General GunTuber thread

[Corn Flakes]

This entire thing is someone learning the very hard way to not shoot ammo of unclear origin.

That's the real story here, yeah. Never fire ammo of questionable provenance.

Even when you know the provenance, you have to know if it was stored properly. I've got a full box of 7.62x39 here that I found in my father's garage years back that I'm never going to use because I know it was stored in a damp place with lots of temperature fluctuations through the years. Not that I'd use that stuff in the first place. Those are some really rough-looking Wolf rounds, probably some of the first to be imported here.

Tbf, isn't this exactly what happened with Beretta 92s getting redesigned because of a few anecdotal examples of slides launching back into SEALs' faces?

Yes, but that was the slide flying off with normal, commercial or milspec loads. Not a specialized, possibly counterfeit, and very likely degraded high-pressure ammo that's completely out of spec. The former definitely requires a redesign, the latter requires the shooter to have enough common sense to not load it.

 

[likeacrackado]

Part 2 of Garand Thumbs PSAK74 saga

Oh wow PSA is so good they fixed a gun for a massive influencer. A gun that only failed because of their dogshit QC and corner cutting.

Side note: If I see another YouTube comment defending PSA by saying "their mission is to get guns into the hands of everyday Americans" I'm going to get MATI.

 

[White Devil]

Side note: If I see another YouTube comment defending PSA by saying "their mission is to get guns into the hands of everyday Americans" I'm going to get MATI.

That's been their marketing BS for so long now. "A gun in every American's hand, no matter how likely it is to blow said hand off."

 

[Archie_Kimkicker]

Part 2 of Garand Thumbs PSAK74 saga
https://youtube.com/watch?v=hRqtqzxtzkgOh wow PSA is so good they fixed a gun for a massive influencer. A gun that only failed because of their dogshit QC and corner cutting.

Side note: If I see another YouTube comment defending PSA by saying "their mission is to get guns into the hands of everyday Americans" I'm going to get MATI.

I do get somewhat annoyed by GT's false modesty, his insinuation that PSA would just ignore a "nobody" like him. Motherfucker, you are a textbook gunfluencer with millions of memelords who tune in each week to look at guns and setups they hope will make them cool, which would seem to be a sizable chunk of PSA's market of late.

 

[likeacrackado]

I do get somewhat annoyed by GT's false modesty, his insinuation that PSA would just ignore a "nobody" like him. Motherfucker, you are a textbook gunfluencer with millions of memelords who tune in each week to look at guns and setups they hope will make them cool, which would seem to be a sizable chunk of PSA's market of late.

I've watched a lot of his videos since the original psak74 video. I dont think theres a single one where he runs interference for the company as much as this. Acting like PSA didn't have to do anything and that they "didn't owe me anything" along with complaining about people trashing PSA, telling the community to be better(aka not call out repeated mistakes when we see them).

It's a weird feigning of ignorance for him to pretend that the average person would get the level of service from PSA that he has and that the failure in the first video wouldn't cause people to think twice about buying one.

 

[UVB-76]

Yes, but that was the slide flying off with normal, commercial or milspec loads. Not a specialized, possibly counterfeit, and very likely degraded high-pressure ammo that's completely out of spec. The former definitely requires a redesign, the latter requires the shooter to have enough common sense to not load it.

Still, the 92FS introduced the enlarged hammer pin which captures the rear of the slide in case it does break.
From an engineering standpoint, having a failsafe is preferable. If I was putting out a product I would be ashamed to have to come out and explain that I got scammed by my steel supplier or I had to fire Bubba because he didn't heat treat the parts correctly and now someone is disfigured as a result. Even if my customers are flat out retarded, get hurt due to using Uncle Joe's Pissin' Hot Gun Show Reloads and I trust half the internet is going to understand that it was their damned fault - the other half is going to think my guns are the problem.
To make a living one has to sell to retards too.

 

[Corn Flakes]

Still, the 92FS introduced the enlarged hammer pin which captures the rear of the slide in case it does break.
From an engineering standpoint, having a failsafe is preferable. If I was putting out a product I would be ashamed to have to come out and explain that I got scammed by my steel supplier or I had to fire Bubba because he didn't heat treat the parts correctly and now someone is disfigured as a result. Even if my customers are flat out retarded, get hurt due to using Uncle Joe's Pissin' Hot Gun Show Reloads and I trust half the internet is going to understand that it was their damned fault - the other half is going to think my guns are the problem.
To make a living one has to sell to retards too.

There is such a thing as a limit to the liability a company may have for these things. Your argument is like telling Ford to redesign the F-250 to be "safer" because some moron crashed theirs going at 120mph in the rain and then died. There is such a thing as operator error, and with something that operates on something provided by the user (read: ammunition), if the user is too far beyond spec it's on them.

Products have to be used within the manufacturers' recommended parameters, and book-ending said parameters are safety margins. Which are pretty large for guns to begin with. The RN-50 is chambered for .50 BMG, which has a maximum pressure spec of ~60,000 psi. Accounting for manufacturing variance, anything hotter than 10% of that maximum pressure spec stops being .50 BMG and becomes something else no matter what's stamped on the case or printed on the box. It's either a degraded round, a counterfeit one, or an unsafe handload. But you can't say you just "loaded a .50 BMG and the gun blew up". And Scott, who would have a great veiled interest in drumming this up as the RN-50 being inherently unsafe if he wanted to sue Mark Serbu's pants off, seems to understand that as well as he tried to reproduce what went wrong.

Meanwhile, everybody likes talking about how the AR-15 is inherently safe, but even that action will turn into a grenade if you load it with 150,000 psi 5.56 because you're operating it far beyond the tolerances of the gun and the cartridge. At some point you just have to ignore the retards on the internet. I'm sure more than a few morons out there have detonated their Mini-14s and been injured loading them with Uncle Joe's Pissin' Hot Gun Show Reloads, but we don't hear about it because they weren't "influencers" recording shit for youtube at the time.

 

[UVB-76]

There is such a thing as a limit to the liability a company may have for these things. Your argument is like telling Ford to redesign the F-250 to be "safer" because some moron crashed theirs going at 120mph in the rain and then died. There is such a thing as operator error, and with something that operates on something provided by the user (read: ammunition), if the user is too far beyond spec it's on them.

A car going 120 mph and crashing is going to look like it was driven at 120mph. A gun that blows up and ends up seriously injuring a guy gets pictures taken of it and ends up on the internet, half will say it was a squib/reload and the other half will say the gun is a piece of shit.
I just think failure analysis is neat.

 

[Mikoyan]

A car going 120 mph and crashing is going to look like it was driven at 120mph. A gun that blows up and ends up seriously injuring a guy gets pictures taken of it and ends up on the internet, half will say it was a squib/reload and the other half will say the gun is a piece of shit.
I just think failure analysis is neat.

Yeah. You could load a stick of dynamite in a Mauser and people would say "Yeah those things are notoriously weak".

 

[wopirish]

I was looking up old posts on the mauser Geha shotguns, there were people complaining about the bolt not being secured well enough.

I'd put good money they were firing hot magnum self loads out of the geha. And viola, you get guns disassembling themselves post haste.

 

[Smoke Manmuscle]

Which Scott couldn't even properly replicate having made a bullshit round with three times the normal operating pressure. The safety margins may be thinner compared to most .50s, but if you buy normal commercial ammo, or if you're a handloader who isn't special needs, the rifle won't endure even close to even a 50% increase in pressure, not to talk about the +300% of the accident.

This entire thing is someone learning the very hard

The fact that the ears didn’t shear this time makes me agree that the accident had an even spicier round. SAAMI spec for a proof round is 82000PSI. The fact that the threads are rated for roughly 2.2 times the expected load based on my available information is right in line with standard engineering practices. At this point I don’t fault Serbu’s design.

 

[WhoBusTank69]

Yeah. You could load a stick of dynamite in a Mauser and people would say "Yeah those things are notoriously weak".

ACKSHUALLY

Mauser actions, specifically rebarreled German examples (and even moreso those meant for safari usage in Africa), are notorious for receiver stretching to the point where gunsmiths spread that exact talk.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

Part 2 of Garand Thumbs PSAK74 saga
https://youtube.com/watch?v=hRqtqzxtzkgOh wow PSA is so good they fixed a gun for a massive influencer. A gun that only failed because of their dogshit QC and corner cutting.

Side note: If I see another YouTube comment defending PSA by saying "their mission is to get guns into the hands of everyday Americans" I'm going to get MATI.

Earlier in the thread I referred to them as the HiPoint of the AR world for a reason: spotty QC, only an okayish at best gun, unbeatable warranty, decent customer support personnel.

 

[Lupo Akane]

It's kind of funny that Herrera in one of his gun memes was talking crap about Big Daddy Unlimited for the stupid crap they do and even said he's going to call them out on it when they do. Though shuts the hell up when it comes to Black Rifle Coffee just to use there range lol.

 

[MrJokerRager]

Part 2 of Garand Thumbs PSAK74 saga
https://youtube.com/watch?v=hRqtqzxtzkgOh wow PSA is so good they fixed a gun for a massive influencer. A gun that only failed because of their dogshit QC and corner cutting.

Side note: If I see another YouTube comment defending PSA by saying "their mission is to get guns into the hands of everyday Americans" I'm going to get MATI.

What is the difference between PSA branded, Brownells branded and Anderson branded at this point.

On a side note, I should have probably saved up for an Aero upper that is on sale along with their accessories.

Plus folks on calguns are happy that Kalashnikov USA will be selling the 103 with the cuckfin in California. But it has a thumbrest.

 

[likeacrackado]

What is the difference between PSA branded, Brownells branded and Anderson branded at this point.

As far as I know PSA makes most of their parts in house for the AKs or they contract them out specifically for their guns. Brownells doesn't make any gun parts in house and rely on companies like PWS in the case of the BRN180 to make most of the bits that can't be sourced from the piles of interchangeable AR parts. I know less about Anderson other than that the QC they do do on their parts is shit. Doesn't keep some of their stuff like stripped lowers from being fine some of the time.

It can be very confusing as to where the manufacturer xyz company and the brand xyz company overlap. Much of this is on purpose especially for companies that rely on hype and brand rep to make up for the wide gap between sum of the parts and the price of the whole *cough* solgw *cough*

 

[HumptiDouji]

I'd put good money they were firing hot magnum self loads out of the geha. And viola, you get guns disassembling themselves post haste.

If their chambers aren't long enough, there can be problems with the expanding crimp on modern shotgun shells also.

Mauser actions, specifically rebarreled German examples (and even moreso those meant for safari usage in Africa), are notorious for receiver stretching to the point where gunsmiths spread that exact talk.

No kidding, but these receivers were never intended for shooting ridiculous African Big Game cartridges like those, they were for normal infantry rifle cartridges, and all the safety features were to ensure that even a completely shitty cartridge that ruptures doesn't detonate the gun and kill or blind the soldier for life.

It's like how some .40 S&W pistols were basically just factory caliber conversions of existing 9mm Luger pistols, that can function very well, but the gun is not going to be nearly as long lived.

 

[Archie_Kimkicker]

If their chambers aren't long enough, there can be problems with the expanding crimp on modern shotgun shells also.


No kidding, but these receivers were never intended for shooting ridiculous African Big Game cartridges like those, they were for normal infantry rifle cartridges, and all the safety features were to ensure that even a completely shitty cartridge that ruptures doesn't detonate the gun and kill or blind the soldier for life.

It's like how some .40 S&W pistols were basically just factory caliber conversions of existing 9mm Luger pistols, that can function very well, but the gun is not going to be nearly as long lived.

Speaking of .40 S&W....when was the last time we had a guntuber have a good spergfit for or against it? It's a cartridge that still attracts lots of hard opinions from people who have either never shot it OR compulsively buy it in bulk to the point of inflating local ammo prices even in the best of times.

 

[WhoBusTank69]

Speaking of .40 S&W....when was the last time we had a guntuber have a good spergfit for or against it? It's a cartridge that still attracts lots of hard opinions from people who have either never shot it OR compulsively buy it in bulk to the point of inflating local ammo prices even in the best of times.

Last I can personally remember was the trend of treating it as a centrist/fencesitter in the caliber war and becoming very passionate about it.

These days I just notice people saying it's a dead caliber, which it's apparently been for roughly 25 consecutive years since the bitching began.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

These days I just notice people saying it's a dead caliber, which it's apparently been for roughly 25 consecutive years since the bitching began.

40 is a strange one though because it never dies, it just goes through periods of boom and bust, I'm thinking that given another five years it'll get popular again.

In my neck of the woods at least 40 goes through a pretty consistent ten to fifteen year cycle where the ammo gets cheap since no one buys it, then people who want a double stack pistol that's more powerful than a nine will buy up all the forty ammo and guns for a bit since we have a lot of wolves and blackbears and the occasional moose, but most people around here don't want to pay for 10mm auto. Then 40 ammo starts to get expensive again since everyone's buying it for the first time in years and people realize that it really isn't that much better than 9mm and they start thinking that the double stack is kinda silly for what they're using it for and so the 45acp will do, so then they all try to sell their Forties but no one's buying which drives the demand and the price back down for a few years until the cycle starts over.

Recently however I've noticed more and more people buying 10mm and double stack 45s however, so we'll see what happens this time, locally we are currently in the bottom of the spiral where no one owns 40 and the people who do can't even sell them, but the ammo hasn't become cheap or available yet so we'll see what happens.