General GunTuber thread

[S.C.U.D.]

I remember him from TFR over at SA and he wasn't more autistic than most users there. He was banned from there recently for defending a cop for killing an uppity negro, can't remember which one.
If you can get the SA archives it might be worth it to trawl through TFR and see how many guntubers were posting there.

He got permabanned for defending Kyle Rittenhouse.

 

[HumptiDouji]

He got permabanned for defending Kyle Rittenhouse.

SomethingAwful being a cuckhole, must have been a day ending in Y.

 

[wopirish]

I just started reading this thread today and holy shit is TCG one of the most autistic larpers I've seen in awhile. He reminds me of the type of retard who gets a full sleeve ACU tattoo and awols out a month later and then troons out in commie circles. Saying shit like "I was in the kind of operations you've never heard of." Retard you were an apc driver who avoided deployments shut the fuck up.

Speaking of TCG, any word on whether or not he was one of the Chaz guards who killed those two black boys? Because I'm betting that would make his KKK grandfather exceptionally proud; wasting two black kids like that and getting away with the murder.

 

[S.C.U.D.]

Tacticool Tranny did do a photo op at CHAZ last year but I don't think he did anything besides larp.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

With how he hasn't done much together with Karl in a while, and hasn't talked that much about the WWSD rifle, you wonder if he kinda saw the writing on the wall for that project. He shot the rifle in Finland and all, but that's also a pre-production rifle, right? It's probably handfitted and holds up fine, and the rifle was built to be light and from the perspective of him and another threegunner, it SHOULD do fine for this, even if the actual production is another matter.

Now that I think about it.... it almost seems like he agreed to do the promo for WWSD as a solid, after Karl & Phagan conceived their love-child, or Karl autistically badgered him into it. So it was always going to be a one-&-done deal, as far as FW is concerned.

In any, I wonder how Ian's ceiling cat macro comment is going to age....

The welds would have to be just completely fucked if they came apart from that, the manufacturing consistency is bad, but the plastic material itself is probably pretty strong, and if the halves were reasonably aligned when welded together they should hold up well, even if there's lots of fitment issues and flashing.

The mud test is to see how much mud gets into the action of a gun and how well it handles it. Being a pretty typical AR15, it probably keeps it out well enough, but the question of fitment would come up, possibly there's enough slop between the receivers that it would create an ingress point.
Of course, the In-Range Mudtest isn't particularly scientific.

I was being halfway facetious, but those are good points.

 

[wopirish]

So I'm curious, where do Karl and TGF go from here. Possibly we could get a guntuber/tranch crossover which would be hilarious. Though how Karl seems to thirst after TGF he might actually get inside kevin's amhole.

Also, what the fuck is wrong with Tucson that produces crazies like karl and tooter? Is it something in the water?

 

[Molly White's Breast Milk]

It's not just Tucson, Arizona is full of weirdos.

 

[HumptiDouji]

It's not just Tucson, Arizona is full of weirdos.

Sewage run-off from California?

Now that I think about it.... it almost seems like he agreed to do the promo for WWSD as a solid, after Karl & Phagan conceived their love-child, or Karl autistically badgered him into it. So it was always going to be a one-&-done deal, as far as FW is concerned.

Never thought of it like that.

 

[waffle]

I'm getting more and more interested in phagan, he doesn't seem to go on self righteous sperg rants like Karl but I think he might actually be the more autistic of the two. It's also kind of curious how the rift between inrange and fw seemed to happen once phagan got more involved.

I posted on the same HL1 mod ("Firearms") forum as him back in the day. He used the same handle and posted match pics/vids so it was defiantly him. honestly he seemed like a cool dude who would fit in here fine. I have no idea how he became BFF's with some fag like Karl. He fucking worked for the cav arms guy so I have no idea how they are having a hard time with these receivers. he fucking made the original ones.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

I have no idea how he became BFF's with some fag like Karl. He fucking worked for the cav arms guy so I have no idea how they are having a hard time with these receivers. he fucking made the original ones.

They ran in the same circles, so I guess their bromance started then.

I swear I've heard in multiple Forgotten Weapons videos, Ian mentioning the difficulty going from a working prototype to a full production run, and he's featured many guns that failed precisely at that point, for a lot of reasons.

That alone tells me Ian had zero input in the WWSD, and if he did say anything like, "hey guys, this isn't a very sound financial decision", they straight up ignored him.

In any case, they got seriously fucked by the shop they decided to use, and it seemed like Phagan didn't expect the receivers to show up looking like cheap model kit parts.

But the fact that they still decided to go with it and ship them is dumb as hell, on a lot of levels. They're going to get hammered by a metric fuck ton of warranty requests and returns before too long.

 

[S.C.U.D.]

I often give people too much benefit of the doubt, but I feel like Russell is doing the best with what he's got. He most likely could have vetted the plastic molds better, but he didn't, and they sunk probably tens of thousands of dollars into it so they just have to make do, maybe until the mold gives out and they can reset with a better one. And yeah, he's definitely drinking the kool-aid, but I think at least some of his hype and promotion is just from the perspective of "my company is selling this product and I need to stand behind it so we can stay in business."
That being said, I'm not buying a WWSD, originally I was going to buy just the upper and throw it on a lower I've already got but I think I'll just get a lightweight upper sourced somewhere else. If the lowers were super good I'd probably buy one of those for the novelty if nothing else.

 

[TerminalTryHard]

I posted on the same HL1 mod ("Firearms") forum as him back in the day. He used the same handle and posted match pics/vids so it was defiantly him. honestly he seemed like a cool dude who would fit in here fine. I have no idea how he became BFF's with some fag like Karl. He fucking worked for the cav arms guy so I have no idea how they are having a hard time with these receivers. he fucking made the original ones.

The karl russ thing makes total sense as they're both into competitive shooting so there's a lot of common ground.

To be fair I'm pretty sure russell had nothing to do with the manufacturing side. I believe he was a sales representative.

Edit: maybe I'm super late in this but has anyone seen anything about the lawsuit between KE arms and calvary arms?

https://casetext.com/case/gwacs-armory-llc-v-ke-arms-llc

 

[HumptiDouji]

I posted on the same HL1 mod ("Firearms") forum as him back in the day. He used the same handle and posted match pics/vids so it was defiantly him. honestly he seemed like a cool dude who would fit in here fine.

Oh fuck, man, Firearms takes me back.

Edit: maybe I'm super late in this but has anyone seen anything about the lawsuit between KE arms and calvary arms?

https://casetext.com/case/gwacs-armory-llc-v-ke-arms-llc

New to me, maybe I haven't paid attention.

 

[waffle]

The karl russ thing makes total sense as they're both into competitive shooting so there's a lot of common ground.

To be fair I'm pretty sure russell had nothing to do with the manufacturing side. I believe he was a sales representative.

Edit: maybe I'm super late in this but has anyone seen anything about the lawsuit between KE arms and calvary arms?

https://casetext.com/case/gwacs-armory-llc-v-ke-arms-llc

That suit's new to me. Russell either really fucked up or GWACS is getting greedy. Hard to know without seeing pleadings and the contract at least. Could be a close call too. Hard to know from the outside. It may explain why Ian has become kind of hadns off with what was originally partially his project. Ian is practically allergic to controversy. Not that that's a bad thing, not everybody on the internet has to be a turbo-shitposter and you should definately avoid it if you're as bad taking heat is Karl is.

 

[WhoBusTank69]

Edit: maybe I'm super late in this but has anyone seen anything about the lawsuit between KE arms and calvary arms?

https://casetext.com/case/gwacs-armory-llc-v-ke-arms-llc

Hasn't come up in the thread, but that's interesting.
We knew earlier that Russel was working with Cav Arms and that the monolithic polymer lower originated with them, but the assumption was that Russel just used the idea as a basis and did his own thing.

Essentially GWACS alleges they got screwed out of a deal partially because Russel jumped over to a new company and marketed a strikingly similar product to Brownell's that was totally not based on theirs and totally didn't use trade secrets on a thumb drive and blueprints that KE Arms bought off Nealon(of GWACS) and totally aren't subject to intellectual property rights. It's not like the entire marketing gimmick behind the CAV-15 was pushed by InRangeTV, the cancellation of the CAV-15 MKII was brought to light by InRangeTV, and the KP-15 MKIII was pushed by InRangeTV.

 

[Tour of Italy]

The karl russ thing makes total sense as they're both into competitive shooting so there's a lot of common ground.

To be fair I'm pretty sure russell had nothing to do with the manufacturing side. I believe he was a sales representative.

Edit: maybe I'm super late in this but has anyone seen anything about the lawsuit between KE arms and calvary arms?

https://casetext.com/case/gwacs-armory-llc-v-ke-arms-llc

Hasn't come up in the thread, but that's interesting.
We knew earlier that Russel was working with Cav Arms and that the monolithic polymer lower originated with them, but the assumption was that Russel just used the idea as a basis and did his own thing.

Essentially GWACS alleges they got screwed out of a deal partially because Russel jumped over to a new company and marketed a strikingly similar product to Brownell's that was totally not based on theirs and totally didn't use trade secrets on a thumb drive and blueprints that KE Arms bought off Nealon(of GWACS) and totally aren't subject to intellectual property rights. It's not like the entire marketing gimmick behind the CAV-15 was pushed by InRangeTV, the cancellation of the CAV-15 MKII was brought to light by InRangeTV, and the KP-15 MKIII was pushed by InRangeTV.

I’m torn, because I could honestly see this going either way:

Option 1 is that KE Arms, Brownells, and Russel violated an NDA and really did steal some proprietary secrets when developing the new lower. In fact, I sort of recall a statement by Russel or Ian directly stating that they started with the mold/shape of the MKII from GWACS when developing theirs.

Option 2 is that GWACS is just trying to cash in after they couldn’t seal the deal on their own development. It’s not uncommon for lawsuits to roll out as soon as it’s clear that there’s money to be had and a decent claim at damages.

Even if KE Arms or Brownells didn’t legally do anything wrong, I do still feel for GWACS, because I didn’t know they were working on developing a new product right when bigger players actually connected to InRange were swooping in.

There might be a Lolcow & Lolcow LLP thread in this if any of the parties start losing their cool publicly. Truth be told most of the people involved are pretty boring (with the exception of Karl, but he’s not even named in the suit), and unless this goes public and starts to generate actual moron drama worth pointing and laughing at, I don’t think it’s worth an OP.
Nobody on the board except this thread is going to be interested in boring contract law and motion practice if there aren’t public spergouts associated with it.

Still, it’s worth more digging here I think. I smell some potential.

 

[TerminalTryHard]

I’m torn, because I could honestly see this going either way:

Option 1 is that KE Arms, Brownells, and Russel violated an NDA and really did steal some proprietary secrets when developing the new lower. In fact, I sort of recall a statement by Russel or Ian directly stating that they started with the mold/shape of the MKII from GWACS when developing theirs.

Option 2 is that GWACS is just trying to cash in after they couldn’t seal the deal on their own development. It’s not uncommon for lawsuits to roll out as soon as it’s clear that there’s money to be had and a decent claim at damages.

Even if KE Arms or Brownells didn’t legally do anything wrong, I do still feel for GWACS, because I didn’t know they were working on developing a new product right when bigger players actually connected to InRange were swooping in.

There might be a Lolcow & Lolcow LLP thread in this if any of the parties start losing their cool publicly. Truth be told most of the people involved are pretty boring (with the exception of Karl, but he’s not even named in the suit), and unless this goes public and starts to generate actual moron drama worth pointing and laughing at, I don’t think it’s worth an OP.
Nobody on the board except this thread is going to be interested in boring contract law and motion practice if there aren’t public spergouts associated with it.

Still, it’s worth more digging here I think. I smell some potential.

I doubt we'll see anything to interesting come out of this since this document is from January and it's the only thing I could find about it. Neither karl, russell, or ian have even mentioned this, hell I only found it by accident trying to find details about exactly what russell did while he worked for GWACS. Though we do know at the very least someone from the inrange discord monitors this thread so we'll see if posting this rustles any jimmies.

 

[S.C.U.D.]

Option 1 is that KE Arms, Brownells, and Russel violated an NDA and really did steal some proprietary secrets when developing the new lower. In fact, I sort of recall a statement by Russel or Ian directly stating that they started with the mold/shape of the MKII from GWACS when developing theirs.

They could have just used one of the Cavalry lowers as reference when coming up with the KP-15 design, as they've openly acknowledge it's based on that, which wouldn't violate an NDA since they weren't using any "secrets," merely studying something that already exists in the public.

 

[WhoBusTank69]

They could have just used one of the Cavalry lowers as reference when coming up with the KP-15 design, as they've openly acknowledge it's based on that, which wouldn't violate an NDA since they weren't using any "secrets," merely studying something that already exists in the public.

Well that's where things get weird and probably didn't help their case.
The CavArms lower in production at the time was the MK II, KE Arms advertised their own as the MK III - I assume until this happened, then they dropped that because, really, that's both dumb and a dick move.

 

[waffle]

Hasn't come up in the thread, but that's interesting.
We knew earlier that Russel was working with Cav Arms and that the monolithic polymer lower originated with them, but the assumption was that Russel just used the idea as a basis and did his own thing.

Essentially GWACS alleges they got screwed out of a deal partially because Russel jumped over to a new company and marketed a strikingly similar product to Brownell's that was totally not based on theirs and totally didn't use trade secrets on a thumb drive and blueprints that KE Arms bought off Nealon(of GWACS) and totally aren't subject to intellectual property rights. It's not like the entire marketing gimmick behind the CAV-15 was pushed by InRangeTV, the cancellation of the CAV-15 MKII was brought to light by InRangeTV, and the KP-15 MKIII was pushed by InRangeTV.

Nealon was the original cav arms guy that Russell worked for back in the day, so it sounds like Russell's position is whatever he got from Nealon after the the original GWACS sale agreement was made couldn't have been covered by the agreement because the deal only covered info he knew when he signed the agreement.

Any time you make a deal like that where you're liscensing ip and also innovating and competing against your liscensees your basically asking for a suit like this.