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Apparently Ian has some more things to say about the P320 on his instagram:
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"Can SIG recover from the P320? Well, S&W recovered from when gun V95139 fell out of a holster and killed a US Navy sailor, and the Model 10 isn't considered an unsafe gun today..."
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The main difference, Ian, between the model 10 and the 320 is that the M10 was one of the first US made double action revolvers and S&W were still trying to figure out how to mass produce such complex guns on a mass scale and still it didnt go off on its own until it was slammed into the earth by the might of its gravitational pull. The p320 on the other hand is a striker fired hand gun in a time where the industry practically perfected such a mechanism to the point where physical safetys are seen as obsolete and still went off after being lightly placed on a table within a holster. So no, suffah Sig
 
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I think I can mirror a lot of people's disappointment in Ian's response to this but I think people need to let go of Ian McCollum the person and see him as Forgotten Weapons the firearms industry entity. There are very real consequences to talking shit, and you never know who's listening. Here's a Rick Beato video about the music industry that very much applies to any industry you work in. Putting aside any good graces you may lose with Sig, you never know if another firearms manufacturer sees the way you behave with Sig and goes 'there by the grace of God goes I, this guy is a liability'. In my own industry I know people who are informally banned from a few places, not for being incompetent but because they had acted like massive faggots and pissed off the wrong guy.

Again, not running interference for Ian, but I completely understand why he is acting the way he is, I think I'd have unsubscribed if he didn't tell people that they were better off buying just about anything other than a P320 going forward.
 
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a-Lager said:
M10 was one of the first US made double action revolvers and S&W were still trying to figure out how to mass produce such complex guns on a mass scale
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this isn't really true. Smith and Wesson started build double action revolvers in 1880 and by WW2 had built several million of them.

Colt's first D/A came in 1877. in 1892 they came out with a modern swing-out cylinder model and used that same lockwork in some models until discontinuing the Python in 2005. New colts use the updated Trooper MKIII action from the 1960s.

Remington started offering double action variants of it's .36 caliber percussion revolvers in 1860!

What would become the model 10 appeared first in 1889 after a solicitation from the US army and navy because their .38 long colt chambered Colt M1892. S&W lengthened the long colt case and created what was then called .38 US service CTG and is now known as the .38 special. internally the S&W was not much different than the Colt. The last major change in the lock work was in 1902. they've been mostly made the same way since across most models (just scaled up and down)
 
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waffle said:
They're going to go back to the drawing board and come out with some new M4a2 that has tougher bolt lugs and a hardened feed ramp so you can just feed it M855A1 all day.
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If that happens I think it would be a net positive for the military and the industry as a whole. No clue on the idea's economic viability, though.

I'm salty at Sig and siggers getting Ben Stoeger's IG taken down.
 
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M14 Respecters stay winning Ian Conspiracy theory Mccullen and his retarded idea that Everyone was conspired against the M16. And that's why they adopted the M14. No, the M14 was supposed to be a stopgap measure. And we should have replaced it. However, the M14 is still perfectly competent. Marksman's rifle.
His love of disgusting French firearms like FN Fall. Assault rifles would never not be funny as well, because FN was founded by an American. So was Maxim. So if you want to blame someone for the MASH casualties of World War One, you could blame the United States of America selling a bunch of stupid Europeans guns to kill each other.

Ian was sweeping, sweep sweeping up for the sig.
 
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Wyoming is at it again, he's doing some really amazing work out of nowhere. I will admit when I saw them talking way back in 2019 or whatever about the drop safety issue, it seemed the tolerance of the striker block system is too easy to overcome. It's just milimeters. A Glock (or hammer P226, 92f, 5906 and so on) needs quite a bit of travel for the striker block to disengage, and it's also not all in the same general area. I felt uncomfortable with the design even back then. Striker blocks to me are the keys to modern UC/drop safe. It's why I never liked the 1911 and even Paul Harrell said don't carry a loaded AR unless ready, they'll potentially go off with a good hit even with the lightest striker weight.

It's what they went with for low cost and that frankly stupid modular setup that nobody ever uses with FCUs.


XD's (And Canik) are a good example of a single-action fully cocking striker being done right. Needs more travel in a different (traditional) block to move to hit the primer.

I think, just my opinion, that the problem might be that the Sig has is relying on 2 frame based releases, the main sear and then the backup in the frame. The loose fit screws with that. Most any other pistol has a slide based striker block.

The strike breaks past the main sear by whatever means, then is already at momentum to hit the backup striker block, which is also possibly weakened by use with a tiny margin of error (indian parts). Bam.

Made a few edits on this as I was thinking it through, but at this point the only modern Sig I'd bother with is the 365, and even then it's in doubt cause this company could be screwed. And what's worse is nobody's talking about the 277 Fury and M7 rifle stuff really yet. The rifle appears well designed, but the ammo issue on it is going to be another nightmare.
 
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It's always hilarious to see shit that the main community and industry shills pretend it isnt a issue and then it immediately does and you can see the roaches running for cover as soon as the light comes on.
What you need to do is to keep those fuckers in check, question them every minute for gaslighting you into pretending this was never real and when the drama inevitably dies down, they will pretend they never defended the company or even start erasing their old shit like karl the cuck kasard started doing.
Don't ignore this, the same shills who promoted this sig garbage and ignored the reports or the injuries or deaths will try as hard as they can to go along like nothing happened and will go "huh? i never said that" to someone who asks if they still shill for siggers 3 years from now.


This SIG scenario ironically made me think of the Taurus disaster, Taurus is effectively in a duopoly with the army IMBEL brand and their CBC ammo and shotgun subbrand, imagine being so shit you manage to blow up a monopoly and force for the first time in history that civilians and police departments outside of special forces can buy glocks.
Taurus 24/7 Scandal and Its Fallout in BrazilThe Taurus 24/7 handgun scandal in Brazil exposed serious safety issues, damaged the company’s reputation, and pushed the government to allow police to import foreign guns for the first time. Here’s a clear breakdown of what happened, why it hurt Taurus, and how many 24/7s were involved.Taurus 24/7’s Critical FlawThe Taurus 24/7, a .40 S&W DS model, was widely used by Brazilian police, with São Paulo’s Military Police (PMSP) purchasing 98,000 units. In 2013, a major defect surfaced:
  • Unintended Discharges: The pistol could fire without a trigger pull, even with the safety on, when shaken or dropped. A viral video of a police officer shaking a 24/7, causing it to fire, sparked widespread concern.
  • Real-World Incidents: Accidental shootings occurred, such as a gun firing after falling from an officer’s holster during a chase, causing property damage. While specific fatalities are not well-documented, injuries were reported.
  • Mass Recall: In 2013, the PMSP recalled all 98,000 units, and Taurus faced lawsuits and government investigations over the defect.
Damage to Taurus’s ReputationTaurus, Brazil’s leading gun manufacturer, suffered a massive blow:
  • Public Outrage: The viral video and recall fueled distrust. Online forums and X posts mocked Taurus, calling its products unreliable, especially for police compared to export models.
  • Compounding Scandals: Taurus’s image was further tarnished by a 2016 case involving illegal sales of 8,000 guns to a Yemeni arms trafficker and reports of factory workers stealing parts for criminals.
  • Lost Credibility: Compared to brands like Glock, Taurus was seen as cutting corners, eroding trust among police and civilians.
Shift to Foreign GunsBrazil’s laws once favored domestic manufacturers like Taurus, but the 24/7 scandal changed that:
  • Policy Change: The defect highlighted the need for reliable police weapons. In 2019, a decree under President Bolsonaro allowed imports of foreign guns, even if local options existed.
  • Rise of Competitors: Police adopted brands like Glock and Sig Sauer, with Glock exports to Brazil surging 377% in 2020.
  • End of Monopoly: The change ended Taurus’s dominance, forcing it to compete with global brands.
Scale of 24/7 Purchases
  • São Paulo’s Share: The PMSP bought 98,000 Taurus 24/7s, a significant portion of the total used by Brazilian police.
  • Broader Use: Other police forces likely purchased thousands more, though exact figures are unavailable, reflecting Taurus’s widespread role as a supplier.
The Taurus 24/7’s defects played a key role in convincing Brazil to let police import foreign handguns, breaking a long-standing preference for domestic manufacturers. Here’s how the scandal drove this historic policy shift.The 24/7’s Dangerous DefectThe Taurus 24/7 (.40 S&W DS) was a standard police sidearm, with São Paulo’s Military Police (PMSP) using 98,000 units. In 2013, a serious flaw emerged:
  • Firing Without Trigger: The gun could discharge when dropped or shaken, even with the safety on. A police officer’s viral video demonstrating this issue raised alarms.
  • Safety Risks: Incidents included a gun firing after falling from a holster during a chase, with reports of injuries but limited data on fatalities.
  • Recall and Scrutiny: The PMSP recalled all 98,000 units in 2013, and Taurus faced over 35 lawsuits plus federal investigations.
Why It Mattered for Law Enforcement The 24/7’s flaws endangered officers and eroded trust:
  • Unreliable Equipment: Police needed dependable guns for high-risk operations, especially in Brazil’s crime-heavy regions. The 24/7’s defects made it a liability.
  • Demand for Better Options: Departments like Rio’s Military Police and Federal Police were already using Glocks for specialized units, and the scandal pushed others to follow.
Policy Shift to Allow Imports Brazil’s laws once prioritized local gun makers, but the 24/7 scandal forced a rethink:
  • Pressure from Police: The recall and safety concerns gave police leverage to argue that domestic guns like the 24/7 didn’t meet standards, justifying imports.
  • 2019 Decree: In May 2019, President Bolsonaro signed a decree lifting restrictions on importing foreign guns, even if local alternatives existed, to ensure police had reliable equipment.
  • Foreign Brands Gain Ground: Police adopted Glock 22s and other models, with Glock exports to Brazil jumping 377% in 2020, reflecting the shift.
Why This Was a Big Deal The policy change marked a historic break from tradition:
  • Ending Domestic Preference: Previously, police had to prove no local gun met their needs. The 24/7’s failures provided that proof, opening the market.
  • Improved Safety: Imports gave officers access to reliable firearms, boosting effectiveness and trust.
  • Challenge for Taurus: The company faced new competition, pushing it to improve quality.

Also Taurus is a cheap shitty handgun in the US instead of a gigantic disaster simply because they have a florida based factory and Q&A center there, that's why Taurus are generally just shitty cheap guns instead of actual deathtraps, they sold the shitty refused parts from the US to law enforcement here, lmao.
 
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As long as we're getting things off our chest regarding Ian: France is lame & gay. They lost in 1940 because they're lazy cowards. Any other explanation is desperate cope.
 
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