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Fools Idol said:
You're not even wrong but I'd like to see you guys incorporate real world scenarios like an ambush or IMT's into your training regime. There is also a lack of small unit tactics on display, I know you guys have done various courses but this type of stuff isn't real you can learn in a week or whatever.

I know that you're hamstrung by safety concerns, the practicalities of running a competition and the law but if your goal is soldiering then you're off the mark. It's funny but being a soldier is as much about shitting in a MRE bag next to your mate as it is about shooting people.

At the end of the day we're all just talking shit.
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Matches can’t test tactics or teach them. They’re gun handling and marksmanship tests with varying levels of difficulty added: be that physical, mental, and/or environmental.

Competition is a good place to develop gun handling and marksmanship skills under various kinds of stress. It is not equivalent to combat. It is nonetheless still a level of stress where things go wrong and people make mistakes and can learn from them.

Team stuff is unfortunately almost impossible to do in a way that doesn’t completely defeat the purpose or is too dangerous for the people without specific training showing up.

White Devil said:
How to say you've never been shot at without saying you've never been shot at.
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I haven’t been. People I know who have still believe competition is valuable. SF units bring top tier competitors in to teach them gun handling and marksmanship. Agency instructors are also often competitors.

These are the people I interact with at matches weekly and even more so at national level events.
 
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CyrusHowler said:
I was worried Ian would get cucked in the video like he did with the Azov book so I didn’t watch it.
So you’re saying Ian got super based in this video?
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I think this is a problem with Ian, he travels to countries like Switzerland, South Africa, Finland etc, associates with a few like minded people and then draws conclusions about those wider societies based on them.

Finland in particular could ban gun ownership tomorrow, their prime minister Sanna Marin is a 35 year old millenial and she would smelt every firearm in the country in the morning including those belonginh to the military, if she thought it would ger her a write up in Vogue. Gun ownership in Finland is no where near as widespread as Ian and Karl imply from their videos, it's more like Australia with an extremely urban population, who fancy themselves as more woke than the Scandanavians.

Ian is a smart guy, but sometimes I really wonder about him.
 
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Corn Flakes said:
Let's be honest here, the guy is more interested in guns than he is in politics. He takes a lot of things said to him at face value.
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Unfortunately politics has infected everything now.


And I still can't find an article about those supposed cops that dropped mags and got shot. It's what an old Sgt told me a few years ago so it's 50/50 bullshit or true, it can be hard to tell sometimes considering everywhere has different training standards.
 
White Devil said:
Unfortunately politics has infected everything now.


And I still can't find an article about those supposed cops that dropped mags and got shot. It's what an old Sgt told me a few years ago so it's 50/50 bullshit or true, it can be hard to tell sometimes considering everywhere has different training standards.
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I'd believe it if they learned from some cringe mallcop like that black dude who teaches knife fighting. There are so many fake pros out there that this story is more believable than not even if it might be fake.
 
Shaka Brah said:
I'd believe it if they learned from some cringe mallcop like that black dude who teaches knife fighting. There are so many fake pros out there that this story is more believable than not even if it might be fake.
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Given how lax most department training is for firearms it wouldn't surprise me if the story was true but the officers personally went to those classes rather than the department hired the trainers.
 
Shaka Brah said:
I'd believe it if they learned from some cringe mallcop like that black dude who teaches knife fighting. There are so many fake pros out there that this story is more believable than not even if it might be fake.
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Voda? I don't think he ever trained or claimed to train cops. He was literally a 68M iirc that tried to larp as a Green Beret to poor black people with a twist of Black supremacy nonsense. I wish he was still on youtube.
Sleazy Car Salesman said:
Given how lax most department training is for firearms it wouldn't surprise me if the story was true but the officers personally went to those classes rather than the department hired the trainers.
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Detroit Threat Management claims to have trained police officers and has "testimonials" on their website from them but I think they're fake, personally. Then again, it's Detroit so who fucking knows? But yeah, some departments are really high speed in their training and requalification, others are "Ok, so you made sure your glock doesn't have spider webs?". (That's a real and documented thing, someone in DC police had fucking cobwebs in their Glock somehow but this was also in the 90s.)
 
Shaka Brah said:
I'd believe it if they learned from some cringe mallcop like that black dude who teaches knife fighting. There are so many fake pros out there that this story is more believable than not even if it might be fake.
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No it sounds like a made up joke. Muscle memory for hitting R in video games and reloading in real life is completely different and anyone who has done both should know that. It is just as dumb as thinking you get actual combat practice from playing video games.

White Devil said:
Voda? I don't think he ever trained or claimed to train cops. He was literally a 68M iirc that tried to larp as a Green Beret to poor black people with a twist of Black supremacy nonsense. I wish he was still on youtube.
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He's thinking about Detroit Urban Survival, I think.
 
Shaka Brah said:
I'd believe it if they learned from some cringe mallcop like that black dude who teaches knife fighting. There are so many fake pros out there that this story is more believable than not even if it might be fake.
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There was a shootout in Houston I think last week? One of the cops has in his bodycam him dropping a full mag from his pistol and then moved to cover. He ran out of ammo and left cover to go get the mostly full mag he dropped.
 
WinchesterPremium said:
No it sounds like a made up joke. Muscle memory for hitting R in video games and reloading in real life is completely different and anyone who has done both should know that. It is just as dumb as thinking you get actual combat practice from playing video games.
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U.S. Military have been dealing with this since the early 90ies and it had gamers from the late 70ies/early 80ies. Although the Pong and Atari to SNES and Genesis generation never been that retarded.
 
Uranus Pink said:
U.S. Military have been dealing with this since the early 90ies and it had gamers from the late 70ies/early 80ies. Although the Pong and Atari to SNES and Genesis generation never been that retarded.
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Boomershooters also typically didn't have reloading as a game mechanic except for very specific examples (the Super Shotgun from Doom comes to mind immediately).
 
SinistralRifleman said:
And if you can’t handle the stress of the clock in public [...] I don’t know how you’d expect to do well in combat.
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I do not like your attempt at comparing stress over scores to immediate fear of death, that's a massive false equivalency.

SinistralRifleman said:
Competition is a good place to develop gun handling and marksmanship skills under various kinds of stress. It is not equivalent to combat. It is nonetheless still a level of stress where things go wrong and people make mistakes and can learn from them.
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It is a different kind of stress, something more closer to conditioning when considering a buzzer as a signal with a list of predetermined steps and actions to be taken. I can see it replacing adaptation with habit and routine and tainting repertoire. A shoot house is more authentic for obvious reasons but still reinforces bad habits and breeds assumption based upon experiences of those who construct it.

This is silly, you are silly. The discussion started because of the off-hand remark that competition shooters would do well in combat. We do not know that, and the closest comparison is a competition shooter being blown the fuck out at an airsoft match of all places.
 
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White Devil said:
How to say you've never been shot at without saying you've never been shot at.


It's easier if you have no bad habits to break, unlike gamer faggots who shoot two or three times, then drop a mag out of sheer habit. There was one department that had a gamer train their officers and they developed stupid habits like that, I'm trying to remember which one... Anyway because dipshit thought he was an actual trainer despite no combat or LE experience, he got a few officers shot because they were trained to fire X amount of times, drop their mags, and reload. A shoot out while on the job is one thing, but can you imagine going into actual combat like that?
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I would love to get all the racegunners together give them sesim rounds and let them run through clearing a village while a bunch of combat vets play opfor. The lols would be hilarious.
 
Sleazy Car Salesman said:
Boomershooters also typically didn't have reloading as a game mechanic except for very specific examples (the Super Shotgun from Doom comes to mind immediately).
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80ies arcade shooters had started the reloading as a major game mechanic.
Though it was the normies getting their own home computers and Wolfenstein 3D coming out was where the FPS tardism really started. Doom just made the tardism a permanent affliction.
 
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