General GunTuber thread

[Antarctica]

3/5 medium effort. magazine well should look like a vagina.

Karl would prefer the Penis..

 

[Puff]

KIAGF-15
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I kinda want to do this, but I do not wish to google "AR-15 dick grip .stl"
Also should have the fleshlight stock hypothesised by the ATF letter.

 

[Ghjkl63]

There’s a lot of things to learn from Rittenhouse, anything about the forward assist is much further down the list vs tactics, techniques, and procedures.

Had Rittenhouse used a better quality AR15, better magazines, and better ammunition his use of the Forward Assist very likely may not have been necessary. Had he used it more prior to this incident and done better maintenance it may not have been necessary.

Training for the firearm to be fired off the shoulder, held weakly, or fired from the supine position, would reveal if it can actually run under those conditions. Not all AR15s can.

Having watched most of the trial as it aired far more relevant lessons;
1) Showing up to an active conflict zone with only one person you know and trust is not a good idea.
2) leaving the private property you are guarding is is both tactically and legally unsound.
3) running around doing every “side quest” is tactically and legally unsound.
4) doing the same alone and unsupported is even more tactically unsound.
5) not having a clear leader of the security force lead to everyone there acting independently

All of the above lead to the situation where he was alone, unsupported, and targeted by hostile actors.

He did exercise better shoot/no-shoot decisions under stress and while having his bell rung than most cops would, so props for that.

He is very lucky he survived the situation, and he is also very fortunate he survived in court.

There are more things to consider from the incident and their preparation going into it, but these are the things I easily remember 6 months after watching the trial, the video evidence, and the testimony.

So if what you got out of the Rittenhouse case is that the forward assist saved his life, you’re missing the forest for the trees.

I dont think anything he did was that legally unsound considering he was acquitted and the prosecutor is now a laughing stock.

 

[Full Spectrum]

This is the inherent problem in having a dialogue with you and why your posts are painful to read. You’ll focus on on sentence and expound on it for paragraph upon paragraph. If you’re not an attorney you sure as hell act like one, as this is the way they conduct themselves on lines of questioning. A one sentence statement turns into dozens of questions.

Oh, c'mon now would you rather be talking about fetuses and pigs, magazines and vaginas, the tactical and civil considerations of Kyle Rittenhouse (and not add anything that hasn't already been said), and making a troll video about some "who asked" -tier shotgun and red dot video (the forefront of the modern arms dilemmas), or would you rather try and arrive at a better understanding of the AR-15?

I misremembered the type of magazine he was using. Although depending on the generation of PMAG it could be an issue.

Fair enough. The M&P Sport II comes with a gen 2 PMAG. What kind of generational issue could it be with a new magpul magazine and gun? Gen 1s and EMAGs are extremely rare these days and it's not like he has a euro magwell or m855a1 coupled with so many hundreds of tungsten tipped rounds feed ramp wear. He had only bought the rifle (and any other magazines) a few months prior, so it's not like they even had time to split down the seam if they were loaded 24/7.

Did Kyle testify to performing any cleaning or maintence on the rifle? I don’t remember him doing so. If he didn’t all the rifle would have had on it is factory lube/preservative which often doesn’t do much or cooks off. It’s also not uncommon for guns to become more reliable as parts wear into each other and interferences are minimized by wear.

Not that I recall. The thing was he had a factory clean and lubed rifle, shot 120-150 rounds through it and worst case never did anything other than that. I made a point in my second video to show exactly what state the rifle was given to Kyle by showing an unboxing video precisely to know how much lubrication we could have expected to have on his rifle in anticipation of this argument. Military AR-15s are expected to be put through much worse conditions than not having the best lube available or the most minimal friction coefficient environment. How much sand, carbon, or mud do you think was in his rifle? I don't think it had anything wrong with it besides the 120 rounds of carbon fouling and not having the most extreme heavy duty grade slip ewl 2000 crisco frogshit cumlube available. It doesn't seem like it would fall outside the envelope of what an issued rifle could face. While the newer phosphate carrier could have very likely had some higher degree of friction, certainly it wouldn't be a worse condition than being in a dusty desert, a muddy place, or some extreme arctic condition? His jam seems entirely within the scope of what any AR-15 could face within the context of general martial conditions.

We’ve already decided the next time we do complete WWSD rifles the forward assist will be a drop down menu option. I don’t care if anyone chooses it or not. Im tired of arguing about this bullshit.

I was never upset that the WWSD didn't have a forward assist on its own; it makes sense given that Stoner was opposed to it then in the 60's with the congressional hearings, in the 80's with the Stoner tapes, and in the 90's with the SR-25. Karl could have just ended it there and no one would give him shit over it. The thing is he thinks what Stoner thought about it, what is right, and what he thinks are all the same thing. It being a "slickside" upper and being limited in scope to what Stoner would do is good enough on that point at least. Karl routinely oversteps his justification beyond that which is wrong about its history, causality (of producing FTEs), and is largely ignorant of its functionality. When he and (and Ian to a lesser extent) speak to this further scope beyond Stoner's intent is where my issue lies and where they are giving out bad information that I am attempting to clear up. That's the problem with what Karl does, he oversteps the scope of the WWSD intent beyond making a rifle Stoner would and perhaps without even realizing it starts making concessions or preferential choices that suit him or a/his general audience's purposes at the cost of what Stoner would actually/did choose to do.

Training for the firearm to be fired off the shoulder, held weakly, or fired from the supine position, would reveal if it can actually run under those conditions. Not all AR15s can.

Funny enough not all WWSD2020's could do that without ejecting the magazine either.

 

[redicart]

@Full Spectrum. Phagan is a nigger but, he has a point. You are wordy. Just say things simply.

S&W has manufactured more than 3,000,000,000 M&P rifles since 2007. They average about 215,000 per year. In 2020 S&W was one of the largest manufacturers of ARs in the US if not the largest. In 2020 S&W was the second largest overall rifle manufacturer only second to Ruger.

Knights Armament manufactured in that same period approximately 29,000 rifles.

When you discuss quality of firearms it can be very difficult. Is Knights Armament better or worse than S&W? If S&W rifles fail at 1% that would be approximately 30,000 rifles. That is greater than the entire production of Knights Armament. Vice versa if Knights Armament has the same failure rate of 1% the total would be approximately 290. I am not saying that S&W is better than Knights just that "quality" is really just a gut feeling in the consumer's mind. No hard data really exists. It is experiential and anecdotal evidence.

People, when trying to determine good or bad, tend to research based on others experiences and anecdotes. Part of the guntuber's influence comes from that. It is also why people have a tendency to dislike shills. Can you really trust someone who derives income from a product to tell you the truth about the product?

The forward assist has been talked about with both love and hate for over fifty years. I doubt anyone could clarify the muddy waters concerning this issue no matter how hard they tried.

 

[Full Spectrum]

is really just a gut feeling in the consumer's mind. No hard data really exists. It is experiential and anecdotal evidence.

That's my point. You can't say that one rifle made with the same or similar enough features to another can be better based on a brand name with certainty. You would actually need to somehow test them. Most people don't have SOTAR tier gauge setups, but there are simple and easy things to check for like the bolt ring test, gas tube alignment, and so on. I'm currently arranging for a test on chambering resistance, its variables, and trying to validate a second simple test that most anyone could do at home and further understand the "quality" of their own guns as it relates to chambering so that we don't have to play this hypebeast brand game. So far this simple test has been used it to identify a BCG that had a broken 5 coil sprinco extractor spring that was still somehow not ejecting rounds strangely enough for the user to notice. This way instead of feeding into shills reviewing guns people can just buy a gun and replace some simple and cheap parts if need be. Hopefully this should work for the vast majority of people in helping better tune their guns for manufacturers and their little shortchanged tricks they do (with part/gas port size selection) to avoid bad reviews from the most casual and retarded of gun buyers.

I doubt anyone could clarify the muddy waters concerning this issue no matter how hard they tried.

I'm the first in nearly 60 years to have posted empirical evidence of it not being causal to FTEs. If anyone can do it, I honestly think I am the one.

 

[SinistralRifleman]

Funny enough not all WWSD2020's could do that without ejecting the magazine either.

https://kearms.americommerce.com/store/pg/149-ambimagcatch.aspx

Problem identified and resolved with our magazine catch design. I discussed this at length with your associate “juicy” in DMs.

We have the best customer service in the industry. Expecting companies to never have problems isn’t realistic. Expecting them to handle it for customers when they do is realistic, and we are the best at that.

 

[Puff]

@Full Spectrum. Phagan is a nigger but, he has a point. You are wordy. Just say things simply.
A PAGE OF SPERGERY

Buy a mirror, please.

In other news, Herrera was on Nick's show again

They talk about the Black Rifle Coffee and Rittenhouse towards the end. Nothing mind-blowing... Seems likely Herrera just doesn't know the extent of their shit-talking of Rittenhouse supporters (or is covering for them as a friend since they don't sponsor him)

 

[SinistralRifleman]

Oh, c'mon now would you rather be talking about fetuses and pigs, magazines and vaginas, the tactical and civil considerations of Kyle Rittenhouse (and not add anything that hasn't already been said), and making a troll video about some "who asked" -tier shotgun and red dot video (the forefront of the modern arms dilemmas), or would you rather try and arrive at a better understanding of the AR-15?

Actually yes I would rather share some jokes and laugh at trolling each other back and forth than engage in the level of navel gazing you do with regards to the forward assist. God definitely chose to punish Karl for his insolence by having Rittenhouse use the forward assist. He should lash himself 87 times with a single point sling in penance.

How much actual shooting do you do and what kind? I ask because regardless of the focus or discipline; people who actually shoot generally don’t care about theoretical stuff to this same degree. And if they do it’s something like PRS shooters performing the ritual of accuracy to appease the machine spirit of their bolt guns.

 

[SinistralRifleman]

No forward assist use in gameplay. 0/10 not realistic enough

 

[Quantrell Bishop]

How much actual shooting do you do and what kind? I ask because regardless of the focus or discipline; people who actually shoot generally don’t care about theoretical stuff to this same degree. And if they do it’s something like PRS shooters performing the ritual of accuracy to appease the machine spirit if their bolt guns.

As opposed to what? Theorizing about what would Stoner do? You stupid faggot.

 

[White Devil]

PRS shooters really do be like tech priests though.

 

[Full Spectrum]

people who actually shoot generally don’t care about theoretical stuff to this same degree.

On the contrary, "Kyle needed to use the FA since fully retracting the charging handle 1 inch out of battery causes a double feed" coupled with a demonstration isn't theoretical, it's just a fact. "Kyle would have been better served by using the charging handle" is merely a theory of Karl's that cannot be demonstrated since it is not true and since he's publicly stating such it's clear he hasn't tested it. Do you think Karl shoots more or less than me without knowing this simple fact?

 

[Kendall Motor Oil]

Karl would prefer the Penis..

Instead of those rubber mag grips, make it dicks.

Military AR-15s are expected to be put through much worse conditions than not having the best lube available or the most minimal friction coefficient environment

>He doesn't use an RF 85

Spoiler: Look at him. Look at him and laugh.

 

[Corn Flakes]

God definitely chose to punish Karl for his insolence by having Rittenhouse use the forward assist. He should lash himself 87 times with a single point sling in penance.

Dude, that's like... fucking mean. Those loops would really hurt.

Instead of those rubber mag grips, make it dicks.

Give it a real Romanian dong.

 

[Kendall Motor Oil]

I'm tempted to 3D print a KIAGF-15 but i dont want to spend money on a cerakoted upper.

 

[Shaka Brah]

>He doesn't use an RF 85

How true are those marketing claims anyway? That certainly sounds interesting but it's the kind of thing that makes me raise a skeptical eyebrow.

 

[HelpingNoone]

 

[Kendall Motor Oil]

How true are those marketing claims anyway? That certainly sounds interesting but it's the kind of thing that makes me raise a skeptical eyebrow.

No idea. I just saw the ad on the back of a stripped lower package. I'm tempted to get one.

 

[Full Spectrum]

Problem identified and resolved with our magazine catch design. I discussed this at length with your associate “juicy” in DMs.

We have the best customer service in the industry. Expecting companies to never have problems isn’t realistic. Expecting them to handle it for customers when they do is realistic, and we are the best at that.

That's why I used the past tense when talking about it and have no doubt the new, stronger, spring will fix the issue. I also have no doubts about the sincerity of you standing behind your product or the way you personally conduct business with your customers, Russel. I think it's just ironic when arguing about rifle quality and need of a forward assist that the WWSD 2020 rifles and even the 2017 one with the GWACS lower with its grease gun mag cutout has/had similar (confirmed) parallels of needing to be held correctly to avoid mag ejection. This is in addition to the supposition of Kyle's rifle needing to be held correctly that would also necessarily apply to the WWSD as well in terms of general AR-15 principles.