for the entire series, and I haven't watched The Americans to argue on that one.

Complaints about Melfi from fans of Sopranos tend to center around the contrivance of the rape storyline in season three (done purely because Loraine Bracco was getting antsy about not getting to do anything on the show, so David Chase had "Employee of the Month" written as a spotlight for her by way of giving her a rape storyline).

The central complaint about Employee of the Month tend to focus center on the fact that Melfi didn't tell Tony about getting raped so that he can kill her rapist, after the episode had a BS plot twist where the cops fuck up the investigation and as such, can't arrest the man who rape her. These folks ignore the fact that the entire point of the episode is to put Melfi in a "what you truly are deep down in your heart in the dark" character exploration. Mainly the fact that even though she COULD have gotten Tony to murder the man who raped her, she ultimately didn't and while she rationalizes it to herself that "she can have him murdered at any time she wanted to have him murdered via telling Tony", in the end she doesn't tell him.

(Granted this also raises another complaint about the episode, though one about the writing and not the character; mainly that even though the show has established that Tony has police contacts and made it explicit that he had his police contacts spying on Melfi, that Tony NEVER fucking finds out about the rape through a third party source)

As for Agent Breeman, he's actually portrayed as 100% likable and a central aspect of his character in his role on the show, is that he gets along very very well with the main villain protagonists, granted he never finds out that they are Russian spies until the last episode of the series. Granted the show makes a point of showing he's no saint himself (he basically burns a Russian immigrant with mob connections that he blackmails into being a spy for him that results in her capture by the KGB and ultimately her death) but he is quite chummy with the main villain protagonists, to the point that in the final episode the husband character even tells him, after he lets them go even when he has them dead to rights, his fears that the guy's new wife may or may not be a Russian sleeper agent sent into his life purely to keep tabs on him after the main characters are deemed by the KGB to be too emotionally involved with the guy to properly spy on him.

And as for Skylar on Breaking Bad, I am firmly in the "Skylar did nothing wrong" camp. Especially given how fast Walt went from "I just need to make money to make sure my family is provided for" to " Sure, let's commit mass murder! I'm the King of Meth! No one can stop me!".

In hindsight Skylar is basically Corrine on a show that had the internet. Not a fun character, kind of a bitch, but also overly hated by retards who actually think her husband's a good guy instead of a mess nobody should have to put up with.

I'll always give the show credit that they had Corrine be one of the smartest characters on the show in so far as she got the fuck out of dodge the second that she realized Vic was doing bad shit and kept her distance/turned on him when it became apparent that she was going to be dragged down with Vic. Granted it had the side effect of fucking over Ronnie, but Corrine and her behavior in the show seemed to be that of someone who had the self-awareness to say "no, jut no!" whenever shennanigans tried to drag her into her husband's world as an accomplice.


Only in the last few years have people started to give the show it’s due. For a long time, people were convinced it was far inferior to The Wire, which was a huge favorite of hipsters. I think there will be more people who will appreciate the show over time.

Besides the Shakespear/Dickens comparison, you can also compare The Shield to Venture Brothers to The Wire's Rick and Morty. Both well loved and respected, but like Venture Brothers, The Shield held true to itself and largely didn't over the top go out of it's way to try and convince critics and normies that watching it made you "smarter". And even the most insufferable Wire fanboys will admit and concede that The Shield has the better ending whereas The Wire has an utterly forgettable ending that cops out on all fronts, to such a degree that the Cedric Daniels character is the only person who actually stands up and says "fuck that shit" and walks, in terms of having a proper climax to his character arc (where he finally tells the corrupt elite that he's tired of their bullshit and just ragequits, per his first wife's advice that "the only way to win a no-win situation is to no play the game").
 
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Season Four of The Wire was not very good. I agree it was a reboot but it was a stale rehash of Dangerous Minds/The Substitute where the white teacher ends up learning from his unruly black students. Marlo also just was not very interesting and a lot of The Wire characters that were holdovers from season one felt like they were stuck in there to provide plot continuity.

The Shield never had those seasons. Season Four came close to some people but I thought it was a very good season that once again demonstrated that the strike team could not just walk away from all the shit they pulled.
 
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Season 2 of The Wire was also pretty bad, I couldn't give a shit about all of the Union bullshit.

And I don't know, I thought Season 4 was a fucking highlight, Monica Rawlings, Antwon Mitchell... it was fucking great.

"With all of that money, with all of that power... you're still just a nigger. A nigger with a nigger faggot son. Where's the respect in that?"

This is something they'd never film today, and it's a shame.
 
It's sad that The Wire is just shit by the second season, but had redeemed in the third and fourth seasons and then went back to shit one last time.
 
It's sad that The Wire is just shit by the second season, but had redeemed in the third and fourth seasons and then went back to shit one last time.
Yup, that’s the proper way to classify The Wire, and even then by the 4th season real cracks were starting to show, too. 1 and 3 were far above the rest.
 
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