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UVB-76 said:
look at who showed up.
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Navyman is essentially a /k/ tripfag but with a moderately successful youtube channel
DocAwe said:
Last rumor I heard Daniel Defense (I think) bought the design and might restart production.
That was a few years ago now.
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Daniel Defense does indeed own the patent on the design, they sent out an email gauging interested in a rebranded version sometime in August of 2020, SHOT 2022 anyone? It would be cool.
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Shaka Brah said:
Ian can't help himself when it comes to wonky guns. I remember feeling the same way when he reviewed that other handgun where the company went out of business a year later.
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I notice. Though I think these people may have more money and experience, and probably a stronger product (it does seem like it would be an excellent racegun).

Not that these kinds of YouTube mud tests are particularly scientific or anything, or that they have to tell you all that much, but I'd be willing to see him being less generous to the gun, put it through another mud test or two, with different kinds of mud, put it though some sand tests, put it through a test where it's encased in ice and see how well it handles after having to be smashed out and the steel contracting from the long cold.
He has an opportunity to get creative here, with an expensive meme pistol, and doing cruel shit to it that nobody else would dare to due to cost. I don't really expect it to fly with passing colors, but it's also not a service pistol so handling that shit wouldn't really be that necessary.

Don't go easy on it.
 
HumptiDouji said:
I notice. Though I think these people may have more money and experience, and probably a stronger product (it does seem like it would be an excellent racegun).

Not that these kinds of YouTube mud tests are particularly scientific or anything, or that they have to tell you all that much, but I'd be willing to see him being less generous to the gun, put it through another mud test or two, with different kinds of mud, put it though some sand tests, put it through a test where it's encased in ice and see how well it handles after having to be smashed out and the steel contracting from the long cold.
He has an opportunity to get creative here, with an expensive meme pistol, and doing cruel shit to it that nobody else would dare to due to cost. I don't really expect it to fly with passing colors, but it's also not a service pistol so handling that shit wouldn't really be that necessary.

Don't go easy on it.
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I think it being a racegun is why it's less likely to succeed. People don't buy volume for competitions and they also hate changing horses. The amount of people who swear by something they really love (for example Ruger .22 pistols/rifles in their market) is too high to break into the market unless your creation is seriously outstanding.

Basically the boomers who will pay $$$ for a competition handgun are boomers who would stay with something familiar even if it wasn't extracting all the performance-for-dollar compared to a more efficient system.
 
AGPinochet said:
Navyman is essentially a /k/ tripfag but with a moderately successful youtube channel

Daniel Defense does indeed own the patent on the design, they sent out an email gauging interested in a rebranded version sometime in August of 2020, SHOT 2022 anyone? It would be cool.
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I was pretty sure but couldn't be arsed to check.
I kind hope they do, I would be very much interested, especially if they do the aluminum framed version that Hudson wanted to do as a follow up.
 
UVB-76 said:
Garand Thumb posted a video on recce rifle setups
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There's actually a potentially very vital tip in this video, weapon light lens covers to prevent them reflecting any light shined upon them in a scenario in which someone is shining a light weapon mounted or otherwise at your current position whether you are engaging them or not and thus giving away your position assuming it hasn't been given away by noise, visual detection or muzzle flash.
Basically, you might want to cover your WML lenses when not in use when it's dark out if you plan to use the guns they're attached to for serious purposes, or airsoft.
GT gives an example of a training exercise in which a buddy of his spotted an enemy element at 600 meters by doing just that.
 
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HumptiDouji said:
He has an opportunity to get creative here, with an expensive meme pistol, and doing cruel shit to it that nobody else would dare to due to cost. I don't really expect it to fly with passing colors, but it's also not a service pistol so handling that shit wouldn't really be that necessary.

Don't go easy on it.
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Where's MattV when you need him?
 
AGPinochet said:
Daniel Defense does indeed own the patent on the design, they sent out an email gauging interested in a rebranded version sometime in August of 2020, SHOT 2022 anyone? It would be cool.
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Even if they don't go all-out with the H9, if they can provide spare parts and servicing for the ones already in the wild that would be nice already. Nothing worse than paying pretty penny for a new piece of gear, only for the damn thing to spend eternity in the safe because you can't risk breaking something you can't replace.
 
HumptiDouji said:
I notice. Though I think these people may have more money and experience, and probably a stronger product (it does seem like it would be an excellent racegun).

Not that these kinds of YouTube mud tests are particularly scientific or anything, or that they have to tell you all that much, but I'd be willing to see him being less generous to the gun, put it through another mud test or two, with different kinds of mud, put it though some sand tests, put it through a test where it's encased in ice and see how well it handles after having to be smashed out and the steel contracting from the long cold.
He has an opportunity to get creative here, with an expensive meme pistol, and doing cruel shit to it that nobody else would dare to due to cost. I don't really expect it to fly with passing colors, but it's also not a service pistol so handling that shit wouldn't really be that necessary.

Don't go easy on it.
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With the design there's not much to do. It's like torture-testing a match M1A and starting by picking it up by the handguard - it's toast by design and after it's already dead you just upset the manufacturer by unintentionally suggesting it resist adverse conditions when it's supposed to be a John-Wick-esque 3gun piece.
Don't get me wrong, though, I still really want to see it and it would overshadow the original mud tests. But it might just turn into a gimmick by the time he fishes it out of a lake and throws it in the dryer on tumble to see if it still works afterwards.
 
Shaka Brah said:
Basically the boomers who will pay $$$ for a competition handgun are boomers who would stay with something familiar even if it wasn't extracting all the performance-for-dollar compared to a more efficient system.
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True, you aren't gonna get a lot of old timers to move away from their deluxe 1911s or double-action revolvers with featherlight springs and sensitive primers, and those are some pretty fucking excellent raceguns in the right hands. However, I do think that this design is pretty clever for the purposes of being a racegun, I would be surprised if the Alien, or pistols inspired by it, won't be a common sight in competitive shooting sports by 2040 (depending on division).

AGPinochet said:
There's actually a potentially very vital tip in this video, weapon light lens covers to prevent them reflecting any light shined upon them in a scenario in which someone is shining a light weapon mounted or otherwise at your current position whether you are engaging them or not and thus giving away your position assuming it hasn't been given away by noise, visual detection or muzzle flash.
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Huh, I actually never thought of that, I'll have to keep that in mind.

Sleazy Car Salesman said:
Where's MattV when you need him?
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Right? He'd encase his Glock in Jell-O, wrap it in rubber bands, or coat it in sexlube, etc, doing all kinds of retarded shit to his guns to see how well they'd run after the most asinine of abuse and bad conditions. I miss that lil' nigga like you wouldn't believe.

WhoBusTank69 said:
With the design there's not much to do. It's like torture-testing a match M1A and starting by picking it up by the handguard - it's toast by design and after it's already dead you just upset the manufacturer by unintentionally suggesting it resist adverse conditions when it's supposed to be a John-Wick-esque 3gun piece.
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Being entirely honest here, part of why I want to see him do that kind of shit is because I want it to shut up clueless people who think it's some sort of ultimate pistol just because it has low bore axis and a good sight mount.
 
HumptiDouji said:
Right? He'd encase his Glock in Jell-O, wrap it in rubber bands, or coat it in sexlube, etc, doing all kinds of retarded shit to his guns to see how well they'd run after the most asinine of abuse and bad conditions. I miss that lil' nigga like you wouldn't believe.
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Don't forget the time he deep fried it.
 
Corn Flakes said:
We didn't need a mud test to know that. The moment I saw those slots between the top strap and the slide, I knew that thing would take dirt about as well as Karl takes criticism.
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That was my first thought; until I saw one taken apart, and immedately noted there were three things that stood out in it's favor for the mud test, none of which are shared with any other race-guns or boutique pistols.

A. The hammer swings down, instead of up from a well (or within a tiny channel, i.e. strikers); and the fire-control group appeared simple, robust, and uncramped.

B. The thing is airtight like AK; it doesn't rely on super-tight tolerances to perform, and gunk looks like it has as many egress as ingress points. Which would be bad except for-

C. The gas delay system. It appears to literally blow shit clear of the hammer & slide once that first shot happens. I was positive the thing was going to lock up solid, as a HK P7 definitely would.

All I know is that it suddenly became a lot more interesting.
 
Pocket Dragoon said:
That was my first thought; until I saw one taken apart, and immedately noted there were three things that stood out in it's favor for the mud test, none of which are shared with any other race-guns or boutique pistols.

A. The hammer swings down, instead of up from a well (or within a tiny channel, i.e. strikers); and the fire-control group appeared simple, robust, and uncramped.

B. The thing is airtight like AK; it doesn't rely on super-tight tolerances to perform, and gunk looks like it has as many egress as ingress points. Which would be bad except for-

C. The gas delay system. It appears to literally blow shit clear of the hammer & slide once that first shot happens. I was positive the thing was going to lock up solid, as a HK P7 definitely would.

All I know is that it suddenly became a lot more interesting.
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Those are good points, but I think other people on the thread mentioned the most important thing about the test: that pistol is born and bread as a race gun, the mud test pushed it so far out of its design spec it essentially tells us nothing.

I get mud tests like that with combat rifles. Shit you are going to be going to the dirt and crawling around with. For a pistol, though? The most serious use case would be self-defense, and unless you're in this weird situation where you're on a rural backroad or a construction site in the rain you're just not likely to drop your gun into mud that glutinous. And if you do, you're not gonna have a foam insert in the barrel to keep the mud from going in, which rules out malfunctions caused by barrel blockages. For the vast majority of cases in an urban setting or home defense situation with a pistol, you're looking at puddles of muddy water (which I'm sure the Alien and most other pistols can handle just fine), possibly even running water if you drop it into a gutter in the rain, not that 1-1 plaster mixture Ian and Karl like using. That's why I always treat those mud tests as entertainment more than anything else.
 
Corn Flakes said:
Those are good points, but I think other people on the thread mentioned the most important thing about the test: that pistol is born and bread as a race gun, the mud test pushed it so far out of its design spec it essentially tells us nothing.
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It might be semantics, but I've never seen it as a "race" gun; the Alien weighs too much, and it's not tunable like one. Though the Laugo carries a race-gun price tag, it's not for the same reasons; namely a lack of NASA-tier tolerances, mission modules, and exotic materials.

For all it's looks, there's nothing really exotic in the Alien except in the execution; with the price tag being related more to production scale than target market, for what is essentially a functional technology demonstrator.

At least the company seems to have the experience to dodge a Hudson 9 outcome, and has already done so in large part. I just hope Laugo licenses the design, so I don't need to save up for as long.
 
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Pocket Dragoon said:
It might be semantics, but I've never seen it as a "race" gun; the Alien weighs too much, and it's not tunable like one. Though the Laugo carries a race-gun price tag, it's not for the same reasons; namely a lack of NASA-tier tolerances, mission modules, and exotic materials.

For all it's looks, there's nothing really exotic in the Alien except in the execution; with the price tag being related more to production scale than target market, for what is essentially a functional technology demonstrator.
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That's fair. How about we meet in the middle and call it a range toy? It's new, it's expensive, it's got novelty, it's rare, and according to Ian at least it's fun to shoot. Those are all characteristics I usually attribute to range toys.

All that said, I would like to see what a competitive shooter could do with it if given enough time to get used to the gun. If that bore axis and fixed top strap really are as big a deal as they're claiming them to be, it should shave a second or two off a good shooter's average par time on any given competitive stage.
 
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