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I happened to look into the Botkins some time ago. It's not that juicy because a lot of what's on the internet is essentially a bitchslap fight between tradcon Christians and atheist circles and both are high off their own fumes.
So, let's start. Apparently the family wanted to move to New Zealand and this is mentioned in some blogs and forums dating back to 2008-2009.
THE PRESENT: Preparing for the New Zealand Exodus

About a year ago, word appeared on the internet discussing the information that the Geoff Botkin was disseminating, primarily calling for all Vision Forum-minded homeschoolers who wanted to escape the predicted coming socioeconomic disaster in the United States to follow the Botkins to New Zealand in 2010. Apparently, the political situation in the US is not conducive to the GCM ideal of taking dominion, so apparently Botkin wants to return to hopefully accomplish what he and McCotter failed to do successfully a decade earlier: conquer New Zealand through McCotter’s well-known “Media Mandate,” using newspapers and TV to establish a religious, social and political power base to advance their “gospel.” Note that part of Geoff Botkin’s 200 Year Plan includes his son becoming Prime Minister of NZ in his late 50s, the age that Geoff Botkin is now approaching. The Botkin family reportedly immigrated to New Zealand in the late nineties, per one report, and they apparently planned to return there with a following of new recruits. I find this all rather oxymoronic for a group of people that profess taking dominion, as it would seem to me to make more sense to take dominion over one’s own corner of the world rather than resorting to a retreat to another.
A group of Vision Forum notables recently made the trek to New Zealand in April, or at least they traveled for speaking engagements for a week according to this website. I understand that this was a male-only trip, attended by other Vision Forum affiliates including Matt Chancey who reportedly is NOT planning a move to NZ in 2010 but came to support the “good cause.” I received some feedback from New Zealand from someone who attended one of the meetings, and it was neither pleasant, nor was that particular meeting well-attended.
This homeschooling mom described a love for the wholesome image that the Vision Forum advertising paints and expressed her enjoyment of Voddie Baucham’s messages. Apparently, one session with the Botkins and the men that they took with them on the trip cured her of affection for the whole Vision Forum affiliated group. I understand that she was most disturbed by message about the subjugation of women, the religion overtly focused on gender and the idea that “daughters are engaged to their fathers until marriage” (her paraphrase and description of what she understood from the message). They also included a story of one of the Botkin Sisters’ suitors (who apparently approached Geoff Botkin) who was subjected to a process of Bible study similar to the process that Scott Brown required of the Peter Bradrick as described in the Botkin daughters’ “Return of the Daughters” video. From what was related to me, the Botkin daughter decided that she was not terribly interested in the young man after he completed this quite involved process, the young man was sent away in sorrow, and this New Zealander had the impression that the whole family expressed relief that the matchmaking did not work out.
Unfortunately the links to New Zealander homeschooling blogs are dead. Lucas probably wouldn't have entered the gun business if he had grown up in New Zealand but if he had the Christchurch massacre would have royally fucked him up.

Round about the time that McCotter's New Zealand Media efforts folded up and Botkin resigned as CEO (reported to be a business partner with McCotter in several sources), he appeared (rather mysteriously, it seems) at Vision Forum with his family in tow. In 2005, Botkin's daughters wrote a book that Vision Forum published ("So Much More"), outlining their odd views about the role of women and particularly unmarried women, glorifying the role of daughter as her father's helpmeet. All persons in a family serve the vision of the head of household, the patriarch and must have all of their activities approved by the father. In 2007, they released a video that the family produced called "The Return of the Daughters," glamorizing their teachings. In these writings, they state that they had a constant influx of university students in their home (inferring that the mysterious Geoff Botkin was a professor), and they speak as though they are not really Americans who were able to observe westerners, evaluating the problems in their worldviews. Botkin has also worked on several other Vision Forum films including something called the "League of Grateful Sons" that was released in 2005. Botkin claims to have been a Marxist, but since I know that this group teaches that anyone who rejects their rigid view of women is a Marxist, I don't know that I find this claim so convincing. I would like to know in what capacity he was a Marxist exactly.

Geoff Botkin apparently attended a GC group in Silver Spring, MD, presumably while he was a lobbyist on Capitol Hill, though I don't know for who or what. This article cites Botkin as an administrative assistant for them, dating back to 1986. His CEO bio from NZMG, he says that he was the president for "an American policy think tank," but I wonder if that just describes his activities with the GC church in Silver Spring, trying to organize a group, involving them in politics. (On the website for his current self-established video group, he states that his 12 year old son did work for the US Navy and consulted with Hopkins, so who knows. I suspect that "Deerwood Studios" is his own home studio where he trained his children. Smoke and mirrors...) Not much else is known about this man of mystery who just showed up in Texas a few years ago, and he's been busy producing films with and for Vision Forum ever since. Doug Phillips has a fascination with films and established a Christian film festival (to capitialize off of people like those who made "Fireproof" and Ben Stein's "Expelled"). They are masters of spin. So I am curious to know (and don't know that I ever will be able to discover) whether Doug Phillips recruited Botkin to make films and whether he is on Vision Forum's payroll. Botkin is touted to be quite erudite, and when his daughters spoke at a homeschooling convention that a friend of mine attended, he would not let "common folk" near his family. It was like they had secret service agents around them at all times. They come across as odd and definitely mysterious -- this supposed former Marxist.

What is terribly interesting is that Botkin has said that if conditions for families do not improve soon, he is asking for families to emigrate to New Zealand! I know of people who actually seriously investigated this. Basically, he's said that the US is becoming increasingly hostile to homeschoolers, so it is his brainchild idea to move people to New Zealand. (I'm ready to start taking up a collection to send them, but I don't think New Zealand has ever done anything that offensive to deserve that fate! Ha, ha, ha.) There are two other odd facts about this. Bill Gothard who has a center in New Zealand announced in the 1980s that he wanted all of the ATI homeschoolers (his homeschooling curriculum) to move there, too. It had something to do with his belief in the Psalm that said "From the rising of the sun to the going down of the same" and the fact that NZ sits on the international date line. And on a radio interview that I heard, Botkin talked of his plan of micromanagement of his childrens lives called the 200 Year Plan. Therein he suggests that it is his plan that his son become Prime Minister of NZ (roughly 25 years from now), something that might be hypothetical, but I don't think that anything these people say is innocent. Near the bottom of this blog post, I pull out the quote, and you can link from there to listen to the interview (which does not otherwise reference NZ).
At least 19 local mem- bers of two fundamentalist Christian churches, many of whom registered to vote here for the first time within the past three months, are running for seats on the Montgomery County Republican Central Committee and as Democratic Maryland House of Delegates candidates.

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“If it’s a calculated move to take over the party, we are going to respond,” said Brian Berry, chairman of the Maryland Young Republicans and an At-Large candidate for the Montgomery County Republican Central Committee. “I’d like so know what their agenda is."
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Geoffry Botkin, an administrative assistant at Great Commission said, “Great Commission doesn’t endorse, or sponsor, or contribute to any candidate.”

He added that the organization does not get involved in politics as a church.
More evidence of the New Zealand ties:
American businessman Jim McCotter arrived in Christchurch in November 2000. Within 14 months, he'd set up a media group, bought ailing regional station Canterbury Television, registered 14 new media-related companies and launched newspaper and a weekly magazine. NICOLA SHEPHEARD asks if McCotter's embryonic media stable represents a serious challenge to media giants Independent News Limited (INL) and Wilson & Horton? What is McCotter's game-plan and does his religious-right background hold any clues?

Media watchers were perplexed by the arrival, in July 2001, of a new southern newspaper the Christchurch Citizen. Why start a newspaper in New Zealand when the only two new tabloids of the last decade each folded within a year of launching? Why do it in Christchurch when in late 1991 the Christchurch Star, once a robust competitor to the Christchurch Press, had to restyle itself as a twice-weekly give-away to survive?

When Christchurch letter-boxes were already jammed with at least seven other community papers? One media-watcher gave the newcomer three months -- depending on the depth of its owner's pockets.

But neither James (Jim) Douglas McCotter, 57, nor fellow American and business partner Geoff Botkin were fazed. Nor were the more than 40 New Zealand staff recruited early in 2001 to produce the paper. Seven months on from launching, despite all expectations, the Christchurch Citizen is still there.
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But scratch the surface just a little and you'll find figures that don't seem to add up to a commerciallyviable operation and many unanswered questions about the business strategy behind the Citizen andMcCotter's other ventures. You'll also find large staff turnover: personnel lists show 26 out of 58 staff disappeared off the payroll between September 2001 and February 2002 and of the 17 editorial staffworking a week after the launch, only seven remain. In January and February 2002, while this story was being researched, Geoff Botkin resigned as CEO of McCotter's New Zealand Media Group, one-time model agency boss Denyse Saunders quit as editor of ES, and two more editorial staff on the Citizenhanded in their resignations. Jim McCotter left Christchurch in December 2001 for the United States, and he hasn't been sighted in New Zealand since.

A juicy bit:
Quoting Deuteronomy 22:23-27, Botkin observed that in Biblical times, a rape victim was to be executed if she didn’t cry out. “Why? Because it was in the city and she didn’t cry out and a crime was committed. And so, the cry is very important here,” he said at the 59:31 mark. In a chilling segment at the 1:00:11 mark, Botkin argued that a rape victim deserves death “if she goes along with the crime”.
“She cried out. She was not going to conceal a crime being committed. She cried out for help, and there was no one to help her. She’s not guilty, but the man who committed the crime is. But if she goes along with the crime and does not cry out, then she’s guilty too and is worthy of death because it’s a capital crime.”

First, an ancient legal code that sees women as chattel is not a sane blueprint for 21st century moral behavior. Second, it never occurs to Botkin that a rape victim might have legitimate reasons for staying silent during an assault. What if the attacker covered the victim’s mouth? What if the attacker threatened to kill the victim if he or she made noise? What if the victim experienced tonic immobility? What if the victim was incapacitated due to date rape drugs? What if a vast power differential existed between the perpetrator and victim (i.e., a prison guard attacking an inmate)? What if the victim was too young to understand what was happening? What if the victim was just scared?
The sermon audio is not available anymore so that's some wild shit Geoffrey has been saying if this wasn't pulled out of context.

Right now I don't have much time to read through the Botkins vs atheist drama but there's some effort in cult-watch communities to keep tabs on the Botkins and review their books but I could try and parse through some more stuff later.
 
Idk why this TREX shit is just happening now. I dont go deep into the instagram gun drama, but I'd already heard of the GB training story months ago. I've started watching a bunch of his stuff the last couple months and I did find it odd that he was always very unspecific when mentioning 'training' with whoever. He's definitely a sperg(he's admitted his ex thought he had autism and was socially impaired), but I like the guy. Reminds me of Fuentes, which I'm sure would make other people like him less lol
 
I happened to look into the Botkins some time ago. It's not that juicy because a lot of what's on the internet is essentially a bitchslap fight between tradcon Christians and atheist circles and both are high off their own fumes.
So, let's start. Apparently the family wanted to move to New Zealand and this is mentioned in some blogs and forums dating back to 2008-2009.

Unfortunately the links to New Zealander homeschooling blogs are dead. Lucas probably wouldn't have entered the gun business if he had grown up in New Zealand but if he had the Christchurch massacre would have royally fucked him up.



More evidence of the New Zealand ties:


A juicy bit:

The sermon audio is not available anymore so that's some wild shit Geoffrey has been saying if this wasn't pulled out of context.

Right now I don't have much time to read through the Botkins vs atheist drama but there's some effort in cult-watch communities to keep tabs on the Botkins and review their books but I could try and parse through some more stuff later.
If I remember correctly the Botkins are connected to the Quiverfull movement, but yeah it's hard to find any legitimate information on then cause it's either tradcons sucking their cocks or atheists flinging shit.

Edit: the backlash against Lucas might be gaining speed, Modlite just announced they're cutting ties.
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He's a full of shit, excuse me for using this high school term, poser. Lucas Botkin is one of the biggest jokes of the tacticool world, he has even less cred than James Yeager.
Bottom Botkin & his entire family deserve a thread of their own, but that's one rabbit hole I'm not going down again.
 
For whatever reason, the Botkin drama continues to spread over even the normie part of the gun boards. The faggot boomers at arfcom are currently going through a 50:50 split over whether he's a dumb gay twink poser or if they want to use his dick as a straw and slurp all the semen out of his balls then ask for seconds (no homo).


There is little of any substance there other than some fags claiming to know him and thinking he is a great or a terrible shot, and some fag on page 11 claiming to be a special forces gun store commando claiming that Botkin has actually trained special forces. It is invariably punctuated with claims of "he doesnt teach tactics, he teaches shooting!" by his supporters, and countered by claims that he knows nothing of tactics and will get killed in the streets by an equally dumb contingent of people who likely haven't seen their penis since high school but who are really high speed low drag.

So in essence, nothing of substance, unless some of these tactical tommies claiming to have inside knowledge of his teaching special forces actually post some proof, but they won't, because they're gay niggers and I'm saying that just because I see they linked here and nothing makes shitty boomers seethe harder than being mentioned negatively on a website they don't post on, and most of them think the general discussion forum of that site is avant-garde and edgy.

It remains difficult to corroborate his claims of teaching LEO/mil because it just isn't that hard to be a LEO instructor or whatever, and "teaching" has such a wide variance. Shot drills on his range with the county sheriff? Got called in to teach Blackwater how to clear a room? Sure would be nice if all of these people claiming he has done all this instructing would provide proof, and not in the form of one of those letters from some military company they give you in support when you do something nice for them and lead a donation drive to get them a double allocation of Rip-its or some shit.

I feel like something other than that video had to precede the modlite move, though, unless they just were fishing for a reason to break it off all along. It isn't like anything said on there was a revelation to anyone with two brain cells to rub together. That said, Botkin's nuthuggers seem content to double down and his haters seem to be fortified as well based on this non-drama.
 
I didn't know he deleted his videos but unfortunately for him some /k/ autist keeps an archive. Last updated Feb 26 so Caleb better be quick on the draw for deletions if he wants to sperg further.
I still occasionally see Caleb (or at least a really good and dedicated shitposter) on /k/ in, Every. Fucking. Paul Thread. I mean literally, every one I've seen. I think he socks to make it seem like Paul is hated because the discussion is usually positive-neutral and then BAM, 6 replies in a row about how retarded Paul is
 
In furtherance of the Lucas Botkin faggotry-

Botkin threatened legal action against the guy who claimed he was a poser, the guy in question then privated / deleted his video and issued a terrified "retraction". My guess is he prudently didn't want to deal with the legal pain in the ass that the twink could cause him and just went DFE. He could have potentially faced professional repercussions as well, even if the suit was not fruitful.


Modlite, a company that... makes lights, issued a statement stating they will no longer do business with Trex Arms, citing integrity issues.

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Botkin states on instagram it is due to him having "issues" with their lights.

A response to some queermo on arfcom from modlite indicates more drama:

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For those inexperienced with the same, firearms accessory manufacturers thrive on drama for some reason, as it is the best way to generate hype to sell the 50th iteration of whatever shitty mcguffin you invented that is theoretically 2% better than the last version. Nobody gets there quite like suppressor manufacturers (Kevin Brittingham could have a thread to himself) but lights are another one of those things that as long as they are light, compact, bright, and tough enough who fucking cares- except the gear queers, of course.

But the implication from that email exchange, if legitimate, is that Botkin shafted them on a product or order. I didn't take it to mean that the sender was the thief.
 
For those inexperienced with the same, firearms accessory manufacturers thrive on drama for some reason, as it is the best way to generate hype to sell the 50th iteration of whatever shitty mcguffin you invented that is theoretically 2% better than the last version.
Have you ever seen Griffin Armament's shitpost-tier drama stirring? It's somethin'.
 
What even started this current shit fit over Botkin, anyway?


Lots of different companies have accused them of ripping off their products.

Some nobody in the navy posted a YouTube video calling Botkin out on being a poser who claims to be training special forces and law enforcement.

So far as I know, Botkin hasn't responded directly, although his legion of entirely too invested fans have descended upon a handful of gun boards to fight for their maiden's honor about these scandalous slurs.

Botkin did however eventually threaten legal action, and the poster of the callout video has deleted the original video as a result and put out an apology.

In all, it's pretty tame and really just a nexus of vetbros getting mad that a random dude is getting instagram gun celeb status, and said random dude's nuthuggers hugging his nuts. There isn't much more to it than that, but a lot of people dislike Lucas because despite what he now backpedals to, he has absolutely implied to be a trainer for special forces and LE but he has no credentials and is a low-mid level competition shooter (A class uspsa at best). Having him "train" your special forces on shooting makes about as much sense as offering a contract to the high shooter at your local IDPA match.

Have you ever seen Griffin Armament's shitpost-tier drama stirring? It's somethin'.

Yeah, silencer companies are weird and they all have bad blood with one another. They almost always are engaged in silly battles despite most people nowadays making form 1 cans for cheaper and more quickly that are 99% as good...
 
Some nobody in the navy posted a YouTube video calling Botkin out on being a poser who claims to be training special forces and law enforcement.

So far as I know, Botkin hasn't responded directly, although his legion of entirely too invested fans have descended upon a handful of gun boards to fight for their maiden's honor about these scandalous slurs.

Botkin did however eventually threaten legal action, and the poster of the callout video has deleted the original video as a result and put out an apology.

In all, it's pretty tame and really just a nexus of vetbros getting mad that a random dude is getting instagram gun celeb status, and said random dude's nuthuggers hugging his nuts. There isn't much more to it than that, but a lot of people dislike Lucas because despite what he now backpedals to, he has absolutely implied to be a trainer for special forces and LE but he has no credentials and is a low-mid level competition shooter (A class uspsa at best)

How in the fuck is this news now? We've been calling Botkin a fucking poser and a liar for years. He has no professional credentials and can't train anyone. The retard tried to say he trained SWAT once iirc cause a SWAT team rented a facility or some shit his dad owns.
 
How in the fuck is this news now? We've been calling Botkin a fucking poser and a liar for years. He has no professional credentials and can't train anyone. The retard tried to say he trained SWAT once iirc cause a SWAT team rented a facility or some shit his dad owns.

It isn't news. He just has absurdly devoted fans for an instagunner with a middle of the road kydex holster business. And by that I mean he probably has a few sockpuppets or friends with socks.

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Currently he is claiming he did not send a cease and desist or similar.
 
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