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Trig.Point said:
9 months? He allowed himself to be pressurised into sending it out early?

Look I get that Novak is a talented guy, but if you take money from someone to do a Job, you're entering into a contract. I get the impression that he thought that a low end job was a waste of his time.... but then he shouldn't have taken the job. The guy that gave it to him, probably thought he was doing him a favour by giving him work.

Also the fact that Novak did the job via an intermediary gun shop, that is now out of business... is well..

If he's a professional gunsmith, he shouldn't be making videos whinging at customers, saying he regrets doing the work. However if he's a gifted amateur looking to keep himself occupied during retirement, it kind of makes sense.
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This is the problem. It sounds like he DOESN'T want to be a gunsmith anymore. At the end of the day gunsmithing is a service and 80% of the time it's remedial tasks. All he want's to do want's to finger bang MP40s.

The problem is he makes videos for YouTube where the vast majority of viewers AREN'T millionares with Class III weaponry. So OF COURSE he is attracting customers who want him to rust blue their grandfather's 1911.

There are probably a couple hundred gunsmiths on Mark's level or higher in the country so they have to divy up the "interesting" work.

If he is too busy for an apprentice, get an office assistant. His hours should be hands on guns and nothing else.
 
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HelpingNoone said:
If he is too busy for an apprentice, get an office assistant. His hours should be hands on guns and nothing else.
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I'm not a huge fan of this whole 'apprentice' routine, where a busy workplace takes on unpaid or underpaid, low skilled workers. It's usually done for the wrong reason and ends badly.

He needs a skilled general machinist, that he can give detailed tasks to without constantly checking his work. Someone used to working in a small workshop would also be able to answer the phone, do basic paperwork etc.

If I remember right Novak did a video a couple of years ago where he complained about going through multiple different apprentices, and complaining about modern youth. It could just be that Novak has no ability to train an apprentice.

If he mentored a junior sailor in the navy, then by the time that sailor came on board, he had already gone through trade school, so what was required was a process of guiding them through gaining experience, not teaching basic tasks. Also that junior sailor would be getting paid, which tends to affect general attitude.
 
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Tour of Italy said:
My main problem with Atun-Shei and people who make similar arguments trying to dunk on the south, is that they tend to lack any sense of humanity. Little respect is given to the cultural consequences of the south fighting the most horrific industrial war that America had seen, and fighting it in their own back yard.

You can make an academic or snarky moral argument about how much worse the evils of slavery and Jim Crow were, and you can nitpick about the historical details that pro-Confederacy types tend to fixate on as a coping mechanism, but people tend to make the mistake of not remembering that they’re usually talking to people whose views were, generations ago, shaped by a culture who fought and died and suffered personally. They wanted those sacrifices to mean something, they typically understand that slavery is wrong, but they look at their ancestors and want to find some way to justify the suffering and celebrate the quality human traits where they can be found. Stonewall Jackson isn’t revered for what he fought for, but how he fought.

I’ve noticed this when visiting parts of the south that paid a direct toll for the war, the confederate iconography tends to be more open and more part of the culture. You can try to shame them all you want from a modern perspective of presentism, but you’re not going to win any hearts and minds if you ignore the fact that their culture took root back when there were still people around who had their farms burned, their daughters raped and their sons murdered. A decade of harsh winters starving in Shenandoah or Savannah, experienced first hand, is going to shape the post-war culture and if you try to engage with people from those cultures without acknowledging that, then you’re doing it more for your own sense of self-superiority than you are for any real attempt to find common ground or change people’s minds. That very real, very human pain tends to supersede a the more distant morality of overall conflict.

That plus when you strip away the fact that now people understand that slavery and racism are fucking wrong, the Civil war becomes a narrative of rural life versus urban imperialism. Can you take a wild fucking guess as to why that message might still resonate with people today, oh educated urbanites constantly showing your disdain and ridiculing rural culture? And that’s when you’re not actively trying to snuff it out.

People like Atun who build their whole historically narrative about the Civil War based on a modern sense of empathy for the very real suffering of the slaves and post-war African American struggles ironically tend to show little empathy for the people who actually fought it, and who are degraded and dismissed as racists for trying to find some modern angle to justify what they see as heroism from people with whom they share a culture.
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Despite how much people like to moralize about how war affects the people fighting they also like to ignore that when you can get epic reddit karma
 
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Trig.Point said:
I'm not a huge fan of this whole 'apprentice' routine, where a busy workplace takes on unpaid or underpaid, low skilled workers. It's usually done for the wrong reason and ends badly.
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As I've mentioned before, it goes the opposite way now too; young guys walk in with fucking reams of paper qualifications & test scores & expect to immediately skip straight to master-level work, along with free tools & the keys to the shop.

I understand a lot of otherwise skilled guys can't provide their own tools at first, but this expectation of full toolboxes being provided off the bat is fairly new in my experience.
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He needs a skilled general machinist, that he can give detailed tasks to without constantly checking his work. Someone used to working in a small workshop would also be able to answer the phone, do basic paperwork etc.

If I remember right Novak did a video a couple of years ago where he complained about going through multiple different apprentices, and complaining about modern youth. It could just be that Novak has no ability to train an apprentice.

If he mentored a junior sailor in the navy, then by the time that sailor came on board, he had already gone through trade school, so what was required was a process of guiding them through gaining experience, not teaching basic tasks. Also that junior sailor would be getting paid, which tends to affect general attitude.
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Yeah, when their channel blew up, his regular apprentice got roped into doing a lot of things other than gunsmithing. I think he's moved on now & dunno if they've tried to hire anyone else, but they're probably constantly swamped now with offers, regardless. I'm sure most of them are mint.

Novak is very much an instructor, not a mentor/babysitter. As a former NCO, I completely feel his disdain for the latter role. But keeping going like he is gonna give the crotchety old bastard a stroke before too long, bless his heart.
 
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WhoBusTank69 said:
Karl is silent, Tacticool BF is silent, Deviant Ollam is afraid of state's rights.(archive)
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Ian is silent too....but Ian is generally quite consistently silent about politics overall.

Karl meanwhile does overtly political stuff like bend the knee to BLM and has actually talked about the importance of firearms to various minority groups.....but can’t be bothered to address potential national infringements on gun rights that affect everyone. I’m not saying I think Karl is secretly in favor of the bills either, but he exhibits some odd inconsistencies when it comes to what he’s willing to stick his neck out for.

Even other very apolitical firearms-focused channels like Nine Hole Reviews have gone out of their way to make statements against the latest anti-gun bills.
 
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aZk said:
Ian is silent too....but Ian is generally quite consistently silent about politics overall.

Karl meanwhile does overtly political stuff like bend the knee to BLM and has actually talked about the importance of firearms to various minority groups.....but can’t be bothered to address potential national infringements on gun rights that affect everyone. I’m not saying I think Karl is secretly in favor of the bills either, but he exhibits some odd inconsistencies when it comes to what he’s willing to stick his neck out for.

Even other very apolitical firearms-focused channels like Nine Hole Reviews have gone out of their way to make statements against the latest anti-gun bills.
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I think Karl's attitude has always been to help build support for the second amendment among groups that wouldn't otherwise support it. Which isn't a bad idea. Atun Shei's audience are all leftie types and in fairness he did his best to promote gun rights to them.
 
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Trig.Point said:
I think Karl's attitude has always been to help build support for the second amendment among groups that wouldn't otherwise support it. Which isn't a bad idea. Atun Shei's audience are all leftie types and in fairness he did his best to promote gun rights to them.
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But they don't even care about gun rights and never would, because they want to be the only ones who can own guns in the first place.
 
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Trig.Point said:
I think Karl's attitude has always been to help build support for the second amendment among groups that wouldn't otherwise support it. Which isn't a bad idea. Atun Shei's audience are all leftie types and in fairness he did his best to promote gun rights to them.
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Good. But he might want to mention “oh hey, all you new 2A supporters out there and 2A fence-sitters, there’s some anti-gun legislation moving through congress, and this is why it’s bad......”

Someone with Karl’s *apparently* more Left-skewing audience (Vs other gun channels) making a point of explaining why these bills should be opposed would probably be useful outreach to a demographic which might not otherwise get the message because they aren’t watching other guntubers.
He does this type of stuff with digital rights issues. But of late he seems too preoccupied courting the favor of RevComs and trannies to actually talk about topical matters pertaining to gun rights, despite his doing so potentially being very influential.
 
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Looks like Ian isn’t really distancing himself from Karl. His latest Instagram post includes him. I really had hope for Ian to ditch the sperg.
 

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ellroy said:
Looks like Ian isn’t really distancing himself from Karl. His latest Instagram post includes him. I really had hope for Ian to ditch the sperg.
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Why would he? They both have the same politics. Ian just doesn't let his show like Karl because Ian probably enjoys being a cult figure and the money it brings.
 
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White Devil said:
Why would he? They both have the same politics. Ian just doesn't let his show like Karl because Ian probably enjoys being a cult figure and the money it brings.
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Ian hasn't let his politics show since before he was wildly popular- I think he's doing the smart thing, both for business and for the documentary nature of his videos.

I haven't really seen anything to suggest Ian has substantially left politics, aside from perhaps his past as a solar panel salesman (lol) and previous interest in sustainable living. The comments he made about South Africa seem informed by his time there. He is probably relatively center, or if a liberal, a Bush era style liberal before they went off the deep end.

It would be difficult for me to imagine than in between travelling, writing for his blog, making and editing videos, etc. he finds time to listen to ContraPoints or anything of that nature.

BTW I seem to remember older InRange videos where Karl and Ian explicitly state they aren't friends, and don't hang out aside from making videos.
 
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You realize you're contradicting yourself? "Ian doesn't make his beliefs public since being famous"

"I haven't seen Ian say etc"

He's admitted to being a member of the John Brown gun club, the fact that he's a massive fucking autist with a bunch of equally autistic fanboys who bend over backwards to defend him from any criticism doesn't change the basic fact that he wouldn't be doing videos with someone as insufferable as Karl if they didn't have a lot in common. Like we both agree on, he just keeps his politics to himself now. If it was hard confirmed he was a leftist, he'd lose a lot of the retards that worship him.
 
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What's going on with gun control right now?
Ian the gun jesus guy right?
 
ellroy said:
Looks like Ian isn’t really distancing himself from Karl. His latest Instagram post includes him. I really had hope for Ian to ditch the sperg.
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Looks like there's an article in a print magazine where a still from a years old video of his was used in it, mistaking them (maybe intentionally) as actual Finnish soldiers from the time period. He probably had enough people asking him WTF he felt the need to address it humorously. I'm not sure that really counts as associating with Karl.
 
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