General GunTuber thread

[HelpingNoone]

I'm just going to paraphrase what I've said in other threads: the natives were quite proficient at fucking each other over, taking over each other's land and territory, and being general assholes. As humans are when resources are limited.

This bullshit some people spout about "the natives had no concept of land ownership" is just that: bullshit. Yeah, the land may not have officially belonged to anyone specifically, but your stuff was still your stuff, and the tribe was going to defend their territory being encroached upon as viciously as an European colonizer, and they had enough trouble with people attacking and invading one another they actually created their own local confederacies even before the Europeans showed up. That meant they were politically sophisticated, for sure (humans tend to be), but it also spoke volumes as to the situation they were in: they would not need coalitions and peace treaties if they were already coexisting peacefully.

The big reason why we don't read about the atrocities the native American nations inflicted upon one another is because the Europeans did a great job of erasing those records since so many of them were carried only orally, and the "pro-native" groups out there refuse to allow access to any information still around because they don't want their "side" to look bad. So now all we have are the stories that survived, and even those are usually curated to make the natives look good because if you present them in any sort of negative light you get barraged by low-information idiots. Even tribes that were infamous for being such assholes other tribes allied with the Europeans against them, get whitewashed and turned into misunderstood puppydogs. Which is an insult to everybody's intelligence, because human societies are complex and nuanced.

If you transported Karl to the 1600s for all his preaching he'd be dog food within a week.

Absolutely. I especially hate when the left focuses in on the "original sin" of imperialism as if it's something uniquely "white".
Up until 100 years ago EVERY culture took part in redefining their borders by war and trade. Even the Native Americans...

They have this utopia where the colonizers should give land back to the colonized. But who did those people take it from? Do you go back to the Paleolithic period 40,000 years ago?

It's hopeful to think that Native American's would be happily living off the land in 2021 had we not arrived. Famine and tribal war had just as big of an impact on South American tribes disappearing, as did Spanish interference.

 

[MasonicTelevision]

Is it Othias and his poly thing?

Wouldn’t be the first time a Mae goes “under the gunt” so to speak

 

[Meat Target]

Karl being another white-lib savior for my dad's favorite baseball team. How dreamy of a man(child)!
Again, never understood the whole "duh wyte man brot down dem natives." Usually a view I see postulated by white liberals.
I find it funny how they believe Europeans and as a whole, whites, exclusively went out to fuck up tribes like Jack Dempsey going out to High-school boxing matches to fuck up some kiddos.
They seem too rarted, or purposefully unaware of how Europeans had a history of fucking obliterating one another.
Then one viewing of Avatar teaches them that all natives are peaceful tribes who are only trying to survive.
Fuck off with that bullshit. Every tribe tried to fuck eachother over with their own set of politics.
Chief ScrotalBull got into a shitfit with Chief AnalEagle because AnalEagle decided to tap ScrotalBull's sister. Blammo. War.

Everyone has been fucking eachother for millenia, it just so happened the natives didn't pay for the 20 dollar DLC pass to advance past bows and arrows.

I'm just going to paraphrase what I've said in other threads: the natives were quite proficient at fucking each other over, taking over each other's land and territory, and being general assholes. As humans are when resources are limited.

This bullshit some people spout about "the natives had no concept of land ownership" is just that: bullshit. Yeah, the land may not have officially belonged to anyone specifically, but your stuff was still your stuff, and the tribe was going to defend their territory being encroached upon as viciously as an European colonizer, and they had enough trouble with people attacking and invading one another they actually created their own local confederacies even before the Europeans showed up. That meant they were politically sophisticated, for sure (humans tend to be), but it also spoke volumes as to the situation they were in: they would not need coalitions and peace treaties if they were already coexisting peacefully.

The big reason why we don't read about the atrocities the native American nations inflicted upon one another is because the Europeans did a great job of erasing those records since so many of them were carried only orally, and the "pro-native" groups out there refuse to allow access to any information still around because they don't want their "side" to look bad. So now all we have are the stories that survived, and even those are usually curated to make the natives look good because if you present them in any sort of negative light you get barraged by low-information idiots. Even tribes that were infamous for being such assholes other tribes allied with the Europeans against them, get whitewashed and turned into misunderstood puppydogs. Which is an insult to everybody's intelligence, because human societies are complex and nuanced.

If you transported Karl to the 1600s for all his preaching he'd be dog food within a week.

Absolutely. I especially hate when the left focuses in on the "original sin" of imperialism as if it's something uniquely "white".
Up until 100 years ago EVERY culture took part in redefining their borders by war and trade. Even the Native Americans...

They have this utopia where the colonizers should give land back to the colonized. But who did those people take it from? Do you go back to the Paleolithic period 40,000 years ago?

It's hopeful to think that Native American's would be happily living off the land in 2021 had we not arrived. Famine and tribal war had just as big of an impact on South American tribes disappearing, as did Spanish interference.

Noble Savage mythology is nothing new. It goes back to at least 1800's Romanticism.

 

[ellroy]

I'm just going to paraphrase what I've said in other threads: the natives were quite proficient at fucking each other over, taking over each other's land and territory, and being general assholes. As humans are when resources are limited.

This bullshit some people spout about "the natives had no concept of land ownership" is just that: bullshit. Yeah, the land may not have officially belonged to anyone specifically, but your stuff was still your stuff, and the tribe was going to defend their territory being encroached upon as viciously as an European colonizer, and they had enough trouble with people attacking and invading one another they actually created their own local confederacies even before the Europeans showed up. That meant they were politically sophisticated, for sure (humans tend to be), but it also spoke volumes as to the situation they were in: they would not need coalitions and peace treaties if they were already coexisting peacefully.

The big reason why we don't read about the atrocities the native American nations inflicted upon one another is because the Europeans did a great job of erasing those records since so many of them were carried only orally, and the "pro-native" groups out there refuse to allow access to any information still around because they don't want their "side" to look bad. So now all we have are the stories that survived, and even those are usually curated to make the natives look good because if you present them in any sort of negative light you get barraged by low-information idiots. Even tribes that were infamous for being such assholes other tribes allied with the Europeans against them, get whitewashed and turned into misunderstood puppydogs. Which is an insult to everybody's intelligence, because human societies are complex and nuanced.

If you transported Karl to the 1600s for all his preaching he'd be dog food within a week.

Just to add on to this:

One of the largest tribes left in the United States is the Sioux. The Sioux are very protective of land in the Black Hills of South Dakota and Wyoming because it is sacred to them. However back in 1492 when Columbus arrived in the Caribbean, the Sioux lived in the Minnesota woodlands and only migrated west when they learned how to use horses from another plains tribe almost 200 years later. Upon learning this, the Sioux rode west, waged genocidal total war on other tribes and took control of the Black Hills. The other tribes hated the Sioux so much, they gladly cooperated with the US Cavalry to fight them and the Sioux were later one of the last plains tribes to surrender to reservation life and maintain larger population numbers to other tribes simply because they killed the competition off.

Steven Pinker wrote something related to this, “quantitative body counts—such as the proportion of prehistoric skeletons with ax marks and embedded arrowheads or the proportion of men in a contemporary foraging tribe who die at the hands of other men—suggest that pre-state societies were far more violent than our own.”

It’s almost as if the Europeans really did bring civilization to the natives.

 

[HelpingNoone]

It’s almost as if the Europeans really did bring civilization to the natives.

At the very least the Europeans brought the concept of the wheel.

Woke historians will often try and defend their technological prowess with this image of a child's toy.

So they knew how good the wheel was and intentionally didn't use it? lol

 

[Willie Thrills]

At the very least the Europeans brought the concept of the wheel.

Woke historians will often try and defend their technological prowess with this image of a child's toy.
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So they knew how good the wheel was and intentionally didn't use it? lol

In defense of the Incas, they did live on mountains. They probably tried wheels and realised that it didn't help much and now all their potatoes were rolling downhill at 120mph.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

At the very least the Europeans brought the concept of the wheel.

Woke historians will often try and defend their technological prowess with this image of a child's toy.
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So they knew how good the wheel was and intentionally didn't use it? lol

They also had the raw materials & technical skill to work brass, with zinc being far more abundant than tin. I think the closest any of the Mesoamericans got to using iron was meteorite jewelry.

In defense of the Incas, they did live on mountains. They probably tried wheels and realised that it didn't help much and now all their potatoes were rolling downhill at 120mph.

The Inca especially had sheer manpower, along with llamas; unlike the enlightened Aztec & Maya; most of their population was kept busy with slash & burn agriculture.
The Inca had farming squared away, freeing up the manpower for infrastructure & road building. I've also heard credible theories they weren't that far from using hydropower mills. Hell..... given another couple hundred years, they might've even developed a navy & figured out gliders long before needing wheels; they definitely had the access to water & altitude.

In any case, this is a really good podcast on the fall of the Incas:

 

[Willie Thrills]

They also had the raw materials & technical skill to work brass, with zinc being far more abundant than tin. I think the closest any of the Mesoamericans got to using iron was meteorite jewelry.

The Inca especially had sheer manpower, along with llamas; unlike the enlightened Aztec & Maya; most of their population was kept busy with slash & burn agriculture.
The Inca had farming squared away, freeing up the manpower for infrastructure & road building. I've also heard credible theories they weren't that far from using hydropower mills. Hell..... given another couple hundred years, they might've even developed a navy & figured out gliders long before needing wheels; they definitely had the access to water & altitude.

In any case, this is a really good podcast on the fall of the Incas:

Wouldn't surprise me if they did learn how to use gliders before they figured out how to properly use wheels.

Seriously, I'm just imagining a sad-looking Incan man watching his trolley go flying down a mountain at incredible speed.

 

[HelpingNoone]

They also had the raw materials & technical skill to work brass, with zinc being far more abundant than tin. I think the closest any of the Mesoamericans got to using iron was meteorite jewelry.

Absolutely, the civilizations of South America were far more advanced than the North Americans. They would probably be the ones "oppressing the Native Americans" had they persisted.

It's a bit of a catch 22. The smaller of a culture you are, the easier it is to survive off of the land, but any small change can wipe you out. The bigger of a culture you are, the more insulated you are from changes, but you increase chances of famine, plague, and war.

 

[Cpl. Long Dong Silver]

According to this guy T Rex is full of shit

 

[MasonicTelevision]

According to this guy T Rex is full of shit

I guess he deleted it already kek

 

[Pepsi Max Respecter]

I guess he deleted it already kek

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I think he had to reupload part(s) of the video due to copyright

 

[TerminalTryHard]

I guess he deleted it already kek

I saw the video and he said he thought there was a good chance lucas would copyright strike it sense a good part of the video is just commentating on one of Lucas' videos along with some other claims.

 

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I think he had to reupload part(s) of the video due to copyright

I never followed TRex but I'd heard of him claiming to train SWAT which I thought was feasible for some small departments that do it part-time. Training actual SF though? I don't know how people didn't call bs on that off the get go.

 

[White Devil]

I never followed TRex but I'd heard of him claiming to train SWAT which I thought was feasible for some small departments that do it part-time. Training actual SF though? I don't know how people didn't call bs on that off the get go.

He's a full of shit, excuse me for using this high school term, poser. Lucas Botkin is one of the biggest jokes of the tacticlol world, he has even less cred than James Yeager.

 

[Only A Retard Sometimes]

I never followed TRex but I'd heard of him claiming to train SWAT which I thought was feasible for some small departments that do it part-time. Training actual SF though? I don't know how people didn't call bs on that off the get go.

IIRC Lucas has said he doesn't teach tactics but teaches shooting. for what its worth he is pretty fast. As far as i can remember from watching his videos he has never really done much on actual tactics, just movement and speed but i haven't watch in a while. just scrolling though is uploads there is a lot of "are canted red dots FAST?"
they were hyping the sionyx aurora as a viable budget alternative to gen 1 and 2 night vision and that's just straight up not true at all. Aurora sucks ass.
he and his brother got some sort of ammo tax repealed in TN i think. The whole channel is marketing for his company.

 

[White Devil]

IIRC Lucas has said he doesn't teach tactics but teaches shooting. for what its worth he is pretty fast. As far as i can remember from watching his videos he has never really done much on actual tactics, just movement and speed but i haven't watch in a while. just scrolling though is uploads there is a lot of "are canted red dots FAST?"
they were hyping the sionyx aurora as a viable budget alternative to gen 1 and 2 night vision and that's just straight up not true at all. Aurora sucks ass.
he and his brother got some sort of ammo tax repealed in TN i think. The whole channel is marketing for his company.

He's been caught several times faking his splits.

And iirc his dad owns a shoothouse or something that local agencies rent sometimes. He isn't qualified to train anything. At least, not anything on a professional level.

 

[Only A Retard Sometimes]

He's been caught several times faking his splits.

And iirc his dad owns a shoothouse or something that local agencies rent sometimes. He isn't qualified to train anything. At least, not anything on a professional level.

I thought his dad was some sort of hardcore fundamentalist?

 

[White Devil]

I thought his dad was some sort of hardcore fundamentalist?

I honestly do not know. I just know the family is well off and the only reason Lucas is able to larp like he does in the first place is because of his father. Botkin is another one of those people that just looking at them makes me irrationally want to hurt them.

 

[Only A Retard Sometimes]

I honestly do not know. I just know the family is well off and the only reason Lucas is able to larp like he does in the first place is because of his father. Botkin is another one of those people that just looking at them makes me irrationally want to hurt them.

did some searching. His dad is Geoffrey botkin:

He Runs some thing called the Western conservatory of the arts and sciences. His byline says

Geoffrey Botkin is a cultural analyst, political consultant, veteran filmmaker, husband, and father. He currently serves as a senior consultant to the Western Conservatory of the Arts & Sciences.

the articles are what you would expect from a christian libertarian type.
His mother is Victoria Botkin:

She has a website called Victoria's library. Its a homeschooling blog.

His Dad is a elder at the christ the king church

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