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MirrorNoir said:
Episode's the first time I've personally heard Donut Operator talking about trying to be a Navy Seal and in particular, how he washed out (which is both funny and sad). Sadly, Donut once again dances around the issue of his first marriage, which makes me wonder (again) what the fuck happened between Cody and his first wife since SOMETHING bad had to happen for Donut to both get sole custody/the right to drop the kid off to be raised by his grandparents for a while after he left the Navy and was getting his life together and why he never mentions her.
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I could swear he's mentioned how he washed out of the SEALs before, and I think he's mentioned his first wife was/became a huge crack head/druggie or something. But this also could have just been shit I read somewhere at some point too so take it as you will.
 
AGPinochet said:
Guntuber, Slavboo, Apache Attack Helicopter pilot, 13lb rifle builder, BB Larper and Jewish Midget Benjamin Schiff AKA Oxide was interviewed by The Times as a "Weapons Expert" a few weeks ago.
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So many bad takes on this one.

The idea that the Ukranians having this randoms mish mash of both western and eastern weapons from multiple different decades (some of which aren't even in production anymore) of multiple different ammo types with ,for the most part, non interchangeable parts doesn't negatively effect the infantry on the ground and the logistical train behind them is such a stupid fucking propagandist take.

"They didn't let the system mature before they issued the AK12." That's how you "mature" the system you absolute fucking ape. You issue it. The guys on the ground give you some feed back and you iterate.

"The Russian MIC didn't expect a longer conflict." is also a weird cope, the RUMIC was escalating it's production long before the war and it went into overdrive when the war started. Their poor ability to keep up with demand stems more from the fact that they've been under sanctions for over a decade and have to do everything through a middle man that doesn't have the same sanctions imposed on them. Keeping that in mind a longer conflict actually benefits them as they're able to improve existing trade routes and establishe new ones.

The Ukranians have better night fighting capabilities than the Russians and the Russians have serious gaps in training, especially in terms of night fighting...based on what? Seriously he just makes this statement and makes no attempt to support it. He also just repeats himself a lot.

One thing he completely failed to mention is that the militias are being directly armed by the russians and whatever ukranian weapon caches they're able to capture (provided said caches use russian calibres). This goes as far as to include tanks like the T54/55 and T62. Older RPG models, old artillary pieces, anything that has been sitting in storage for awhile basically. He makes it seem like the Militias are basically playing Escape from Tarkov and using whatever weapon they can loot, when that's not the case.
 
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BaldAndMorallyBankrupt said:
The idea that the Ukranians having this randoms mish mash of both western and eastern weapons from multiple different decades (some of which aren't even in production anymore) of multiple different ammo types with ,for the most part, non interchangeable parts doesn't negatively effect the infantry on the ground and the logistical train behind them is such a stupid fucking propagandist take.
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I don't think it does. The Germans used scored of captured weapons during WW2 just fine. And During WW1 Romania while losing half it's territory still maintained an army that used 5 different rifles and 4 different calibers. The logistical impact of multiple weapons and calibers is a challenge that is easy to solve. Give one unit/front one kind of gun and caliber and tell them to sort it out. The real issue is on the manufacture end, something Ukraine doesn't have to deal with.
BaldAndMorallyBankrupt said:
"They didn't let the system mature before they issued the AK12." That's how you "mature" the system you absolute fucking ape. You issue it. The guys on the ground give you some feed back and you iterate.
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Did they give AK-12 to the guys in Syria?
BaldAndMorallyBankrupt said:
"The Russian MIC didn't expect a longer conflict." is also a weird cope, the RUMIC was escalating it's production long before the war and it went into overdrive when the war started. Their poor ability to keep up with demand stems more from the fact that they've been under sanctions for over a decade and have to do everything through a middle man that doesn't have the same sanctions imposed on them. Keeping that in mind a longer conflict actually benefits them as they're able to improve existing trade routes and establishe new ones.
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The thought of the Russian high command was that this was gonna be a 2 week operation. That's more on the army not the industry but the industry got to weasel around the sanctions. You had T90s with French optics and Tigrs with Bosch parts. Those got closed as soon as the invasion happened.
BaldAndMorallyBankrupt said:
The Ukranians have better night fighting capabilities than the Russians and the Russians have serious gaps in training, especially in terms of night fighting...based on what? Seriously he just makes this statement and makes no attempt to support it. He also just repeats himself a lot.
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Based on the fact that the US and a lot of other people gave them modern night vision optics. A lot of the vehicles given also come with that as standard. While Russians were selling their NVDs to larpers. There just is less NVD footage from Russia as well. The one I remember from the beginning of the invasion is some Spetznaz sniper team using thermals.
BaldAndMorallyBankrupt said:
One thing he completely failed to mention is that the militias are being directly armed by the russians and whatever ukranian weapon caches they're able to capture (provided said caches use russian calibres). This goes as far as to include tanks like the T54/55 and T62. Older RPG models, old artillary pieces, anything that has been sitting in storage for awhile basically. He makes it seem like the Militias are basically playing Escape from Tarkov and using whatever weapon they can loot, when that's not the case.
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Nigger if they drag out T-10As not even Ms out of storage to give the Peoples Suicide Squadrons a measure of 122 fire support then they ain't doing good and are playing Escape from Tarkov.
 
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Smashed & Slamed said:
Did they give AK-12 to the guys in Syria?
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in the vast majority of photos they have bone stock AK-74s and under folding AKM rifles. there was one video which i cannot find now but it was a spetnaz team fighting ISIS at night. they all had thermals and were armed with AK-74s that looked like they had been dragged through the zenitco catalog.
 
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@Smashed & Slamed

1. It's definitely a bigger issue than you're making it out to be. I could talk about multiple sourcing, variable delivery time, training and retraining of both soldiers and smiths, issues in sourcing replacement parts, even things as seemingly minor as ammo being packaged differently can cause issues down the line. I'm sure that will just go over your head though so i'll leave you with this. NATO created the STANAGs for a reason.

2. Not in significant quantities and not to conventional troops.

3. The "2 weeks" timeline comes from, ironically enough US sources, not Russian ones. Most of the soldiers when the invasion happened were on 6 month deployment contracts, though that could also simply be a legal limitation. French Optics and Bosch parts were sanctioned all the way back in 2014 which is what crippled a lot of modernization programms at the time in Russia. The saction after the invasion mostly targeted russian exports not russian imports.

4. All of the vehicles given to Ukraine came with 2nd gen optics which Russia already had plenty of. Even vehicles that had 3rd gen optics got downgraded to 2nd gen before export. Neither Russia nor Ukraine issue 3rd gen optics on mass but i'd give the advantage to Russia since they at least have some domestically produced 3rd gens where as Ukraine is entirely dependen on imports. As for individual NVGs that's really just guess work on you and oxides part.

5. That's really cool bro.
 
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BaldAndMorallyBankrupt said:
1. It's definitely a bigger issue than you're making it out to be. I could talk about multiple sourcing, variable delivery time, training and retraining of both soldiers and smiths, issues in sourcing replacement parts, even things as seemingly minor as ammo being packaged differently can cause issues down the line. I'm sure that will just go over your head though so i'll leave you with this. NATO created the STANAGs for a reason.
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Half of those things have nothing to do with the ammo type or separate guns. You will train a unit on one gun. It doesn't matter than another unit is trained on another gun. The packacing is just reaching. What ivan not know how to open paper box, he only knows how to use can opener?
BaldAndMorallyBankrupt said:
3. The "2 weeks" timeline comes from, ironically enough US sources, not Russian ones. Most of the soldiers when the invasion happened were on 6 month deployment contracts, though that could also simply be a legal limitation. French Optics and Bosch parts were sanctioned all the way back in 2014 which is what crippled a lot of modernization programms at the time in Russia. The saction after the invasion mostly targeted russian exports not russian imports.
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The French still were fulfilling their contract for thermals because that one predated the sanctions of the time and as such was exempt. That loophole was closed. That's just a famous one. Inspite of the sanctions people found work around as prior to 2022 people didn't care that much about Ukraine.
BaldAndMorallyBankrupt said:
. All of the vehicles given to Ukraine came with 2nd gen optics which Russia already had plenty of. Even vehicles that had 3rd gen optics got downgraded to 2nd gen before export.
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I'm sure the underfunded mechanics in the British Army or Bundeswehr were really keen on taking the optics out and putting new optics in.
BaldAndMorallyBankrupt said:
Neither Russia nor Ukraine issue 3rd gen optics on mass but i'd give the advantage to Russia since they at least have some domestically produced 3rd gens where as Ukraine is entirely dependen on imports
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It's not as if this big conglomeration of richer nations called NATO + Japan and Korea give Ukraine military aid to the tune of billions of dollars and there is no restriction on the exportation of NVGs and Thermals to Ukraine as there is for Russia or China. Ukraine shares three borders with NATO. Importation is not an issue.
BaldAndMorallyBankrupt said:
5. That's really cool bro.
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I agree I think the T-10 is peak Cold War aesthetics.
 
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@Smashed & Slamed

1. Wow, it really did go over your head. Most Ukranian units are mixed gear anyways so even by your own logic, your point is moot.

2. The largest most important contracts were canceled. The few that remained were relatively small, and also were wrapped up well before the war in Ukraine started. Also something not being retroactive isn't a loophole it's a conscious decision when making a policy.

3. You can literally look this up.

4. Importation is always an issue which shows me how little you actually know about logistics if it wasn't clear already. On that note NATO, much like Russia dumping it's old crap on the DPR and LPR to clear storage space, is doing the same thing to Ukraine. I doubt they're getting more than Gen2s and early Gen3s. We know for a fact they're not getting anything better than gen2 as far as thermals go.
 
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BaldAndMorallyBankrupt said:
1. Wow, it really did go over your head. Most Ukranian units are mixed gear anyways so even by your own logic, your point is moot.
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What do you mean by unit and mixed gear. Do you mean down to the fire team everyone has a different gun and caliber. Or a battalion could have two calibers?
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3. You can literally look this up.
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And then you can also show a source.
BaldAndMorallyBankrupt said:
4. Importation is always an issue which shows me how little you actually know about logistics if it wasn't clear already. On that note NATO, much like Russia dumping it's old crap on the DPR and LPR to clear storage space, is doing the same thing to Ukraine. I doubt they're getting more than Gen2s and early Gen3s. We know for a fact they're not getting anything better than gen2 as far as thermals go.
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Nigger commercial NVDs and Thermals are higher quality and more modern than what ever Russia has. There is plenty of footage coming from modern Thermals and NVDs out of Ukraine. You can see plenty of photos of the higher tier Ukranian units with modern equipment. The Ukranians also had gen3s before the war started. That's what the modernization package was for their IFVs and tanks.
 
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Smashed & Slamed said:
What do you mean by unit and mixed gear. Do you mean down to the fire team everyone has a different gun and caliber. Or a battalion could have two calibers?

And then you can also show a source.

Nigger commercial NVDs and Thermals are higher quality and more modern than what ever Russia has. There is plenty of footage coming from modern Thermals and NVDs out of Ukraine. You can see plenty of photos of the higher tier Ukranian units with modern equipment. The Ukranians also had gen3s before the war started. That's what the modernization package was for their IFVs and tanks.
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You think the thermals and NVGs on Alibaba are anywhere near on paar with what militaries field? You are a genuine retard, aren't you?

Edit: Even in the video itself oxide mentions how many pictures and videos there are of guys in the same teams wearing basically completely different kits but with the yellow tape to ID themselves as ukranians.
 
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