General Discussion for Virtual Youtubers / Vtubers / Chuubas - it's okay to be a simp for 2D, just don't thirstpost.

[Mister O.]

I won't comment on whether the hosts are into it as a hobby or not, however from my limited exposure to Gigguk and his fanbase, the impression I've gotten is that his content is made to appeal to the lowest common denominator. Understandable, since man's gotta make a living and that's pretty much the only way to do it nowadays as a commentary channel on YouTube, but when your videos are all generically titled "20XX Anime in a Nutshell" or "Anime in X minutes", it follows that you'll tend to attract a low-attention span audience that enjoys being spoonfed and is quick to judge.

Unfortunately, I think there was already a big overlap between that audience and Hololive's from well before this collaboration, but if you're able to filter out the garbage that these types spew, you'll hopefully find that many of them will soon lose their interest and move on to the next big thing.

On a separate note: anyone have thoughts on this clip of one of the TrashTaste co-hosts talking about Hololive and idol culture?

For someone whose job is to talk lots the guy sure sucks at argumentation. I agree with his initial point that idol fans are sometimes overzealous and this applies to Hololive as well, but then his reasoning for why fans shouldn't care about their chuubas collabing with "normal streamers" is that the VAs are "like, individuals who have like, opinions and feelings and might want to collaborate out of their own benefit (?) and out of their own want to collaborate and make something creative"? No shit, sherlock. Calli's VA should be free to collab with normal streamers to her heart's content. But I'm curious as to how he came to the conclusion that a viewer who disapproves of a character doing something is somehow not respecting the "needs and wants [of the content creator as a] normal human being".

It just seems like such smooth-brained logic. In a roundabout way it reminds me of the Adam Kovic situation over at the FunHaus YouTube channel: popular funny man makes funny gaming videos, but years later a bunch of pictures are released showing him with various objects up his butt at work, among other saucy revelations. Given the context, I think it's fair to say that there's marked difference between doing things you personally enjoy as you, the person, versus doing things you personally enjoy as your character. And I fail to see how this assertion invalidates in any way the content creator's needs and wants. I mean, isn't that the whole point of a chuuba's avatar in the first place? So that they can do what the VA can't?

Yeah I saw that vid yesterday, someone linked it to me. The guy is totally off base. The only people who think the way he suggests are the hardcore JP gachikoi. No one in the overseas fanbase, outside of some deranged Redditors, thinks along the lines of "stay away from my precious kweenz!!!" He's making an insane generalization based on what probably amounts to interacting with less than 1% of the fanbase on Reddit, which is like the bottom rung, basic-bitch tier of Vtuber fans.

Oh, and, we know they're real people, I make a point to research their real selves to appreciate them more. Lots of folk do. Once again, he obviously doesn't know this because he didn't actually spend any time in any fan circles prior to belching out his "thoughts" here.

The issue isn't inherently with him though, misinformed as he may be. The issue is with his fanbase, who will watch that misinformed clip and take it as gospel. Now they'll all have a preconceived notion that we're all rabid, permavirgin gachikoi and try to scream down at us as they bully their way into the hobby and leave a mess in their wake.

EDIT: Also Flare's new outfit is very cute. It's interesting to see her in that kind of aesthetic. Giving Kintsuba a top hat and cane was a nice touch .

 

[Screw Danlon]

I forgot Subaru’s a TeniPuri fan as well. A duck after my own heart.

 

[rikochi88]

Nijisanji ID is already on their 5th generation while Hololive ID's 2nd gen hasn't even debuted yet. I get it, they're trying to stabilize the company esp after the Taiwan incident but sometimes i look at the big picture and i think...man. It's a bit of a shame, Ah well, quality over quantity i guess.

The new gen seems pretty good so far though. Currently im looking at Reza Avanluna's stream, who says he is interested in doing storytelling and worldbuilding streams, so i'll be looking forward to see more of him. His stream is offline due to the ol' SEA internet though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlO0WgxEHjs

Here's something that makes me a bit confused though. From what i know, Hololive's avatars are all made after the audition selection is finished, and made with input from the VA's, right? But it seems like here, at least for Nijisanji ID, the avatars are pre-made, and the auditions are held to...fill in the voices of the pre made character designs? Isn't that more difficult to audition for, since they're looking for a certain kind of personality? Perhaps someone else knows better than me https://twitter.com/NIJISANJI_ID/status/1310081482476736512

 

[Potatohead]

The issue isn't inherently with him though, misinformed as he may be. The issue is with his fanbase, who will watch that misinformed clip and take it as gospel. Now they'll all have a preconceived notion that we're all rabid, permavirgin gachikoi and try to scream down at us as they bully their way into the hobby and leave a mess in their wake.

I want to hope that if someone watches a weebshit podcast, with anituber personalities, 2/3 of which have already been exposed to chuubas or have followed them quietly before the actual podcast, then they’ll already know about the psuedo-idol culture chuubas have

Lets consider the following:

1) CDawg is a fuckin normie, he says it himself.
2) His fanbase, theoretically, should be weebs, given his content is all the standard weebshit anituber stuff.
3) Most weebs should have at least peripheral knowledge of vtubers - Hololive overseas is basically the face of the medium.

Best case? Zero backlash, because everyone already knows what separates vtubers from ethots. Worst case? Holo community civil war, and Cover loses all the momentum they’ve been building overseas to an unending mass of drooling normies.

Personally I hope if Cdawg’s developed an interest in chuubas he makes some sort of clarification update, since a month is a long time for things to happen. Hell, Gurame wasn’t a thing before the shitshow minecraft overlap, and now they have a collab every week minimum.

 

[Cubanodun]

Yeah I saw that vid yesterday, someone linked it to me. The guy is totally off base. The only people who think the way he suggests are the hardcore JP gachikoi. No one in the overseas fanbase, outside of some deranged Redditors, thinks along the lines of "stay away from my precious kweenz!!!" He's making an insane generalization based on what probably amounts to interacting with less than 1% of the fanbase on Reddit, which is like the bottom rung, basic-bitch tier of Vtuber fans.

Oh, and, we know they're real people, I make a point to research their real selves to appreciate them more. Lots of folk do. Once again, he obviously doesn't know this because he didn't actually spend any time in any fan circles prior to belching out his "thoughts" here.

The issue isn't inherently with him though, misinformed as he may be. The issue is with his fanbase, who will watch that misinformed clip and take it as gospel. Now they'll all have a preconceived notion that we're all rabid, permavirgin gachikoi and try to scream down at us as they bully their way into the hobby and leave a mess in their wake.

EDIT: Also Flare's new outfit is very cute. It's interesting to see her in that kind of aesthetic. Giving Kintsuba a top hat and cane was a nice touch .

I think the guy did a research but crossed the other type of idols with Vtubers, a common misunderstanding because YAGOO pretended to make Hololive AKB48 on the interwebs that is why when you make jumps to Nijisanji you see that the seiso law was burned, repelled, shotted and throw it to the sea because fuck it and you don't see anyone dying for it

The only one that i think fit the bill of a proper idol is Sora and that is hurting her because even when she was the first she barely collab with her juniors and get updates, actually you barely hear about her except some collabs with Azki

 

[REGENDarySumanai]

Here's the recipe for the disaster Kiara and Haachama made.

Strangely enough, you can make this into a good meal if you modify it.

 

[Cheetahman]

The other point is that Enma probably told Yagoo that he had to change his mentality with the EN branch because they were not aimed to Japan but America, the seiso shit just simply dont fly here but he has to be maintained for tradition sake so is more like it was tone down by 50% to comply with american tastes (also because Coco made cool that idols can say profanities)

I think you are very naive to not realize that the same psycho mentality exists in the west. Even ignoring titty streamers doing an identical boyfriend-less kayfabe (and exploding when exposed), there is a portion of brain damaged fans who will relentlessly dox the vtubers because "ooooooh they're so hot IRL I wish I was dating them" while posting a fucking picture of Ryan Gosling for the thousandth time. This is especially relevant to Mori, who has the most outsider fans.
It shows how these hangers-on who will do a face-reveal before they even debut fundamentally do not understand.
Shitheads like those podcast ironic weebs and their nematode fans have been a blight for months if not years, it's absolutely ridiculous that they managed to convince anybody that their half-aborted opinions should matter to anybody.

 

[MidnightSto]

How long until we get juicy drama?

 

[Neuromantic]

He said he specifically dislikes Mori, I assume that's where the anger is coming from.

What a autistic virgin.

 

[PorkeyDuck]

Went back reading because I didn't thoroughly read her retarded shit.
It made me dislike her more.

https://archive.md/RlOFo

https://archive.md/hI405

Her friend's youtube
111K subs

https://www.youtube.com/c/MOM0KI/videos

Some are in the 10ks,100ks, and 2 are over 1m. And a few videos a year.

 

[Cubanodun]

Went back reading because I didn't thoroughly read her retarded shit.
It made me dislike her more.
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Her friend's youtube
111K subs

https://www.youtube.com/c/MOM0KI/videos

Some are in the 10ks,100ks, and 2 are over 1m. And a few videos a year.

That second image make me wonder why Ina has her manager always with her but the rest are pretty much alone when they stream except when their comrades appear on stream, cant enma just cosplay as Blurp for Gura?

 

[Dang Woodchucks!]

Went back reading because I didn't thoroughly read her retarded shit.
It made me dislike her more.
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https://archive.md/hI405

Her friend's youtube
111K subs

https://www.youtube.com/c/MOM0KI/videos

Some are in the 10ks,100ks, and 2 are over 1m. And a few videos a year.

>Not writing the names of literally everyone involved in a song's creation is a war crime now

BRB, on my way to the Hague, Ame didn't text Brian May and the ghost of Freddie Mercury when she sang "Bohemian Rhapsody" on Halloween.

EDIT: Not a drill, Assassin Doggo: Valhalla is live!

 

[Cheetahman]

Minor Reddit drama, someone posts an (obviously bait) thread about how he unmembered from Mori because anitubers are even lower beings than video game journalists. A literal tranny janny on the hololive reddit account blows it out of proportion, like all self-important reddit jannies do.


Interestingly, this post was edited, because the original was even more tasteless:



That modpost was later removed. Hmmmmmmm.

 

[Dang Woodchucks!]

Minor Reddit drama, someone posts an (obviously bait) thread about how he unmembered from Mori because anitubers are even lower beings than video game journalists. A literal tranny janny on the hololive reddit account blows it out of proportion, like all self-important reddit jannies do.
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Interestingly, this post was edited, because the original was even more tasteless:

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That modpost was later removed. Hmmmmmmm.

What's the deal with every other place having troon jannies? Why the fuck does anyone pick the one demographic that by default is mentally unstable to place in a position of power, real or imagined?!

 

[Takodachi]

What's the deal with every other place having troon jannies? Why the fuck does anyone pick the one demographic that by default is mentally unstable to place in a position of power, real or imagined?!

Because they are looking for people with nothing better to do and a god complex, which makes the trannies the perfect candidates.
Look no further than this site mods if you need proof of it.

Nijisanji ID is already on their 5th generation while Hololive ID's 2nd gen hasn't even debuted yet. I get it, they're trying to stabilize the company esp after the Taiwan incident but sometimes i look at the big picture and i think...man. It's a bit of a shame, Ah well, quality over quantity i guess.

The new gen seems pretty good so far though. Currently im looking at Reza Avanluna's stream, who says he is interested in doing storytelling and worldbuilding streams, so i'll be looking forward to see more of him. His stream is offline due to the ol' SEA internet though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlO0WgxEHjs

Here's something that makes me a bit confused though. From what i know, Hololive's avatars are all made after the audition selection is finished, and made with input from the VA's, right? But it seems like here, at least for Nijisanji ID, the avatars are pre-made, and the auditions are held to...fill in the voices of the pre made character designs? Isn't that more difficult to audition for, since they're looking for a certain kind of personality? Perhaps someone else knows better than me https://twitter.com/NIJISANJI_ID/status/1310081482476736512

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Niji has always been known for how many talents they shit out every year. Seriously, go to their page and see how many Vtubers you probably havent even heard of they own.
I don't consider myself a homolive fan, but they do choose quality over quantity.

 

[REGENDarySumanai]

What's the deal with every other place having troon jannies? Why the fuck does anyone pick the one demographic that by default is mentally unstable to place in a position of power, real or imagined?!

People tend to choose the worst people for the job.

 

[Potatohead]

Here's something that makes me a bit confused though. From what i know, Hololive's avatars are all made after the audition selection is finished, and made with input from the VA's, right? But it seems like here, at least for Nijisanji ID, the avatars are pre-made, and the auditions are held to...fill in the voices of the pre made character designs? Isn't that more difficult to audition for, since they're looking for a certain kind of personality? Perhaps someone else knows better than me

I think they have a general theme and archtypes picked out, then the artists work with the talents to flesh it out — Takamori was the ship Cover pushed for, Ina’s design specifically references Kuroboshi’s FGO work etc.

Minor Reddit drama, someone posts an (obviously bait) thread about how he unmembered from Mori because anitubers are even lower beings than video game journalists. A literal tranny janny on the hololive reddit account blows it out of proportion, like all self-important reddit jannies do.
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Interestingly, this post was edited, because the original was even more tasteless:

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That modpost was later removed. Hmmmmmmm.

Well fuck the literal representation of Cover in the subreddit now has a yab. Can’t get much worse than this.

 

[Cubanodun]

Minor Reddit drama, someone posts an (obviously bait) thread about how he unmembered from Mori because anitubers are even lower beings than video game journalists. A literal tranny janny on the hololive reddit account blows it out of proportion, like all self-important reddit jannies do.
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Interestingly, this post was edited, because the original was even more tasteless:

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That modpost was later removed. Hmmmmmmm.

That jannie is getting kicked, the no politics rule is not negotiable

 

[deadtofaunus]

>Not writing the names of literally everyone involved in a song's creation is a war crime now

BRB, on my way to the Hague, Ame didn't text Brian May and the ghost of Freddie Mercury when she sang "Bohemian Rhapsody".

This looks like textbook narcissistic and/or childish behavior to me. After putting her foot in her mouth by unnecessarily virtue signaling for her friend, she's doubling down in a retarded attempt to save face because admitting fault and moving on is beyond her.

What's the deal with every other place having troon jannies? Why the fuck does anyone pick the one demographic that by default is mentally unstable to place in a position of power, real or imagined?!

They're typically the only ones insane enough (and with enough free time on their hands) to do it for free.

 

[The One And Only SALTE]

That second image make me wonder why Ina has her manager always with her but the rest are pretty much alone when they stream except when their comrades appear on stream, cant enma just cosplay as Blurp for Gura?

Kiara talked about this, slightly, when referring to her own manager (and the fact that there's more than one Enma). Apparently the managers for all of hololive watch them and their streams to make sure things are going okay. AO-chan is more than likely a very specific community manager and not necessarily a talent manager, or at least not Ina's talent manager. When Ina was making a design for Enma, Enma was actually giving her input through Discord. Basically, there's a lot of people we don't see who work with the on-screen talent.

As far as the idea of having her be Bloop, the same could be said about why Calli doesn't have a chatmod named Death-Sensei. More than likely they just don't care and would rather let their manager do managing off-camera, but Ina specifically wanted the fact that her book is sentient to be a part of her character and have "it" participate in her chat.

Minor Reddit drama, someone posts an (obviously bait) thread about how he unmembered from Mori because anitubers are even lower beings than video game journalists. A literal tranny janny on the hololive reddit account blows it out of proportion, like all self-important reddit jannies do.
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Interestingly, this post was edited, because the original was even more tasteless:

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That modpost was later removed. Hmmmmmmm.

I'm gonna chalk it up to T-chan (who has been the most active person using that account) having a really fucking bad day and just being sick of the sub's bullshit with regards to Calli's collaboration with Trash Taste. There was a lot of stuff going on in the main thread and comments like this were not the first of its kind there. The one thing I can get behind on the post is that it dispels a lot of the rumors that the Stars are restricted from working with the main branch (currently) and it's just an issue of nobody really bothering to work with them due to either being too busy or other unrelated reasons. Cover slowly woke up to the fact that they can tell the really insane idol purist gachikoi to fuck themselves after shit like accepting Suisei's ultimatum or Matsuri/Fubuki/Aki working with male vtubers to produce content. The one misstep they did was with Towa, but I still kind of feel Towa fucked up by saying that the person that was heard on her discord call was a Cover employee and not her friend.

For those not familiar with it, somehow the hololive subreddit gets around the rule of having a fan community based around a company being forbidden from being run by the company itself (Disney can't run its own subreddit, for example.) T-chan isn't just some jannie, she's an employee of Cover, more than likely one of their very few community managers who actually knows English. The sub was not started by Cover but rather handed over to them by the fan community who let them use it in an official capacity. For the longest time the only mod accounts there were the official hololive account (run by at least 2 people; the only ones known were T-chan and L-sama and L uses it far less frequently) and...Artia. Thankfully Artia didn't go full on meltdown mode. After that pretty much every talent who wanted to join the sub was modded so that they could promote their own stuff and have their own flair, with Botan and Iofi being unmodded. Botan only recently got modded, while Iofi can't be modded because technically Reddit is banned in Indonesia due to their decency laws prohibiting anything that has porn on it.