General Discussion for Virtual Youtubers / Vtubers / Chuubas - it's okay to be a simp for 2D, just don't thirstpost.

[Scuttle]

From Shannon"s 9-hour Graduation Stream:

• Has a very dry and sarcastic sense of humour. Swears a lot.
• Got into streaming because of her best friend, Lyrica. Says that she 'always wants to be where babu (Lyrica) is'.
• Was born in Japan to Mainland Chinese parents. Both of whom are musically gifted. Dad still lives in Japan whilst her and her mother moved to where they are now (which I'm pretty sure is Canada).
• Speaks more Japanese than Chinese.
• Used to frequent 4chan in the early 2010's.
• Is graduating to 'explore new worlds and meet new people', she talks about Lyrica separately of this but within context it doesn't necessarily discredit Lyrica as another Wave 3 member.

That's pretty much all of the scout report-worthy stuff. It was a long stream but a lot of it was singing and thanking the artists/musicians she worked with.

I personally find it pretty much a guarantee that Shannon is in Wave 3. I'm still not overly convinced about Lyrica being one of them, but it does seem that Shannon and Lyrica are practically an inseparable duo, and if one is signing on with a company then the other will be far more inclined to do the same.

 

[Just pretending]

My rrat: Zax took over Pippa's twitter and is behind DDoS attacks on farms. Or something. Idk, ask thhrang for details.

 

[maCAloGY]

Did she referenced them as HoloEN Gen 1 ?

If she calls them "senpai", what's the difference then?
Gen5 is also called NePoLaBo, Gen3 is also called holoFantasy.
From the way they talk about it, they don't want "numbers" in holoEN, but they want them to differentiate them with names, like holoMyth and holoCouncil.
But, the same girls in holoEN still act like they are generations, for example using senpai like in this case.

 

[thhrang]

My rrat: Zax took over Pippa's twitter and is behind DDoS attacks on farms. Or something. Idk, ask thhrang for details.

A truly fabulous rrat. Congratulations, you get a gold star.

 

[Japanese Longbowman]

So, it finally hapened. The great Wosemi-sama has played AoE2. Rosemi started a campaign with Joan D'Arc instead of a skirmish game and was very confused she's doing an escort mission instead of cutting trees and bulding a base. Then she played a skirmish game. It was shitty, but that's to be expected when an unexperienced player faces off against AI on easiest mode. Rose/10, I'll surely watch if she ever plays it again. She's also getting progresively better at Cuphead.

As someone who still actively plays AoE2 this was a pain to watch through. Now I know how you guys feel when you watch someone suck at a game

 

[maCAloGY]

By the way, I'm confused, Mumei may have not caused any drama yet for us to discuss, but shouldn't we be grateful the nips are already taking care of archiving stuff in case something happens?
If hololive and the owl don't care about the doxxing (or they would have done something to prevent it), why do you?

 

[Scuttle]

As someone who still actively plays AoE2 this was a pain to watch through. Now I know how you guys feel when you watch someone suck at a game

Rosemi doesn't suck at anything please be kind to her.

By the way, I'm confused, Mumei may have not caused any drama yet for us to discuss, but shouldn't we be grateful the nips are already taking care of archiving stuff in case something happens?
If hololive and the owl don't care about the doxxing (or they would have done something to prevent it), why do you?

I guess the answer is intent? KF are supposed to document and archive from a neutral standpoint, and an industry where the act of simply knowing who is behind the character is considered 'taboo' is going to attract archivers to them juuuuust in case. It doesn't matter if the individuals in question have their own opinions and feelings on it.

The Japanese boards are doing it with malicious intent and you can do damage that way. I don't think Cover 'don't care', because this stuff has taken one of their 5th Gen members and has affected lots of others, I think they just lack the facilities to truly scrub the online footprint of people - especially those of Mumei who was not only a 1m sub creator, but also a V-Tuber that interacted with the bigger Indies like Bao.

There's nearly always a 2+ month period prior to debut where these people COULD be told by management to bleach their accounts of certain keywords (TweetDelete has the ability to sift through tweets and only delete tweets that have the phrase 'boyfriend' in them, for example). But 3 generations and an entire year since the Aloe stuff, they're still just as easy to get a read on as always.

 

[Burnt Fish]

If she calls them "senpai", what's the difference then?
Gen5 is also called NePoLaBo, Gen3 is also called holoFantasy.
From the way they talk about it, they don't want "numbers" in holoEN, but they want them to differentiate them with names, like holoMyth and holoCouncil.
But, the same girls in holoEN still act like they are generations, for example using senpai like in this case.

You would have to be genuinely retarded to think that the senpai thing hinges on the generations.

99.9% of japanese society isn't built on "generations" and the senpai relationship exists. the generation numbers are irrelevant to it. If you're an Office lady, and the other office lady has been there longer than you or has a position higher than you, she's your senpai. She doesn't have to be "GEN1 OFFICE LADY" to your "GEN2 OFFICE LADY" it can just be "she's worked here 5 years longer than me so she's my senpai"

 

[Horpach]

I'm always up for Hollow Knight, but I can't figure out if she's finished it before or not. "It was my first metroidvania. Let's hope my skills are still there" - is this a "have played but not completed" type deal?

 

[Avokado]

If she calls them "senpai", what's the difference then?
Gen5 is also called NePoLaBo, Gen3 is also called holoFantasy.
From the way they talk about it, they don't want "numbers" in holoEN, but they want them to differentiate them with names, like holoMyth and holoCouncil.
But, the same girls in holoEN still act like they are generations, for example using senpai like in this case.

"Senpai" is "senior", a person who debuted before the "kohai" ("junior").
Unrelated with GenX, GenY, GenZ, or HoloSomething.

 

[maCAloGY]

but I can't figure out if she's finished it before or not.

She said she completed the game at 110% before.

Unrelated with GenX, GenY, GenZ, or HoloSomething.

99.9% of japanese society isn't built on "generations" and the senpai relationship exists. the generation numbers are irrelevant to it. If you're an Office lady, and the other office lady has been there longer than you or has a position higher than you, she's your senpai. She doesn't have to be "GEN1 OFFICE LADY" to your "GEN2 OFFICE LADY" it can just be "she's worked here 5 years longer than me so she's my senpai"

Can't deny I'm retarded then.
Still, in his interview, the producer said that the reason they don't to want to use expressions such as "first-generation members," because they think people are so dumb they would assume the numbers are about prioritization of different groups "which makes it difficult to maintain fairness for all hololive English members". I feel like this a really dumb reason anyway.

[...]

I really can't believe they are this incompetent, despite everything. Besides, all holoMyth had experience in being doxxed, and start chatting with holoCouncil months ago. The owl can't be that unaware and naive about this stuff.
Digging about the roommate of new members is a natural thing by now, where's the surprise?

And we've known since April what their reasoning for it was and none of it was Idol related or "to get away from Senpai/Kouhai relationships"

If you're right then, why did Kronii use the term Senpai? Yeah, they're still her seniors, why I fail to see how holoEN would "get away from Senpai/Kouhai relationships" if they keep calling their seniors Senpai.

 

[Burnt Fish]

Still, in his interview, the producer said that the reason they don't to want to use expressions such as "first-generation members," because they think people are so dumb they would assume the numbers are about prioritization of different groups "which makes it difficult to maintain fairness for all hololive English members". I feel like this a really dumb reason anyway.

Right but here's the thing, I would assume they aren't just doing this on a lark and they've had some sort of issues with confusion on the matter in the past, but even if we don't give that benefit of the doubt, It has zero bearing on the fanbase so like..... who cares.

If it's only going to affect their internal messaging from the company itself and the fanbase is still going to use gen numbers as shorthand than I have about as much reason to care about it as I would care about what brand of toilet paper they use at the office, it has zero effect or consequence on what I do or how I speak.

Just the same as it has no effect on me that all of their promotional material will always say "Akai Haato" while the fanbase will always say Haachama.

 

[Diya]

I'm always up for Hollow Knight, but I can't figure out if she's finished it before or not. "It was my first metroidvania. Let's hope my skills are still there" - is this a "have played but not completed" type deal?

She specifically said Hollow Knight is her first Metroidvania she ever played, and she 100% it before. Doesn't mention if she completed Godmaster or not though.

 

[Lester Jones]

What a weird and cute group from Nijisanji

 

[Grass4Cats]

The owl can't be that unaware and naive about this stuff.

It's either that, or she doesn't give a fuck and sees deleting internet footprints being too much work and she doesn't want her friends snd family to notice her deletion activities.

Or she's the type who react to unforeseen consequences. Who knows, who cares. Unlike Aloe, I really doubt this would result in anything but simple annoyance to her as I doubt JP antis has plenty of options to do real damage to a foreign girl who I'm pretty sure doesn't even live in Japan. All they can do in reality is seethe.

Remember that it is the girl's decision on whether or not they want to erase their internet presences as much as they can. Cover can't force that upon them, even when it is better for the talents themselves in the long run. If Cover didn't give advice about it which is doubtful after 2020(at this point, anyone who joins Hololive should have known the risk, you basically have to be as clueless as Moona to be that unaware about Hololive) then at least their seniors would have given them such advices, given their experience. Then it's up to them to sort themselves before debut if they wanted to.

Although I do wonder why the focus on the owl specifically? Maybe they see her as the weak link to mess with?

 

[Scuttle]

Elira does indeed have a big collab this week but it isn't with HoloID as I predicted.

It's with Sykkuno.

 

[(iIivVvbBb-iIimMmvVv)]

By the way, I'm confused, Mumei may have not caused any drama yet for us to discuss, but shouldn't we be grateful the nips are already taking care of archiving stuff in case something happens?

I guess the answer is intent? KF are supposed to document and archive from a neutral standpoint, and an industry where the act of simply knowing who is behind the character is considered 'taboo' is going to attract archivers to them juuuuust in case. It doesn't matter if the individuals in question have their own opinions and feelings on it.

I always hearken back to that whole debacle on the chans regarding Gura's roommate. It really all comes down to the intent and reasoning behind it. If someone is digging up all of this out of sheer boredom. . . sure ok I guess. However, what this seems to be is something closer to real maliciousness, jealousy, and dependency. . . all things that feed into each other. Do I think this is as bad as an Aloe situation in the making? No. I don't. There are degrees of difference and separation. The concern isn't really so much about the information (except addresses because that is going a bit far, even for this site given how little she has done. She isn't, say, a child molestor or sexual predator where you are damn sure I have no problem giving geo-coordinates), but about the possibility of a growing cabal of antis that will just ruin the fun for us and the mental health of a 'completely innocent' streamer.

Truth is the gachikoi and clout-chasers are the lolcows in this community.

Still, in his interview, the producer said that the reason they don't to want to use expressions such as "first-generation members," because they think people are so dumb they would assume the numbers are about prioritization of different groups "which makes it difficult to maintain fairness for all hololive English members".

I actually think I understand the decision. I was talking to a friend about how the show Freaks and Geeks just kind of popped into my head after thinking on the two 'generations.' It isn't a really good comparison, but it sparked a train of thought. The reason, I think, for all of the lore, the lack of gens, etc. . . is that Cover is really going more for thematic generation with regard to the kind of entertainment you get. The JP and ID branch generations each feel a bit like self-contained units that are essentially the same mold.

But I was thinking about the EN crews and I couldn't help but see some overarching differences. Each member of myth is different with various talents. But they all fit a kind of type. To put it bluntly, the whole mess of them are basically anti-social idiot savants. Neets with stupid levels of talent that all kind of come across as a group of nerds (geeks). This generation strikes me (and others based on some posts) as being made of people who are much more 'put together.' These girls seem more extroverted (with the exception of Mumei maybe) and their skill sets are much more geared toward the showmanship aspect of streaming than the technical. It is much more personality based than skill based. I'm not saying this generation isn't skilled with the likes of Sana in there. . . but I definitely believe this generation was built around charisma.

So what is this rant getting at? Well, I think the management is trying to make the EN generations into teams, each with its own flavor of entertainment that hits a certain audience or niche. JP and to a certain extent ID are more traditional where each new addition is like really like a new or slightly different generation.

EDIT:
I didn't see if anyone mentioned that the zombie is playing with the ID coffee-cup.

 

[Diya]

It's either that, or she doesn't give a fuck and sees deleting internet footprints being too much work and she doesn't want her friends snd family to notice her deletion activities.

Or she's the type who react to unforeseen consequences. Who knows, who cares. Unlike Aloe, I really doubt this would result in anything but simple annoyance to her as I doubt JP antis has plenty of options to do real damage to a foreign girl who I'm pretty sure doesn't even live in Japan. All they can do in reality is seethe.

Remember that it is the girl's decision on whether or not they want to erase their internet presences as much as they can. Cover can't force that upon them, even when it is better for the talents themselves in the long run. If Cover didn't give advice about it which is doubtful after 2020(at this point, anyone who joins Hololive should have known the risk, you basically have to be as clueless as Moona to be that unaware about Hololive) then at least their seniors would have given them such advices, given their experience. Then it's up to them to sort themselves before debut if they wanted to.

Although I do wonder why the focus on the owl specifically? Maybe they see her as the weak link to mess with?

This, while they dig up all those info, it means nothing in the end if she don't care. I'm willing to bet that home address is an old one since someone said she move around a lot, and sure they got her name, then what? All of EN real name and some of JP has been doxxed to hell and back. Nothing happen. And if Matsuri with her personal flesh-toy that hand belong to doesn't lead to any meaningful attempt to cancel and destroy her career, I don't think this fresh-out-of-the-mill western girl going to get any noticeable backlash. Her JP fans might grow slower I guess, but I'll say that's a plus. Pruining out the most insane betacuck at the beginning is hardly a bad thing.
And if we to be real, Aloe barely hanging by the thread to begin with. The dox and the flame on the first week are just the catalyst. She would yab sooner or later.

Although I do wonder why the focus on the owl specifically? Maybe they see her as the weak link to mess with?

Probably. She's young. Plus, she's beautiful white girl with several boyfriend so far. Can't have that in cuckland.

 

[TiredCatto]

If you're right then, why did Kronii use the term Senpai? Yeah, they're still her seniors, why I fail to see how holoEN would "get away from Senpai/Kouhai relationships" if they keep calling their seniors Senpai.

just to add, besides it's put a gimmick to the audience, it's a reminder for themselves for their status when performing. the same when JP talent keeps referring themself to their character name rather than using "I" beside to give cute impression, it's to keep their character. that's why even when each member meet up irl, and when they talk about a story related to them, they keep referring to their stage name, otherwise, sometimes they must be slip-calling, for example, Marine irl name.

like Holo ID Senpai-Kouhai thing is going around just when they are streaming, and mostly like in their discord, they discussing it equally. you can tell they not used to it, since it's nothing matters in ID also Moona slipped calling Botan her senpai, or Anya calling IRyS a senpai during her calling her senpai stream.

and like @Burnt Fish said, it really doesn't affect anything. so just give it a go

 

[Godzilla1984]

My rrat: Zax took over Pippa's twitter and is behind DDoS attacks on farms. Or something. Idk, ask thhrang for details.

We seem to have a détente with Zax as of late.
My rrat: @thhrang bought him a new fursuit.