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[REGENDarySumanai]

Listening to holotalk, I wonder why Coco never attempted to do something similar?
Not to the same extent where she dedicates 1+ hour, but on a smaller case that could be crammed on Asacoco.

It feels like She wasted an opportunity by not exploiting untapped market (at the time).

edit:
Ina is having a members only stream for SSBU.
I expect too many simps letting her win instead of bullying her.

Ina hates people who throw away a win because they pity the streamer.

 

[Wigger Destroyer 110]

I think Miko, Coco, Aki and Roboco has showed up more than once. The others might just be lurking. I know that Aki pulled a meme from Reddit during her new costume reveal where someone made fun of the "buff" Aki costume

Kanaters shows up and posts for her streams a bit as well

 

[Dang Woodchucks!]

Okay okay, I'll take one for the team and plow Karen. It'll be a hard job but someone has to power through.

>You will never hear D.D. Karen beg you to cum inside like she begs to play Persona 3

 

[Deluxe]

Listening to holotalk, I wonder why Coco never attempted to do something similar?
Not to the same extent where she dedicates 1+ hour, but on a smaller case that could be crammed on Asacoco.

It feels like She wasted an opportunity by not exploiting untapped market (at the time).

Coco is a self-described introvert and somewhat of a stubborn person who does things in her own style. As far as I know, she has never taken a emcee role in a collab nor expressed any desire to do so. She also chooses to be a predominantly Japanese streamer and generally doesn't translate for others even though she is capable of doing so. She switches between English and Japanese in meme review but doesn't repeat herself, and the English she uses is at the level that most Japs would be able to understand.

Coco seems conscious of the fact that being pidgeonholed as the "gaijin hololiver" would be bad for her personal growth, especially when there are plenty of multilingual livers who will gladly fill that role.

This might be projection on my part but her explicitly Japanese character theme, deeper understanding of contemporary Japanese culture, deteriorating English skill, silence on her past and aloofness towards overseas topics is something very common among expats of Japanese ancestry who over-compensate because they hate being treated condescendingly by natives.

Coco is definitely the least likely JP member to do a solo english only stream.

 

[Fcret]

This might be projection on my part but her explicitly Japanese character theme, deeper understanding of contemporary Japanese culture, deteriorating English skill, silence on her past and aloofness towards overseas topics is something very common among expats of Japanese ancestry who over-compensate because they hate being treated condescendingly by natives.

Coco is definitely the least likely JP member to do a solo english only stream.

Not to get excessively SJW, but you hit the nail on the head I think - Japan is almost legendarily insular among the developed nations. A Japanese teacher of mine from college told us a story about how when she went back to Japan for a few years, people would write her (native Japanese) name in katakana instead of kanji as a kind of subtle acknowledgment of her foreign-ness. It's gotten much less weird in recent years, but I can't imagine what Coco must have went through starting her life over in an autist nation after growing up around Normielanta.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

That...took an unexpected turn.

 

[Takodachi]

That...took an unexpected turn.

goddamn I wasnt expecting an onee-san voice from the hyperactive zombie

 

[Cubanodun]

Ina hates people who throw away a win because they pity the streamer.

My politic is that if i see a Hololive in any game i play i will go full Pornhub Donkey kong and give them a good beating because the gachikois also need to suffer in the process

Coco is definitely the least likely JP member to do a solo english only stream.

Ironic, considering that HoloEN was technically her idea

 

[REGENDarySumanai]

Ironic, considering that HoloEN was technically her idea

And she was part of the screening process too, which makes zero sense for her to throw away one of her key traits, especially since other talents have been learning English (and Spanish in Nene's case) as well.

 

[Rezza]

And she was part of the screening process too, which makes zero sense for her to throw away one of her key traits, especially since other talents have been learning English (and Spanish in Nene's case) as well.

Maybe it is exactly because of that reason that Coco decided against english only stream. She's the one who create HoloEN, and to stream something that might damaged HoloEN because of the wolf warriors antis will hurt her more

 

[Renmai]

We'll see if Ollie can keep up the hyper personality, I remember Amelia's debut she did that trippy Watson's concoction bit and I through she was gonna be the outgoing weird one but turns out she is really an introverted lil toxic gamer gremlin. I remember reading somewhere in this thread that Ollie is a recently retired Indo streamer/vtuber.. was she always like this? Watching other Hololive members rewatching their debut streams, it seems many of them were trying to fake it and be something they weren't. I vaguely remember some Pekora, Marine and Miko clips where they said they were trying to be proper idols in the beginning but gave in eventually to their true natures.

Fubuki Imitates Kiara's cooming on her own talk show.

 

[Fcret]

Ironic, considering that HoloEN was technically her idea

She probably wanted to shunt some of the audience looking for English commentary to other creators so she could focus more on JP shit without management pressuring her about needing to court more overseas viewers. She's in a rough position because the bugman apocalypse happened right as EN ramped up enough to let her just do what she wanted.

And she was part of the screening process too, which makes zero sense for her to throw away one of her key traits, especially since other talents have been learning English (and Spanish in Nene's case) as well.

Amasian identity crises usually aren't rational. She wants to fit in in her ancestral homeland so she's willing to jettison a lot of her positive traits to ensure conformity. Like the Chinese-Americans who become obnoxious CCP shills because they didn't fit in in the US. I imagine Coco was a pretty shy girl growing up and that combined with the cultural clash of having Asian parents in a part of the US that is on the opposite end of the spectrum from "conventional East Asian society" gave her a lot of problems fitting in (I don't have to guess at this, I've seen it first hand).

I don't think she'll ultimately succeed in purging her sweet tea roots, but the kind of wisdom it'll take to reconcile her dual-identities is the sort of thing she'll only acquire with age.

EDIT:

Amelia doing bedtime ASMR. It's really good quality but for some reason it makes me feel weirdly awkward and uncomfortable.

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

Slightly OT, looks like they are also aware of the CWC thing and that the farms exist. 58:02 same video, continues after the ad.

They're on to us!
Quick! Stuff the Sonichu dakimakuras through the emergency escape!

 

[Mister O.]

Not to get excessively SJW, but you hit the nail on the head I think - Japan is almost legendarily insular among the developed nations. A Japanese teacher of mine from college told us a story about how when she went back to Japan for a few years, people would write her (native Japanese) name in katakana instead of kanji as a kind of subtle acknowledgment of her foreign-ness. It's gotten much less weird in recent years, but I can't imagine what Coco must have went through starting her life over in an autist nation after growing up around Normielanta.

From what I understand, she had a very hard time meshing into Japanese society when she and her family moved back over there when she was....13, I believe? From then all the way until maybe about right after she started streaming for Cover. Her Japanese was absolutely god-awful (you can hear how awkward and horrible it is in her pre-Hololive Kson streams/convention appearances, and even her very early-on streams as Coco), and she couldn't find a 'real' job because no one would hire her due to her goofnuts Southern-American-mixed-with-gook accent and absolutely sub-par Japanese speaking skill.

I'm not 100% sure this is true, but I've read from multiple sources who would probably know that Kson originally applied to be on the translation team for Hololive, but was convinced by god-only-knows to audition for a talent slot proper.

But anyway, I feel like it's no secret that even Japanese-people-who-weren't-actually-born-in-Japan are treated with a twinge of disrespect over there, it definitely can't be easy. I feel like they may have it worse than people of a non-Japanese persuasion, especially if the natives don't realize right away that you're not "really" one of them, doubly so since I know foreigners have at least a small handful of laws (and other "unspoken rules") that make their lives harder just living there.

I dunno if any of the whole "Coco is trying to bury her American side" theory holds water though. I mean, she's definitely starting to skew a bit more towards the JP audience, but I think that's just to compensate for how EN-centric she was in her earlier days. But there's no way she's gonna drop it considering how ridiculously massive her overseas viewerships are. I'm not sure what would make someone think her English skill is "deteriorating," I don't see nor hear that at all.

 

[Fcret]

I'm not sure what would make someone think her English skill is "deteriorating," I don't see nor hear that at all.

Her spelling is spotty and she frequently drops articles and messes up tenses. It's more noticeable if you look at her more recent non-holo content when she does English lessons. Conversationally, she's mostly fine. It's clear that she has the accent and a lot of the nuances down, but when you look at her writing it's very obvious that her grammar and usage is surprisingly weak. This could be caused by any number of things, but probably the most likely is that she simply doesn't write or read English very often outside of when she's rolled out to be 'le wacky kikokushijo.'

 

[Deluxe]

And she was part of the screening process too, which makes zero sense for her to throw away one of her key traits, especially since other talents have been learning English (and Spanish in Nene's case) as well.

If you were aware that holoEN was on the horizon, or even responsible for it's creation, why would you make yourself redundant by doing something other people can do?

Amasian identity crises usually aren't rational. She wants to fit in in her ancestral homeland so she's willing to jettison a lot of her positive traits to ensure conformity. Like the Chinese-Americans who become obnoxious CCP shills because they didn't fit in in the US. I imagine Coco was a pretty shy girl growing up and that combined with the cultural clash of having Asian parents in a part of the US that is on the opposite end of the spectrum from "conventional East Asian society" gave her a lot of problems fitting in (I don't have to guess at this, I've seen it first hand).

I don't think she'll ultimately succeed in purging her sweet tea roots, but the kind of wisdom it'll take to reconcile her dual-identities is the sort of thing she'll only acquire with age.

Nobody knows any details about her pre-japan life but you don't even have to make conjecture. The reality of moving to Japan as a japanese-passing person is that you need to avoid letting strangers know about your background if you want to be treated like everyone else. This isn't because japs are racist xenophobic bugs, but because being a permanent outsider sucks when you want to live like a normal person. This is true everywhere.

From what I understand, she had a very hard time meshing into Japanese society when she and her family moved back over there when she was....13, I believe? From then all the way until maybe about right after she started streaming for Cover. Her Japanese was absolutely god-awful (you can hear how awkward and horrible it is in her pre-Hololive Kson streams/convention appearances, and even her very early-on streams as Coco), and she couldn't find a 'real' job because no one would hire her due to her goofnuts Southern-American-mixed-with-gook accent and absolutely sub-par Japanese speaking skill.

I'm not 100% sure this is true, but I've read from multiple sources who would probably know that Kson originally applied to be on the translation team for Hololive, but was convinced by god-only-knows to audition for a talent slot proper.

But anyway, I feel like it's no secret that even Japanese-people-who-weren't-actually-born-in-Japan are treated with a twinge of disrespect over there, it definitely can't be easy. I feel like they may have it worse than people of a non-Japanese persuasion, especially if the natives don't realize right away that you're not "really" one of them, doubly so since I know foreigners have at least a small handful of laws (and other "unspoken rules") that make their lives harder just living there.

I dunno if any of the whole "Coco is trying to bury her American side" theory holds water though. I mean, she's definitely starting to skew a bit more towards the JP audience, but I think that's just to compensate for how EN-centric she was in her earlier days. But there's no way she's gonna drop it considering how ridiculously massive her overseas viewerships are. I'm not sure what would make someone think her English skill is "deteriorating," I don't see nor hear that at all.

Kson was a Sega employee of some sort before hololive. She would have likely already been working for a couple years after (Japanese) college while streaming and cosplaying on the side. Her Japanese skill in her old streams was native level, just not professional streamer level articulate and with a awkward fake voice. She was passing before debut, so such things would not have effected her career all that much.

I'm not saying she's trying to "bury her American side" but rather that it is a necessity to choose one side or another when you aren't a native of a country. An American side doesn't have to exist unless people start seeing you as one. There's no secret law unique to conformist culture that makes japs shitty towards non-natives, but being told your Japanese is jouzu every single day and being singled out for assistance because clerks think you're a tourist is annoying in the country you have lived in for most of your life. You can still choose to pull the gaijin card when it's advantageous to you while also being aware of what happens when you overuse it (ending up like a dead-end gaijin talent on TV).

Sorry for the long post about this extremely specific character background that I know way too much about.

 

[Namesarehardtocomeupwith]

The departure of haachama, the return of akai haato.

 

[LOWERCASE LETTERS]

From what I understand, she had a very hard time meshing into Japanese society when she and her family moved back over there when she was....13, I believe? From then all the way until maybe about right after she started streaming for Cover. Her Japanese was absolutely god-awful (you can hear how awkward and horrible it is in her pre-Hololive Kson streams/convention appearances, and even her very early-on streams as Coco), and she couldn't find a 'real' job because no one would hire her due to her goofnuts Southern-American-mixed-with-gook accent and absolutely sub-par Japanese speaking skill.

I'm not 100% sure this is true, but I've read from multiple sources who would probably know that Kson originally applied to be on the translation team for Hololive, but was convinced by god-only-knows to audition for a talent slot proper.

But anyway, I feel like it's no secret that even Japanese-people-who-weren't-actually-born-in-Japan are treated with a twinge of disrespect over there, it definitely can't be easy. I feel like they may have it worse than people of a non-Japanese persuasion, especially if the natives don't realize right away that you're not "really" one of them, doubly so since I know foreigners have at least a small handful of laws (and other "unspoken rules") that make their lives harder just living there.

I dunno if any of the whole "Coco is trying to bury her American side" theory holds water though. I mean, she's definitely starting to skew a bit more towards the JP audience, but I think that's just to compensate for how EN-centric she was in her earlier days. But there's no way she's gonna drop it considering how ridiculously massive her overseas viewerships are. I'm not sure what would make someone think her English skill is "deteriorating," I don't see nor hear that at all.

Heh, that's nothing. It's like 10x worse if you're black, and 20x worse if you're from a different Asian country. If you are black and go outside of Tokyo (and mabye even just outside of the tourist areas in Tokyo itself) people will point and stare at you.

And then of course Koreans look at how the Japanese are racist and turn that up to 11.

 

[Takodachi]

Ina vibin' to Calamari Inkantation is adorable.

holy shit shes getting bodied by ganondorf everyone

 

[Potatohead]

Ahahahahahahah I fucking love dead hours sometimes