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Put it in a spoiler and it should be fine. I'm definitely interested in context, because from what I've heard from my family over this weekend it sounds like an... interesting community to say the least.
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ffs how much more complicated is it vs "i like guns, let's shoot guns"? at least in CA, the "gun community" is basically split into rich, poor, politically right, politically left, and mixtures of those that either want to flee the state or stay in place.
i'm expecting a great epic of Yugo-zona balkanization complete with purges and warcrimes.
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Then I will most definitely deliver. Just understand it really won't be much.
Oh boy. I better start off by throwing in a disclaimer, in that the only reason that I do know about all this, is because of my general proximity to all of this. I work part time in a local gun store(won't say which one) handling shipping and receiving orders for a large FFL in this area. Because of that, I handle a lot of "special" orders on firearms and am sometimes asked to help certain groups such as the Arizona Citizens Defense League and the ASRPA(Arizona State Rifle and Pistol Association.) I would also like to add the very very fucking clear disclaimer that I throw all of the accusations I make toward each group through others who have had direct dealings with them or from personal experience.
Oh boy, sure can't wait for someone to put two and two together and figure out who the fuck I am.
You'd think, but holy shit, enough time around these people and you end up developing Booker DeWitt's personality traits. Only instead of going on a cool adventure and saving a girl, you just end up alcoholic and hating just about everything about the news related to the firearm world to the point it makes you absolutely spiteful and hateful toward it. A lot of folks, myself included, want to care and bring more people into the fold, however the toxicity of the community as a whole is the biggest hurdle to contend with. Explanation below.
Current soundtrack: https://youtu.be/k7agiqfuQmQ
The history of the Second Amendment within the State of Arizona is quite interesting, with many of Arizona's firearm freedoms being quite new in comparison to a state like Alaska or Montana, with Tombstone being the earliest example of gun control in the old west. The closest thing to a state receiving this much in pro-firearm legislation is probably Iowa's recent acquisition of constitutional carry. Why do I throw in these recent and old, historic, examples? I use these examples as Arizona, for all its citizens' bragging only received constitutional carry in 2010 through the efforts of lobbyists from the Arizona Citizens Defense League(AZCDL). Constitutional carry is not a new phenomenon, however it did start the trend toward other states adopting similar measures during the Obama administration.
Okay. Fuck my life, I need a cigarette.
Anyone who has spent a year alongside the Arizona firearms community, like many others will notice a lot of quirks and commonalities with its firearm community and many others like it. I'm not really sure how to break down its different subsections, so I'll go down the list of groups that I have personally dealt with and have heard of different types of burnt out activists dealing with.
Neo Conservatives/Fudds/Boomers/Your "Thin Blue Line"/"Back the Blue" types:
Why do I put all these in the same category? Because, most of the time(with certain exceptions) many of these folks share the same view.
"The police can do no wrong, all cops are honest, and that investigating forces will always honestly never take the side of officer."
I don't write this with any type of "ACAB" mindset at all.
There are good shootings.
There are bad shootings.
Just like good people who put on a uniform, there folks who do the Rust Cohle thing and get a discount off drugs with their badge. Many of my issues stem from law enforcement using their powers to confiscate firearms from honest, hard working people. Within this spectrum, the general shared sentiment is "If the cops are taking your guns, just go through the court system and have them take care of it!" This, coming from people who have never dealt with the nightmare of pretrial, trial, and legal proceedings as a whole.
One of my friends was investigated under a red flag protocol in California where two deputies from his county tore apart his room when he was 14(I can't seem to find the article but it should be somewhere in Truth About Guns or Ammoland), and now he's an emotional, paranoid wreck of a person that knows how to be polite, but is very wary of law enforcement. I have to talk him off a ledge every so often but he's one of the most genuine people I know. You'll probably find it easier than I will.
The same friend was called a darkie after someone asked him: "Aren't most gamers 30-something year olds that live in their parents' basements and don't go outside?"
He shot back with, "Is every black man that walks into a convenience store a felon looking to rob the place?"
That soapbox aside, many of these folks will adopt insanely authoritarian ideals with the turn of a hat if it means shredding the constitution and using it as toilet paper:
These are just a couple examples, but these people have a cognitive dissonance about them. On one hand, they want to get people into firearms, but they also manage to push them away by saying things like the above mentioned. Both of those screenshots are from the Arizona Citizens Defense League normiebook page.
The main issue with the groups that are meant to "promote freedom" is that they'll ban any real forms of dissenting opinions in favor of more conservative to semi libertarian opinions at least within the observable sphere that is the Arizona firearm community. You would think that folks in these groups would direct people to objectively good options for things such as concealed carry, carrying with a round in the chamber(but muh Israeli carry), and dressing like a normal human being, but it ends up becoming a hug box for old people who don't know shit about shit.
Within the youth sphere of this community, you'll also see many of the "back the blue" types, mainly out of ASU(I'm not sure of UofA's groups are the same way) that are more interested in trying to get themselves political points so they can run as some Republican front running candidate and will often times fuck over people who genuinely carry about the firearm community. The best example I have of this is a college age activist being shouted down after the mayor of Phoenix banned "gatherings of 12 people or more" during the height of the lockdown saying, "Welp there goes every Mexican family get together for the next few months." He made this joke despite having grown up in South Phoenix and also being Mexican.
He was essentially disowned from the conservative community, and was essentially shunned out of their functions. While that's all fine and dandy, when the message you put on consists of:
and
You have some genuinely serious image issues to fix. The community constantly pushes away people who want to increase their messaging capabilities through social media, but many of these groups only do their advertising on the counter of gun shops and gun shows, many of these patrons being older folks. If they don't fix their shit soon, there won't be any activists within their ranks to help the Arizona firearm community. Most people who stick it out with this group for longer than a year are easily burned out and have probably heard it all.
Tl;dr: Political aspirations, boomers being old and "Fuck you got mine", and treating the constitution like a piece of toilet paper when it's convenient to you is going to be the slow death of the Arizona firearm community.
Libertarians:
The libertarians are an interesting bunch. They really don't do much, but they are pretty vocal and do piggy back off the aforementioned above group. They will often times go against the pro police sentiment of the above, but in general are fairly impotent. I'm not saying that their efforts are ineffective, their networking and messaging is good. They just don't have the kind of political pull or power to really do anything meaningful. You can normally spot the libertarian types at 2A rallies wearing Hawaiian shirts and carrying around the pride flags with ARs on them. By comparison as it relates to the firearm community, their work is fairly innocuous.
Picture taken from a 2A rally in 2020.
Left Wing Gun Owners(The White Girls of the Left/"I'm not like other girls.")
As the political polarization continued, left wing groups in Arizona felt the need to begin arming up as a reaction to "right wing fascism" in Arizona. With the shadow of Charlottesville looming in the heads of many(with 1/6 not exactly being reported honestly adding fuel to the fire), Confederate monuments began to be defaced.
Arizona Confederate Monument Defaced, Circa 2019
Prior to this, many of your "John Brown Gun Club" types began to take hold in the minds of the first group. Especially after this video came out.
I don't even know what to fucking think of this outside of being plain and simply disappointed. To those on the outside looking in, they're just a massive joke. To those in the first category looking in, it's literally a bunch of terrorists out here about to commit 9/11: The Sequel. The reason I call the left wing gun owners the "white girls of the left" is because while they say things like, "I'm not like other liberals" they'd gladly trade in their shiny new Glock 19 Gen 5 if it meant the security of trans rights in Arizona. Also, I sadly cannot prove this as many of the posts related to it are basically gone and left wing gun owners in Arizona are stigmatized to the point of being pushed underground.
Now, where does Karl fit into all of this?
Karl, in my opinion is an outright reaction to the first group of people. The elderly folks in the first group tend to be toxic, push people away for the sole crime of trying to get into guns through media. Karl, while his methods may be well meaning by trying to get people into firearm ownership through "people" like TacticoolGirlfriend and Armed Equality, forgets that these people have to hold up their end of the public relations department too and not shit metaphorically shit on the floor(Armed Equality boycotted Tampax for instance for not being trans inclusive with their tampons.) Karl fits into this by being an angry reaction to the boomer conservative tide but only manages to be a "FUCK YOU DAD" reaction to them.
I will repeat, I am not defending Karl. His shit with polyamory is fucking disgusting, and most people stop being Satanists after their 14th birthday.
The history of the Second Amendment within the State of Arizona is quite interesting, with many of Arizona's firearm freedoms being quite new in comparison to a state like Alaska or Montana, with Tombstone being the earliest example of gun control in the old west. The closest thing to a state receiving this much in pro-firearm legislation is probably Iowa's recent acquisition of constitutional carry. Why do I throw in these recent and old, historic, examples? I use these examples as Arizona, for all its citizens' bragging only received constitutional carry in 2010 through the efforts of lobbyists from the Arizona Citizens Defense League(AZCDL). Constitutional carry is not a new phenomenon, however it did start the trend toward other states adopting similar measures during the Obama administration.
Okay. Fuck my life, I need a cigarette.
Anyone who has spent a year alongside the Arizona firearms community, like many others will notice a lot of quirks and commonalities with its firearm community and many others like it. I'm not really sure how to break down its different subsections, so I'll go down the list of groups that I have personally dealt with and have heard of different types of burnt out activists dealing with.
Neo Conservatives/Fudds/Boomers/Your "Thin Blue Line"/"Back the Blue" types:
Why do I put all these in the same category? Because, most of the time(with certain exceptions) many of these folks share the same view.
"The police can do no wrong, all cops are honest, and that investigating forces will always honestly never take the side of officer."
I don't write this with any type of "ACAB" mindset at all.
There are good shootings.
There are bad shootings.
Just like good people who put on a uniform, there folks who do the Rust Cohle thing and get a discount off drugs with their badge. Many of my issues stem from law enforcement using their powers to confiscate firearms from honest, hard working people. Within this spectrum, the general shared sentiment is "If the cops are taking your guns, just go through the court system and have them take care of it!" This, coming from people who have never dealt with the nightmare of pretrial, trial, and legal proceedings as a whole.
One of my friends was investigated under a red flag protocol in California where two deputies from his county tore apart his room when he was 14(I can't seem to find the article but it should be somewhere in Truth About Guns or Ammoland), and now he's an emotional, paranoid wreck of a person that knows how to be polite, but is very wary of law enforcement. I have to talk him off a ledge every so often but he's one of the most genuine people I know. You'll probably find it easier than I will.
The same friend was called a darkie after someone asked him: "Aren't most gamers 30-something year olds that live in their parents' basements and don't go outside?"
He shot back with, "Is every black man that walks into a convenience store a felon looking to rob the place?"
That soapbox aside, many of these folks will adopt insanely authoritarian ideals with the turn of a hat if it means shredding the constitution and using it as toilet paper:
These are just a couple examples, but these people have a cognitive dissonance about them. On one hand, they want to get people into firearms, but they also manage to push them away by saying things like the above mentioned. Both of those screenshots are from the Arizona Citizens Defense League normiebook page.
The main issue with the groups that are meant to "promote freedom" is that they'll ban any real forms of dissenting opinions in favor of more conservative to semi libertarian opinions at least within the observable sphere that is the Arizona firearm community. You would think that folks in these groups would direct people to objectively good options for things such as concealed carry, carrying with a round in the chamber(but muh Israeli carry), and dressing like a normal human being, but it ends up becoming a hug box for old people who don't know shit about shit.
Within the youth sphere of this community, you'll also see many of the "back the blue" types, mainly out of ASU(I'm not sure of UofA's groups are the same way) that are more interested in trying to get themselves political points so they can run as some Republican front running candidate and will often times fuck over people who genuinely carry about the firearm community. The best example I have of this is a college age activist being shouted down after the mayor of Phoenix banned "gatherings of 12 people or more" during the height of the lockdown saying, "Welp there goes every Mexican family get together for the next few months." He made this joke despite having grown up in South Phoenix and also being Mexican.
He was essentially disowned from the conservative community, and was essentially shunned out of their functions. While that's all fine and dandy, when the message you put on consists of:
and
You have some genuinely serious image issues to fix. The community constantly pushes away people who want to increase their messaging capabilities through social media, but many of these groups only do their advertising on the counter of gun shops and gun shows, many of these patrons being older folks. If they don't fix their shit soon, there won't be any activists within their ranks to help the Arizona firearm community. Most people who stick it out with this group for longer than a year are easily burned out and have probably heard it all.
Tl;dr: Political aspirations, boomers being old and "Fuck you got mine", and treating the constitution like a piece of toilet paper when it's convenient to you is going to be the slow death of the Arizona firearm community.
Libertarians:
The libertarians are an interesting bunch. They really don't do much, but they are pretty vocal and do piggy back off the aforementioned above group. They will often times go against the pro police sentiment of the above, but in general are fairly impotent. I'm not saying that their efforts are ineffective, their networking and messaging is good. They just don't have the kind of political pull or power to really do anything meaningful. You can normally spot the libertarian types at 2A rallies wearing Hawaiian shirts and carrying around the pride flags with ARs on them. By comparison as it relates to the firearm community, their work is fairly innocuous.
Picture taken from a 2A rally in 2020.
Left Wing Gun Owners(The White Girls of the Left/"I'm not like other girls.")
As the political polarization continued, left wing groups in Arizona felt the need to begin arming up as a reaction to "right wing fascism" in Arizona. With the shadow of Charlottesville looming in the heads of many(with 1/6 not exactly being reported honestly adding fuel to the fire), Confederate monuments began to be defaced.
Arizona Confederate Monument Defaced, Circa 2019
Prior to this, many of your "John Brown Gun Club" types began to take hold in the minds of the first group. Especially after this video came out.
I don't even know what to fucking think of this outside of being plain and simply disappointed. To those on the outside looking in, they're just a massive joke. To those in the first category looking in, it's literally a bunch of terrorists out here about to commit 9/11: The Sequel. The reason I call the left wing gun owners the "white girls of the left" is because while they say things like, "I'm not like other liberals" they'd gladly trade in their shiny new Glock 19 Gen 5 if it meant the security of trans rights in Arizona. Also, I sadly cannot prove this as many of the posts related to it are basically gone and left wing gun owners in Arizona are stigmatized to the point of being pushed underground.
Now, where does Karl fit into all of this?
Karl, in my opinion is an outright reaction to the first group of people. The elderly folks in the first group tend to be toxic, push people away for the sole crime of trying to get into guns through media. Karl, while his methods may be well meaning by trying to get people into firearm ownership through "people" like TacticoolGirlfriend and Armed Equality, forgets that these people have to hold up their end of the public relations department too and not shit metaphorically shit on the floor(Armed Equality boycotted Tampax for instance for not being trans inclusive with their tampons.) Karl fits into this by being an angry reaction to the boomer conservative tide but only manages to be a "FUCK YOU DAD" reaction to them.
I will repeat, I am not defending Karl. His shit with polyamory is fucking disgusting, and most people stop being Satanists after their 14th birthday.
Tl;Dr Political polarization in Arizona is going to be the death of firearm rights in this state as the older activists die off and gun owners here refuse to choose their battles in a proper manner.
Fuck, now I'm really depressed.
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Sounds similar to my neck of the woods but with one exception; the hunters. Hunting is massive in my state, kids go on their first hunts at 10 or sometimes younger and it really curbs the radical leftist thing.
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I'm not sure what else I could add, I could talk about the Arizona Citizens Defense League and their generally poor leadership style, but that's not interesting by comparison.
The other side of that coin is the kid who goes hunting and thinks they know a thing or two about guns but also supports "common sense gun restrictions" while saying things like "The AR in AR-15 stands for Assault Rifle."
Not trying to sound like a doomer and if I do, please call me out.
Edit- I really hope the post I made was good and explained everything concisely.
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welcome to the twilight zone
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I just don't see that with young guys around here, I honestly see more of the opposite with the Punisher skulls and the Gadsen Flags everywhere. The folks that spread the Fuddlore and call for common sense shit around here tend to be the older guys, at least for people who actually own and spend time with guns.
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the few i've met i usually just agree and ask if they'd like to help me push for common sense speech or religion restriction too, or that sometimes it's okay to skip due process for people. most of them see the point i'm making very quickly, and it's usually the true believers that say something like "but that's different!" and i ask how so and get some pretty interesting responses.
also don't discount how appealing wearing goth stuff is for someone that's a poser - a Gadsen or Punisher shirt, or sheepdog quip or come and take it sticker are just "clothes" of someone trying to belong to a group with a culture they like. it's not a conclusive marker for an ally, and often it's just a neat logo or something. a lot of of the less politically involved people are simply passive and will accept whatever lot in life they are handed and other than grumble about it, are unwilling to actually fight for anything.
these people are not allies, they are fodder for recruitment by the zealous because they're willingly low information and want to keep it that way, because otherwise they'd have to take some responsibility and think harder about their life choices and accept the consequences of their decisions vs "it's out of my hands and i didn't choose this, i just have to put up with it". not too many people are willing to do that - they're happy existing, eating, being entertained, and participate more strongly in socially acceptable vices like drinking or sports than something more politically charged.
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Never underestimate either the human need to fit in or the desperate urge to accessorize. Merchandise works terribly well.
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Rusmilitary has received AK12 mags as well as AK12 mags modified for 5.56 if you've been seeking them:
5.45mm AK-74 7.62mm AK-47 7.62X54 SVD magazines
AK-74 AK-47 SVD bakelite plum magazines
www.rusmilitary.com
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Too bad we can't get their deactivated guns. With a parts kit you could have a real deal AK in an afternoon.
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There are plenty of Russians sneaking out AK12 parts kits. Go on /akg/ on 4chan for a lead. Some vendors are so brazen they have websites to sell their wares. Russia has this weird thing where they sell inert guns that are made with real parts. (Russian laws consider the barrel the controlled item so it's just a rod, but barrels can be crafted in the US with some ease). I've heard of Russians using saws to cut their receivers for US sales (technically a no go by ATF (Nigger) standards, but the ATF does not ask for photos of the parts used in making a gun for personal use, so this is a hard point for law enforcement to procedure offenders as well as owning the portion of a cut receiver is not enough to charge someone with possession, perhaps a lawfag, not a reddit nigger repeating other reddit nigger speak but an actual lawfag can weigh in). The reason why saw cut receivers are valued over torch cut receivers is they are far easier to mend back together. There are US producers of AK12 receiver flats as well, the harder parts to come across are the trunnion, fire control group, piston, stock, handguard and gastube/block and muzzle break, which is why you need to get these parts from Russian sources. I'm really holding out hope some Russians start smuggling in AN94s as I always loved that gun since playing STALKER.
Edit: A discord buddy says these links aren't scams and have successfully sent in kits
Parts kit for AK12 | rusgunmaster
Muzzle BrakeGas blockGas tubeHandguard setRear sight blockRear sight 1000MRear sight springPlastic handleHandle bolt and nutTop CoverFolding butt stockButt stock pin 5.5mm.Rear folding trunnion 5.5mm.Butt stock retainer (spring, retainer, pin)Butt stock catch (spring, catch, pin)Recoil...
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Kalashnikov parts kit
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That's cool and all but can you keep the gun talk in the gun thread?
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My dumb ass thought this was the gunthread with the added bonus of archiving the dumbshit Karl the cuck does. Sorry for my maleficence.
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Don’t feel bad. Other guy is being autistic
Anyways, saw in my email today a backer update on the Chinese pistol book. Ian stated it’s taking longer than expected because they were going to print it in China, but the communists wanted to censor the maps. He’s not okay with that but couldn’t find another publisher able to do the book so it’s back to being printed in China and he’s going to have the maps printed separately and sent with the book. Seemed understandably upset by how that went. Will try to get the video here later
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Fucking Chinks. I'm surprised Pakistan, India or Vietnam hasn't merged as an alternative for cheap book publishing. Pretty interesting the country that has no problems building factories dedicated to manufacturing rubber fists for faggots to sodomize themselves with can't print a Chinese map that isn't sucking the tiny balls of Mao and his faggot commie state.
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He stated that he looked at printers from the US to all of SE Asia and it was either that none had enough paper due to COVID or did have the equipment to print the book as promised and he’s not willing to sacrifice the quality