General GunTuber thread

[Corn Flakes]

I just wonder why TF he didn't use a vintage stocked pistol w/ fixed barrel. I understand building the Sig 320 to shill for Mod Guns (since they sent him the thing), but use a Glock, Luger, or Walther AP for the competition.

And even if he doesn't personally own one, I don't doubt he could've sourced something more forgotten for the event. Unless he was obligated to run the Sig 320 in addition to doing the build video, which I can understand; along with having the Sig already built, which eliminates the headache of finding a loaner & saves time.

But holy shit, it should've been obvious that running the Sig 320 was going to provide poor results. Maybe it's just me, but I just got the impression like he already knew it was going to suck & had to act surprised for viewers & sponsors, because he didn't really have a choice in bringing something else (for whatever reason).

I got your answer right here: it's Ian's new toy and he wanted to play with it on camera. Same with him shooting matches with the Alien and other guns he had just acquired. Being able to run a 2-gun match with just one gun probably ranked high on Ian's gimmick-o-meter, too. "I get to carry only a single exceptionally light gun, plus a bunch of lightweight ammo? I'm a genius!"

I'm sure he had an inkling things weren't going to go all that smoothly in the long range stages, but he didn't think it was going to be that bad. Still, I thought it was an interesting video, and I don't think he would have done much better even with a fixed-barrel pistol. Stock or not, hitting something 100-200 yards out with a 4-inch barrel and a basic bitch red dot is going to be a pain.

Overall I thought these were two interesting videos. The first one in particular, because I never went messing around with trigger parts like that on pistols so I liked seeing how it went together, including his goofs on camera. And the second one was a pretty decent warts-and-all demonstration of the gun itself, including that trigger malfunction halfway through the stage.

 

[Molokroid]

Today, in Ian Finds Out The Hard Way Why Some Weapons Have Been Forgotten: stocked pistols!

It really shouldn't have come as a surprise to him that stocked pistols have been completely overshadowed by SMGs and small carbines on pretty much every use case in the military and law enforcement, leaving only very specific security and/or self-defense use cases. And even in those cases, these exist:

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Talk about failing to see the wood for the trees.

Still, it's a neat little pistol. It definitely looks fun to shoot. I'd have one as a plinker if it didn't need to be registered as a fucking SBR.

He should bring an FN M249s civilian edition to the ranger desert brutality match. Lots of style points and very affordable for only $9,999.99.
Ideally belt fed but magazine fed would also be acceptable.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

I got your answer right there: it's Ian's new toy and he wanted to play with it on camera. Same with him shooting matches with the Alien and other guns he had just acquired.

Except I'd argue many/most of those were obtained on his own accord or dime; but the Sig 320 project & video was something done on behalf of Mod Guns (formerly Sig Parts).

Being able to run a 2-gun match with just one gun probably ranked high on Ian's gimmick-o-meter, too. "I get to carry only a single exceptionally light gun, plus a bunch of lightweight ammo? I'm a genius!"

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure he's done the "single exceptional gun" thing for events before, with historic/obscure pistols & rifles.

I'm sure he had an inkling things weren't going to go all that smoothly in the long range stages, but he didn't think it was going to be that bad.

What struck me is he's usually pretty good at voicing even small doubts prior to running stages, when it's obvious those doubts should exist.

I don't think he would have done much better even with a fixed-barrel pistol. Stock or not, hitting something 100-200 yards out with a 4-inch barrel and a basic bitch red dot is going to be a pain.

But as he noted the rounds were landing everywhere around the target, even with the same POA. I'd entirely expect that something in good condition & fixed barrel would provide a more consistent POI with decent ammunition, even/especially with a red-dot (at 200yds, the dot should still provide an easier time for obtaining a repeatable aim point).

 

[quaawaa]

But as he noted the rounds were landing everywhere around the target, even with the same POA. I'd entirely expect that something in good condition & fixed barrel would provide a more consistent POI with decent ammunition, even/especially with a red-dot (at 200yds, the dot should still provide an easier time for obtaining a repeatable aim point).

My custom P320 had a large break in period where it was frequently jamming and impacts were all over the place. After a few hundred rounds it all cleared up. Ian could have run into a similar problem.

 

[Baked Al-Aqsa]

You may not like it, but this is what peak male performance looks like.

 

[Corn Flakes]

Except I'd argue many/most of those were obtained on his own accord or dime; but the Sig 320 project & video was something done on behalf of Mod Guns (formerly Sig Parts).

I get where you're coming from but I don't think the 2-gun video was part of the deal. On the build video he mentioned Mod Guns a bunch of times, he really wanted to make it clear where he had gotten the gun and the parts from. But when it came to the match video I don't actually remember him mentioning Mod Guns once, and if he did it had to be in passing. He doesn't even mention them in the video description.

That's why I think this video was just him goofing around with his new toy instead of a part of the sponsorship deal.

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure he's done the "single exceptional gun" thing for events before, with historic/obscure pistols & rifles.

Can't say I remember any match like that. He's coupled historical guns with modern guns, or skipped the stages with the modern guns when he didn't have age-appropriate counterparts to whatever gun he had been featuring, but I can't think of any time he ran a full 2-gun match with only one gun. Can you find any examples?

But as he noted the rounds were landing everywhere around the target, even with the same POA. I'd entirely expect that something in good condition & fixed barrel would provide a more consistent POI with decent ammunition, even/especially with a red-dot (at 200yds, the dot should still provide an easier time for obtaining a repeatable aim point).

I'm just going to assume you're a better shot than me. Even with a stock and a fixed barrel, I would not trust myself hitting a target reliably at 200 yards with anything smaller than a "normal" carbine (read: not a stocked pistol). Hell, even wearing glasses I find it difficult to spot small targets at that distance sometimes. And shooting something with the mag well inside the grip it becomes a matter of ergonomics for me: I feel my aim gets far too wobbly without a solid hold further down the gun. So yeah: the tilting barrel did not help, but I think the problem was more than just the barrel itself.

 

[Trig.Point]

My custom P320 had a large break in period where it was frequently jamming and impacts were all over the place. After a few hundred rounds it all cleared up. Ian could have run into a similar problem.

When the British Army used Sig's they used to issue them with a little hard back notebook where you had to record the rounds fired as well any dry firing you did with them, we were assured by the Armorer that they were going to fall apart in our hands at any time, that the decocking lever was a strange device designed to make us negligently discharge, and that we should pray to Gaston Glock that the Army would see sense.

Incidentally when the Army did eventually switch over to Glocks, google British Army and Holster to see how they made peace with the lack of a safety... ie 'fuck it I'll just carry a rifle'.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

When the British Army used Sig's they used to issue them with a little hard back notebook where you had to record the rounds firing and any dry firing you did with them, we were assured by the Armorer that they were going to fall apart in out hands at any time, and that we should pray to Gaston Glock that the Army would see sense.

I don't know if the military that issued the SA80 is the correct people to ask about the assumed reliability of a firearm or the perfect people to ask.

 

[TerminalTryHard]

When the British Army used Sig's they used to issue them with a little hard back notebook where you had to record the rounds firing and any dry firing you did with them, we were assured by the Armorer that they were going to fall apart in our hands at any time, that the decocking lever was a strange device designed to make us negligently discharge, and that we should pray to Gaston Glock that the Army would see sense.

Incidentally when the Army did eventually switch over to Glocks, google British Army and Holster to see how they made peace with the lack of a safety... ie 'fuck it I'll just carry a rifle'.

You mean this thing?

 

[Trig.Point]

You mean this thing?
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It's fucking horrendous, it's two separate buttons to actually get the pistol out and even then you're not allowed one in the chamber. The holster juts several inches out from your hip so you keep forgetting it's there until you hit something. Bear in mind that the only reason anyone ever carried a pistol was that after the 'Battle of Bastion' (when the RAF waved a bunch of taliban onto camp) that everyone had to carry a weapon system, and people didn't want to carry rifles.

The thing that most influenced me about pistols, was when I saw the US Chief Medical Officer in Bastion walking around with an M4, instead of a pistol.

I don't know if the military that issued the SA80 is the correct people to ask about the assumed reliability of a firearm or the perfect people to ask.

Right so the SA80 is heavy, but if you're already wearing body armour and any sort of personal kit, the weight really doesn't matter. The sling (a 3 point sling!! Karl you fuckwit) lets you pull the weapon in tight to your back so you forget it's even there (because you're carrying 40kg of other kit), also if you need to unsling it you can control it with one hand (this is something that's never mentioned when guntubers talk about bulpups).

Also at 300m you can't miss with it, literal fucking retards hit at 300m. The A2 is reliable, it's still a shit rifle, but it's got a full length barrel and even in the standing position after being beasted on a 5mile tab, everybody in a section will still get hits on target with it.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

I'm just going to assume you're a better shot than me. Even with a stock and a fixed barrel, I would not trust myself hitting a target reliably at 200 yards with anything smaller than a "normal" carbine (read: not a stocked pistol). Hell, even wearing glasses I find it difficult to spot small targets at that distance sometimes. And shooting something with the mag well inside the grip it becomes a matter of ergonomics for me: I feel my aim gets far too wobbly without a solid hold further down the gun. So yeah: the tilting barrel did not help, but I think the problem was more than just the barrel itself.

I wasn't sure that a fixed-barrel made that much difference in a pistol at longer/ridiculous ranges, until I tried hitting steel at 50 & 100m locked into a rest, using my nice E. German Makarov against a really tight Colt Government .380. We were bullshitting off the line about Walthers vs. Brownings, and I commented that the Walthers were inherently more accurate. While he agreed, he was sure swing-linked barrels didn't make that much of a difference.

My eyes suck, but we had binos & once I figured out where I needed to put my POA, each of them had similar holds to put rounds on target. The trajectories probably looked like indirect fire arcs from that far out, and both pistols looked like they had hubcap sized groups.

Except the Colt Government did the same thing as that Sig; hit everywhere, except the center. Which surely did upset it's poor owner, who was also positive that it'd easily match or beat the Makarov, which lead to us betting on it.

Especially after he tried it, not trusting the rest or me, and got the same results.

Good times.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

Right so the SA80 is heavy, but if you're already wearing body armour and any sort of personal kit, the weight really doesn't matter. The sling lets you pull the weapon in tight to your back so you forget it's even there (because you're carrying 40kg of other kit), also if you need to unsling it you can control it with one hand (this is something that's never mentioned when guntubers talk about bulpups).

Also at 300m you can't miss with it, literal fucking retards hit at 300m. The A2 is reliable, it's still a shit rifle, but it's got a full length barrel and even in the standing position after being beasted on a 5mile tab, everybody in a section will still get hits on target with it.

(relax man, I'm just memeing)

 

[TerminalTryHard]

It's fucking horrendous, it's two separate buttons to actually get the pistol out and even then you're not allowed one in the chamber. The holster juts several inches out from your hip so you keep forgetting it's there until you hit something. Bear in mind that the only reason anyone ever carried a pistol was that after the 'Battle of Bastion' (when the RAF waved a bunch of taliban onto camp) that everyone had to carry a weapon system, and people didn't want to carry rifles.

The thing that most influenced me about pistols, was when I saw the US Chief Medical Officer in Bastion walking around with an M4, instead of a pistol.


Right so the SA80 is heavy, but if you're already wearing body armour and any sort of personal kit, the weight really doesn't matter. The sling (a 3 point sling!! Karl you fuckwit) lets you pull the weapon in tight to your back so you forget it's even there (because you're carrying 40kg of other kit), also if you need to unsling it you can control it with one hand (this is something that's never mentioned when guntubers talk about bulpups).

Also at 300m you can't miss with it, literal fucking retards hit at 300m. The A2 is reliable, it's still a shit rifle, but it's got a full length barrel and even in the standing position after being beasted on a 5mile tab, everybody in a section will still get hits on target with it.

Well how many countries can say they made the Serpa worse?

That's something to be proud of.

 

[Kendall Motor Oil]

@SinistralRifleman
If Karl asked, would you record him getting fucked by Tacticool Girlfriend?
Serious reply only.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

@SinistralRifleman
If Karl asked, would you record him getting fucked by Tacticool Girlfriend?
Serious reply only.

Karl only watches, so he can do his own filming too.

But the fact that you've thought enough about TGF railing Karl to tag Sinistral with such an autistic & islamic shitpoast, well....

 

[Kendall Motor Oil]

It was a joke that came to mind yesterday and I contemplated posting it for a while. I didn't know if it was going to come off as mean spirited or autistic. Now all of you have that image in your head. :deviant:

 

[White Devil]

Karl would probably record Deviant getting fucked by Tactical Troon.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

Karl would probably record Deviant getting fucked by Tactical Troon.

I doubt they'd ask or let him. He'll always be a goy to that crowd.

 

[jkkf2204]

Everyone in this country has a right to own firearms for self defense. This includes my political opponents, and people with mental health issues. Everyone has these rights until they infringe on the rights of others through the initiation of violence.

I am a capitalist and a business man. Treating people with basic respect if they haven’t done anything to harm or disrespect me is simply good business.

TacticoolGF was reasonable and pleasant in person. Brutality matches are open to anyone that can behave in public and is not dangerous. And yes this even includes you assholes here.

TacticoolGF is an obvious man pretending to be a woman. He will never be a real woman. I don't care about your strawman infinitesimal number of cases of Klinefelter's or Turner's or other genetic anomalies. Those are all pathologies anyway (abnormal) and should not be celebrated as normal. They are freaks, and they have a legitimate genetic explanation for it.

A man pretending to be a woman outside of a comedic context is mentally ill. These mentally ill men pretending to be women like TacticoolGF are obviously hilarious for how grotesque they are but I am referring to normal men pretending to be women for comedy as the only time it is acceptable.

TacticoolGF = Tacticool Gay Fag, a deafeningly obvious man suffering from a severe psychopathology.

A man pretending to be a woman is mentally ill and should placed in an institution with other mentally ill people so they can not harm normal society. If a schizophrenic retard on the streets claims he is Jesus Christ I do not agree with him and will not encourage him. I don't understand why you would encourage an equally mentally ill gay retard.

 

[1Tonka_Truck]

But holy shit, it should've been obvious that running the Sig 320 was going to provide poor results. Maybe it's just me, but I just got the impression like he already knew it was going to suck & had to act surprised for viewers & sponsors, because he didn't really have a choice in bringing something else (for whatever reason).

8" 3011 with a T1 would have been hilarious. These matches probably have a no printed guns rule tho.