General GunTuber thread

[ForTheHoard]

There's no decision you can make in regards to self defense that a prosecutor won't try to exploit if they want to put you away. Yes, you can find examples of people getting fucked over a customized dust cover or glock back plate, but ultimately what's going to make or break your case comes down to the DA, judge, and jury. If the DA charges all self defense cases as murder, your judge is anti-gun, and the jurors are half-wits, there's a chance you'll get locked up regardless of the facts of the case. Most self defense attorneys would pray that every case they got was as clear and obvious as the Rittenhouse case, but even his trial could have gone either way.

There is no guarantee under any circumstance in any jurisdiction that you won't go to prison for the rest of your life for self-defense. Just pray you never have to deal with it.

 

[Uranus Pink]

This is why you buy a few Hi-Points through private sale and carry one of those. After you kill the urban youth that thought you'd make a good victim you can wipe the pistol down and toss it. I'd rather be out ~$150 than have to pay for some jew lawyer who won't properly defend me and end up in prison because some uppity woman in the jury got triggered because I put down a pavement ape.

The point of using Hi-Points and other cheap as fuck guns for self-defense is for when the I AM THE LAW po-pos confiscate it, you're not risking them "losing," "destroying," or "keeping it for their personal collection" a gun of financial, and/or family heirloom value to you if never returned.

 

[Troon_Patrol]

So Garand Thumb is showing how badass and hardcore 10mm blows away gel tests. That's why. But I've seen this Morgan and Morgan lawyer firm pushing on subjects that I don't think that if they found out that you were watching 'omg, stopping poowwwaaa' type vids would help your case. Wavywebsurf also used these guys as sponsors for his crime vids, and again, I think if you fuck up and get in court, your online history isn't going to help you. Link to the sponsor timestamp. And the audio is all screwed.

ETA there are always plenty of studies out there that even in a red state if you use a so-called 'assault weapon' in a legal defense situation the judge and jury will be more likely to convict and give harsher sentences than if you used what a cop would use like Glock.

Reality is a bitch.

If I have made the decision to shoot someone, I want them to die as quickly as possible. I do not consider what my firearm looks like as I believe no matter what happens most DA's in all states in all counties hate people who utilize self defense in the most clear and present danger situations. I think aftermarket dust covers with skulls and grips with logos from comic books and cringe bullshit like that will not help your bullets be any more lethal, they are cringe AF and should not be there out of that alone. Arm yourself with what the science says stops the threat as fast as possible, leave the cringe bullshit back on ebay marketplace and have a plan if you have to shoot someone what you are going to say to affirm first responders you are not a threat to anyone's safety and you need an attorney before making any statements of anything that is not %100 apparent to them.

 

[ForTheHoard]

If you're legitimately afraid of getting busted for things like caliber or accessories, use whatever your local PD or sheriff uses. It's hard for a prosecutor to bitch about how Winchester black talons are body exploders when the bailiff on the other side of the room has them in his issued M&P.

There's companies making wood hardware for AR's with the sole purpose of making it look less scary to a jury. That shit is stupid and indicative of more issues with the judicial system than the firearms industry.

 

[Corn Flakes]

If you're legitimately afraid of getting busted for things like caliber or accessories, use whatever your local PD or sheriff uses. It's hard for a prosecutor to bitch about how Winchester black talons are body exploders when the bailiff on the other side of the room has them in his issued M&P.

There's companies making wood hardware for AR's with the sole purpose of making it look less scary to a jury. That shit is stupid and indicative of more issues with the judicial system than the firearms industry.

I've seen more than a few people saying to not do that, because then the prosecutor will argue you were carrying because you were intentionally attempting to be a vigilante by copying the police.

 

[WelfareNiggerQueen]

I've seen more than a few people saying to not do that, because then the prosecutor will argue you were carrying because you were intentionally attempting to be a vigilante by copying the police.

If you shoot someone breaking into your house or trying to kill out in the streets and you're now standing trial for it, the prosecutor is 100% going to be a hyperbolic nigger faggot.

 

[crab fucker]

Yeah, rule of thumb is the prosecutor is going to attack you in any way they can. Provided you're not using some gucci'd up glock with NIGGERKILLER3000 engraved on the side you will hopefully be okay. Definitely avoid anything provocative.

 

[Spider Princess Fan]

Soviet RPG-7 warheads have a 5 meter arming distance. While this is much lower than most western systems, it is not 0 as some have claimed.

Source

Oh, actually it's even better at that, I remember seeing old scans for soviet manuals, and they are still relatively easy to google, so the "Shooting Guide: RPG7/RPG7D" or its better title "Edification about Shooting Mastery: Hand Held Anti-Tank Rocket Launcher ( RPG7 and RPG7D ) second edition, extended" from 1972, chapter 4 "Function of parts and mechanisms of rocket launcher", paragraph 33, page 65 quote: "the process of activation of detonator starts during firing and finishes between the distance of 2.5 to 18 meters relatively to the weapon's muzzle". Despite being extremely pedantic in details ( and going 156 pages long, not counting the addendum about training variant ) this is only mentioned in this particular part of the text, while full chart showing all characteristics of both the launcher and two rocket types are available, arming distance is never mentioned in either of them.

And also because it's pretty funny, page 156, addendum 4, chart for "average number of rockets required to score a hit against armored target" between standard PG-7V and improved PG-7VM ammunition, against moving target ( tank ) face-to-face, against "flanking" target moving at 45-90 degree angle and target at hulldown position, assuming that target is 2 meters tall and moving targets travel at 20 km/h. One must imagine Sisyphus happy, after he scores that sick 2% hit chance at 500 meters versus the hulldown Chieftain or whatever.

 

[East_Clintwood]

All the arguments about whether doing certain shit/certain choices will impact you in the event of a shooting are kinda pointless for a couple of reasons.

1)The vast majority of this stuff is basically irrelevant and won't come up, unless you're dumb enough to voluntarily bring it up yourself (at which point you have bigger problems)
2)If it does come up, most of it is only going to really be relevant once the prosecutor has decided they're going to press charges, at which point your choices don't matter because whatever you did will be spun to support their narrative to the jury.

 

[Corn Flakes]

Oh, actually it's even better at that, I remember seeing old scans for soviet manuals, and they are still relatively easy to google, so the "Shooting Guide: RPG7/RPG7D" or its better title "Edification about Shooting Mastery: Hand Held Anti-Tank Rocket Launcher ( RPG7 and RPG7D ) second edition, extended" from 1972, chapter 4 "Function of parts and mechanisms of rocket launcher", paragraph 33, page 65 quote: "the process of activation of detonator starts during firing and finishes between the distance of 2.5 to 18 meters relatively to the weapon's muzzle". Despite being extremely pedantic in details ( and going 156 pages long, not counting the addendum about training variant ) this is only mentioned in this particular part of the text, while full chart showing all characteristics of both the launcher and two rocket types are available, arming distance is never mentioned in either of them.
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Between 2.5 and 18 meters, you say? That's almost a whole order of magnitude in the error bars.

Good ol' Russian engineering right there. I guess they reasoned that if you're shooting at anything that close to you, your existence is hanging on a coinflip anyway.

And also because it's pretty funny, page 156, addendum 4, chart for "average number of rockets required to score a hit against armored target" between standard PG-7V and improved PG-7VM ammunition, against moving target ( tank ) face-to-face, against "flanking" target moving at 45-90 degree angle and target at hulldown position, assuming that target is 2 meters tall and moving targets travel at 20 km/h. One must imagine Sisyphus happy, after he scores that sick 2% hit chance at 500 meters versus the hulldown Chieftain or whatever.

The Soviet Army really was on that OG X-Com grindset.

 

[Eyesore City]

An update from the RPG accident that occurred on Ballistic High-Speed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASE0e5DkFkE

Adam, returns to the show to review the footage. He suffered from a skull fracture, broken cheek, dislocated jaw, and 3rd degree burns to his arms and upper body. He looks really good considering this was less than a month ago.

They point to the booster failing and sealing the exhaust causing an explosion at the rewelded point of the RPG.

 

[Corporal Lewis]

Given how the guy is alive and only suffered moderate yet not life threatening damage to his body, this is a testament to this RPG model's engineering. I guess after the skin grafts heal, he'll have some scars to brag with. That and the video. Glad he's okay.

 

[PonderosaPete]

I guess seeing that footage for the first time really blew him away.

 

[Eyesore City]

Given how the guy is alive and only suffered moderate yet not life threatening damage to his body, this is a testament to this RPG model's engineering. I guess after the skin grafts heal, he'll have some scars to brag with. That and the video. Glad he's okay.

I was expecting Kentucky Ballistics level of damage. With the Serbu, the most likely fail point is that heavy endcap which is directly in line with the shooters face.

The primary damage here appears to be burns from flames escaping the trigger pack and a solid punch to the face as the RPG launched itself into the air.

The failure at the reweld was far enough forward he avoided the primary shrapnel. It could had been worse without the reweld point from the looks of it.

 

[SpergioLeonne]

White people:

 

[Bummer]

I'm not digging for it but Sage Dynamics did a video years ago that informed my thinking on the subject of weapon model or modifications being used against you in court.
Basically just don't make unnecessary cosmetic choices (faggy Punisher skull back plates) and you better be able to explain why you have the gun you have with the modifications it has. I carry a pretty decked out Glock but I'm confident I can reasonably explain everything. Why is it stippled? It's unsafe to drop a gun in a stressful situation, stippling helps prevent that. Why does it have a read dot? Accuracy, I don't want to put innocent bystanders at risk if I have to use it. Why do you have a modified trigger? Same as the last, accuracy. Why the slide cuts? Easier and safer manipulation of the firearm. Why do you have a light on the gun? Positive threat ID, I don't want to take a life unless I absolutely have to. Why is it Cerakoted? Because the modifications required refinishing the gun so I chose a simple flat coyote color. As far as ammunition I use HST 147gr because I can point to mountains of data showing it is an accurate round with low over penetration.
Same thing if I have to use the AR I keep for home defense. Low recoil and simple manual of arms so my wife can operate it if need be, It's short for maneuverability, it has an optic for accuracy it has a suppressor for hearing safety andd.

 

[Bummer]

I'm not digging for it but Sage Dynamics did a video years ago that informed my thinking on the subject of weapon model or modifications being used against you in court.
Basically just don't make unnecessary cosmetic choices (faggy Punisher skull back plates) and you better be able to explain why you have the gun you have with the modifications it has. I carry a pretty decked out Glock but I'm confident I can reasonably explain everything. Why is it stippled? It's unsafe to drop a gun in a stressful situation, stippling helps prevent that. Why does it have a read dot? Accuracy, I don't want to put innocent bystanders at risk if I have to use it. Why do you have a modified trigger? Same as the last, accuracy. Why the slide cuts? Easier and safer manipulation of the firearm. Why do you have a light on the gun? Positive threat ID, I don't want to take a life unless I absolutely have to. Why is it Cerakoted? Because the modifications required refinishing the gun so I chose a simple flat coyote color. As far as ammunition I use HST 147gr because I can point to mountains of data showing it is an accurate round with low over penetration.
Same thing if I have to use the AR I keep for home defense. Low recoil and simple manual of arms so my wife can operate it if need be, It's short for maneuverability, it has an optic for accuracy it has a suppressor for hearing safety and a light for not shooting someone who doesn't deserve it.
All the fudd legal advice is retarded and you are a retard if you are building out and carrying weapons you can't even justify to yourself.

edit: finished my thought.

 

[ForTheHoard]

Any and everything will be used against you regardless of how nonremarkable it is, so ultimately it doesn't matter what you do.

Hollow points? Intent to kill. Frangible? Wanted his victims to be unrecognizable. FMJ? Over penetrates showing criminal recklessness.

.22? Cruelty, intent to maim proves your life wasn't threatened. 9mm? Blows a man's lungs out of his body. .45? "some idiom from the 40's about being able to kill anything." 10mm? Overkill. Didn't want victims to survive long enough for medical attention. 5.7? Cop killer, beats level 10 unbreakable armor. 5.56/7.62? Weapon of war/school shooter's choice. .300blk? Exotic, assasin's weapon. .308? Sniper rifle's can't be used for self defense. 12ga? Elephant gun. "Will blow a man clean in half."

Carry scary black equipment based on local government standards? S.E.A.L. LARPer, vigilante, mass killer. Carry non-tactical equipment that's customized and fancy-pants? Thinks murder is fun and wants the world to see how much they enjoy it.

It sounds like the only way to 100% avoid going to prison is to let your attacker kill you. Juries can do pretty much whatever the fuck they want, so your choice of attorney is probably a lot more important than your choice of firearm.

 

[Romulus augustulus]

Any and everything will be used against you regardless of how nonremarkable it is, so ultimately it doesn't matter what you do.

Hollow points? Intent to kill. Frangible? Wanted his victims to be unrecognizable. FMJ? Over penetrates showing criminal recklessness.

.22? Cruelty, intent to maim proves your life wasn't threatened. 9mm? Blows a man's lungs out of his body. .45? "some idiom from the 40's about being able to kill anything." 10mm? Overkill. Didn't want victims to survive long enough for medical attention. 5.7? Cop killer, beats level 10 unbreakable armor. 5.56/7.62? Weapon of war/school shooter's choice. .300blk? Exotic, assasin's weapon. .308? Sniper rifle's can't be used for self defense. 12ga? Elephant gun. "Will blow a man clean in half."

Carry scary black equipment based on local government standards? S.E.A.L. LARPer, vigilante, mass killer. Carry non-tactical equipment that's customized and fancy-pants? Thinks murder is fun and wants the world to see how much they enjoy it.

It sounds like the only way to 100% avoid going to prison is to let your attacker kill you. Juries can do pretty much whatever the fuck they want, so your choice of attorney is probably a lot more important than your choice of firearm.

or just live somewhere the grand jury won't indict. last self defense shooting in my county was no-billed the same week, shooter wasn't ever arrested or had his shotgun taken.

follow the SERE acronym. Survive evade resist and escape (with your life). do your upmost to avoid the conflict, the easiest way is to not go somewhere you think you might have to use your gun.

 

[ForTheHoard]

or just live somewhere the grand jury won't indict. last self defense shooting in my county was no-billed the same week, shooter wasn't ever arrested or had his shotgun taken.

follow the SERE acronym. Survive evade resist and escape (with your life). do your upmost to avoid the conflict, the easiest way is to not go somewhere you think you might have to use your gun.

I've had people hound me about it for years because I use hand loads in my home defense rifle, and like anything else, people say making your own ammunition will sway a jury in an otherwise justified shooting. That totally disregards the fact that I underload frangibles for the specific intent of not sending a bullet into my neighbor's house, and there's not a commercially available load in that caliber designed to underperform FBI standards.