General Smartphone Discussion Thread - What phones to recommend and which ones to avoid?

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The Google shit is starting to (or at least has been) screw with foreign mobile phone users, specifically in the Aisa region... Japan, China, Korea, SEA, doesn't matter. Apparently they have to go through hoops like using a VPN to create a google+ account and then deleting the play store application data after they download what they want while turning off all updates and then turning off the VPN. Even if the app in question is available on other storefronts (e.g. QooApp, TapTap, etc...) they still need to do all of that. Otherwise they wind up seeing this all the time:
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If you're like me, who has everything google turned off, some apps don't even open properly, they just insta-crash with a "Something Went Wrong" message that flashes for like a split second before returning you to your phone desktop.
 
Modern rooting is far from what it was when it first came to prominence; and depending on your priorities, it's arguably not worth it anymore; since there are so many things you can do without it. But it's a trade-off. Either you learn to work around failing play integrity checks, play the cat and mouse game, or give up and unroot.

I was rooting my phone mainly out of habit and if I had the ability to root my phone I usually would, but nowadays there are phones that are just flatly not rootable, due to the lack of the oem unlock option. To make matters worse, some phones, especially samsung, break TEE permanently which means even if you decide to unroot, restore stock and re-lock that is not enough for you to pass these kinds of security checks anymore.
i was a nexus phone custom firmware user until i got the nexus 5x, which had such bad kernel and driver support the device was essentially dead in the water despite having the "full graces" of LG and Google. Unlike the nexus 4 there was no software to run on it probably because you had to eschew tap to pay and the fingerprint reader to use a custom firmware. Being a snapdragon 808 device the processors delaminate and stop booting, but the nexus 5x was so badly designed my screen came off. Also the nexus 6 was so fucked up it literally shattered in people's hands.

You know what i did? i bought a blackberry priv and never looked back. Then i bought a key2. I haven't used a touch keyboard or a custom rom in like 8 years because the hardware user interface is practically the only thing that matters to the user experience
 
Google developers blog: Android developer verification: Early access starts now as we continue to build with your feedback (archive)

Supporting students and hobbyists

We heard from developers who were concerned about the barrier to entry when building apps intended only for a small group, like family or friends. We are using your input to shape a dedicated account type for students and hobbyists. This will allow you to distribute your creations to a limited number of devices without going through the full verification requirements.

Empowering experienced users

While security is crucial, we’ve also heard from developers and power users who have a higher risk tolerance and want the ability to download unverified apps.

Based on this feedback and our ongoing conversations with the community, we are building a new advanced flow that allows experienced users to accept the risks of installing software that isn't verified. We are designing this flow specifically to resist coercion, ensuring that users aren't tricked into bypassing these safety checks while under pressure from a scammer. It will also include clear warnings to ensure users fully understand the risks involved, but ultimately, it puts the choice in their hands. We are gathering early feedback on the design of this feature now and will share more details in the coming months.
 
Apparently CalyxOS is still alive:

CalyxOS progress report — signing, team capacity, and more​

  • CalyxOS is working seamlessly with our security consultants to finalize the HSM signing solution.
  • The Calyx engineering is fixing our data infrastructure.
  • Three new roles are open for CalyxOS.
As promised, today the CalyxOS team is sharing an update on our progress to improve the project and increase transparency.

Throughout the past few weeks, the team has been focusing on improving the security of our critical infrastructure and tackling long lasting challenges. In addition, we are revising our communication strategy toward a combination between providing thorough updates and building capacity for direct engagement in our community channels. Understandably, the decrease of the team voice and public actions have raised questions and concerns around the capacity of the project. We would like to respond to concerns people have raised by confirming that CalyxOS hasn’t been compromised and the organization is directing significant resources to get it back on track. We deeply appreciate all the people who have been sharing their concerns with us. And we will try our best to address their questions in this report.

Redesigning the CalyxOS signing process​


We are finalizing the design of a Hardware Security Module (HSM) signing solution for CalyxOS. A HSM is a dedicated physical hardware device that generates and stores cryptographic keys in a tamper-resistant environment; the keys never leave the HSM, which puts a guardrail against key extraction and compromise. We decided to move to a HSM because signing keys are a critical part of the chain of trust: they are what verifies to your device that an update actually comes from CalyxOS and hasn’t been tampered with.

Our criteria for the CalyxOS signing solution were that it should be: available, affordable, secure, expandable, auditable, redundant, easy to access, and aligned to the mission of the Calyx Institute. These requirements were what led us to choose the HSM solution among available options. Specifically, we selected the YubiHSM2 based on our current urgent development requirements and resources as an interim solution while we evaluate and build out a long-term solution. To keep our solutions consistent with a seamless transition in the future, we are ensuring that our keys are transferable both operationally and technically, and that CalyxOS users will not need to reflash their devices beyond the initial installation.

Our work has also included integrating AOSP’s documented signing process with PKCS #11, the public-key cryptography standard for communicating with HSMs and cryptographic devices. To make that happen, we are building an interface layer between the two that does not yet exist in the standard AOSP tools or within the FOSS community.

Right now, we are finalizing the detailed provisioning plan for the signing process under the guidance and testing from our independent, third-party security consultants.

Once the new signing infrastructure and procedure is in place, documentation and code will be shared as a FOSS project as part of our commitment to open source, transparency, and community collaboration.

Adapting to the new norm of AOSP releases​


Google has made serious changes to AOSP development in the last few months; monthly security patches are often empty and public git tags for developers, which make it easy to identify patches, are no longer available. As the changes unfold gradually, the challenge of keeping a regular and timely development cycle with all these AOSP changes remains significant as the custom ROM community has spoken about extensively.

Despite these challenges, we have made the decision to — in our best effort — further extend our device support for moto g32, g42, g52, Pixel 5, 4a 5G, and Pixel 5a 5G when CalyxOS resumes update releases. That means people with these devices can install the Android 16 version of CalyxOS when it becomes available. We are still gauging whether we can ship QPR1 to these extended release devices, pending the release of the QPR1 source; QPR2 is even less certain as we assess the work involved. Once we have builds ready with a thorough evaluation of the case, we will publish a confirmed new EOL date for devices for which we provide extended support.

In the interim, we have also reached out to our peer custom ROM developers and several device manufacturers to align strategies to sustainably access and publish OS security patches. We hope that this collective effort of the global FOSS community will stop the trend of closing source for AOSP and other open-source projects.

Building capacity for the CalyxOS team​


In reality, Calyx has been a small team running a lot of projects, not least of all CalyxOS. We are stretched thin right now and our priority has been getting CalyxOS back up and running ASAP. As we are drafting this report, we are also working diligently to expand development capacity and optimize team structure. We have brought Lucas—a long-time CalyxOS community facilitator—to the team as our new Calyx Community Coordinator, a role that has never existed in the organization before. In addition, we are in active recruitment for the CalyxOS Android Board Support Packages (BSP) Engineer position and a new Android Platform Software Developer. Keep an eye on our job board and please help spread the word!
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Samsung will do everything but increase their RAM capacity, The only current flagship you can get from them in most markets is the 1TB Z Fold 7. The S20 Ultra had 16GB in 2020. The S26 Ultra will still have the reduced 12GB RAM. The iPhone 17 Pro models have 12GB of RAM. 2025 was the first year since 2009 that Apple and Samsung's flagships had the same a mount of system memory (and Apple offers up to 2TB of NVME storage on the Pro Max.) Samsung is really getting on my nerves with the constant cost cutting.
 
Google has few good things. Android is one of them, and the fact they're ruining it is actually making me consider Apple, which pisses me off.
Hell the only reason I say Android is good because it's open source. And they're even reconsidering that. What the fuck would be the point to stick to it if they're gutting their ecosystem for "security" and closing it off? You already helped ruin the Internet, now your killing the only decent alternatives for mobile devices? I hate these people.
 
I got my unihertz Titan 2 today and spent quite a while getting it set up. The hardware is extremely well built and it has a strange mix of extremely nice comfort features and barebones dogshit chinese errata. My biggest complaints aren't even with unihertz they're with how android works now, like the fucking task switcher, the camera app, and the quick settings menu. The default google apps suck ass now. my fucking god they legitimately got rid of all of the parts of the UI that were better than iOS and replaced them with things the same as iOS

The biggest shocker about unihertz' part of this joint is that there isn't any software for the keyboard and the blackberry keyboard was doing a lot of heavy lifting for the user experience of the Key2. they're using "kika keyboard" because it has a mini popup for devices with a keyboard but its like they just picked the first option that worked at all and ran with it. There's literally a hardware symbol key and it doesn't do anything, lol. There's a third party keyboard called "pastiera" that's currently in beta on github specifically designed for the titan 2 that brings the bare minimum functionality expected like "symbol key menu" and "swipe to delete" but unfortunately it doesn't have autocorrect. swipe to type is out of the question.

you CAN scroll with the keyboard like on the key2 and it's exactly the same but that's because it's just a generic android touchpad input, and they literally didn't modify the system software to work with it at all so you can press buttons with the touchpad or swipe away messages, which is just ass. Essentially it works fine in apps but not in the system, but which might explain why blackberry disabled that stuff in the system. The singular thing this phone nails is using the touchpad to move the cursor - it's better than blackberry's implementation. possibly because they didn't bother trying to implement anything else. Also, the second screen on the back is retarded and does not replace a notification light but at least it does something cool and is mostly forgettable until i need it? Overall that's kind of my experience with this so far, it's mostly ok but there's tons of annoyances where they didn't bother coming up with solutions for problems that they created.

Overall this phone is exactly what i expected it to be which is a completely ergonomic disaster without any of the software tweaks necessary to make using a hardware keyboard a sane thing to do. This is a phone for absolute chuds retarded enough to take the bait. will daily drive it for years to come. 7/10
 
They released a new software update for the titan 2 which solved the four biggest annoyances i had with the phone.

1) built in kika keyboard software now has an emoji and symbol popup menu, meaning it's not dogshit anymore.
2) touchpad scrolling can be switched between unihertz style, blackberry style, and fucked up slow acceleration style per-app in settings. (I wondered about the slow acceleration one so i installed runescape and it means the keyboard touchpad scrolling the camera is smoothed out. very fancy)
3) Now you can use tablet UI. they got rid of the tablet bar if you change your DPI settings so you don't have an obnoxious taskbar and gesture bar taking up screen real estate.
4) you can lock the rear screen so it only displays the clock. i locked it with an app loaded and it kept the app active on the rear screen but you could interact with it still. you can probably hack it into displaying whatever you want now if you're clever.

So i'm gonna change that 7/10 to a 9/10 actually this just went from usable gimmick to blackberry replacement
 
So someone saw the Planet Cosmo and went 'not folding but also make it a square'. That's certainly a... ergonomic decision.
i completely forgot about the rebooted cosmo communicator. there was also the f(x)tec one but i'm pretty sure both of them were actually heinous abominations just thrown out to make a quick buck off of kickstarter. It's why i never bothered with the other unihertz phones but this is like the fourth one they've done so i was willing to give it a shot. It's just a blackberry passport made chinese style

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the square really doesn't matter that much because of how you hold it. the biggest ergonomic shortcoming is that the phone is 8 ounces and a centimeter thick. it's actually quite comfortable to use but it's not comfortable to pick up or put down
 
Samsung’s Galaxy Z TriFold Goes Official With A 10-Inch Unfolded LTPO OLED Screen, Only 3.9mm In Thickness, Older Snapdragon 8 Elite, Titanium Hinge & More
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Instead of the newest Snapdragon 8 Elite Gen 5, Samsung has opted for the Snapdragon 8 Elite for Galaxy, which is made on TSMC’s 3nm ‘N3E’ process. It is possible the company chose an older SoC to save on component costs, and we say this because there are only two variants of the Galaxy Z TriFold with 16GB of LPDDR5X RAM that are either paired with 512GB or 1TB of internal storage. Unfortunately, storage expansion through a microSD card isn’t possible.
>Make phone the size of a tablet
>Don't include any ports or card slots
 
forgive me for linking tech nigger 2: indian boogalloo but it's a full review and unboxing

it's very thin, and it looks cool because of that, but it doesn't look like something i would ever want to own. At least the razr looks like something i kind of want, i do not want a phone that turns into a tablet because android's tablet ui has been fucking atrocious post-jelly bean. I will never ever ever EVER buy an OLED device with permanent on-screen UI features again

Yo dawg we heard you like status bars so we put a status bar on top of your status bar so you dont get those 100 pixels of vertical screen space. also it's white so it burns in faster. also it's a thousand dollar device btw :)

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it's very thin, and it looks cool because of that, but it doesn't look like something i would ever want to own.
The foldable concept is solid, i.e. just the idea of a phone expanding into tablet size and back, but they've been around for almost 7 years without getting cheap. Maybe it will be a competition by the mid-2030s. As far as UI goes, Samsung's is a customized "One UI" rather than stock Android, and they also have the "DeX" desktop docking mode (something Android abandoned to leave to vendors to implement). Maybe these are more tolerable than stock Android, idk.

Apple has been looong rumored to get in on the action, now slated for 2027, I guess.

I also like the "Z Flip" style as a modern throwback to the old flip phone I used to use. Instead of giving you more screen, they make it more compact and have a tiny secondary display.

You gotta wonder if the ram shortages are going to cause smartphones to spike in pricing in the next 1-2 years as their stockpiled ram runs dry.
Signs point to yes:

NVIDIA Demand May Double LPDDR5X and Server DRAM Prices in 2026

Server memory prices to double year-over-year in 2026, LPDDR5X prices could follow — 'seismic shift' means even smartphone-class memory isn't safe from AI-induced crunch

Might be worth it to step back to 8-12 GB, or just pick up a used phone if you take forever to upgrade them.

The memory amounts in question are small enough that I would be surprised if MSRPs shot up too much because of memory alone, but now there's talk of wafers in general getting squeezed by AI demand:
Sure, for GPUs, the rising DRAM costs owing to poor supply make sense, but for CPUs, it doesn't make any sense since they don't feature any DRAM or NAND chips onboard the interposer. But what could lead to the price hikes is probably a shortage of wafers since the higher demand from the AI segment can lead to wafers being prioritized for AI chips instead of consumers. DRAM suppliers have already said that they are focusing on long-term profitability, and major chip producers such as TSMC might also be leveraging the situation.
 
The foldable concept is solid, i.e. just the idea of a phone expanding into tablet size and back, but they've been around for almost 7 years without getting cheap.
ZTE made a phone with 2 screens called the z999 that was absolutely dirt cheap, i got a C grade device on eBay for 80 bucks five or six years ago. it was a complete disaster of a device only because the app support with a square screen was terrible. you would deploy to dual screen mode and apps would end up displaying less content than the phone mode. the bezel in the middle wasn't even that big of a deal in landscape but it was retarded in portrait. it was a good idea with OK execution hamstrung by the ecosystem

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it was awesome for using chrome and typing in landscape with a screen on top, but the biggest issues with it were just default android behavior. i do not think it has changed at all because Sarnsung and Huawei are the worst when it comes to retarded sophistry that defaults to stock behavior and google has been hell-bent on making the stock experience unusable

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also the unihertz titan 2 isn't just a spiritual successor to the blackberry passport it is literally using the same glass panel and digitizer. the austentatious "unihertz" badge on the front is covering the original blackberry logo. i don't know if that's horrifying or absolutely brilliant
 
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The foldable concept is solid, i.e. just the idea of a phone expanding into tablet size and back, but they've been around for almost 7 years without getting cheap. Maybe it will be a competition by the mid-2030s. As far as UI goes, Samsung's is a customized "One UI" rather than stock Android, and they also have the "DeX" desktop docking mode (something Android abandoned to leave to vendors to implement). Maybe these are more tolerable than stock Android, idk.
theres a lot to be left desired. i bought a refurbed fold 4 for drawing and the bigger screen is nice for drawing or reading but its really fragile. the big screen ended up with lines of dead pixels after a pocket pebble managed to get in the little gap. the digitizer also lost sensitivity where the fold was. the front screen was tiny. its good for people like my missus who arent doing a lot of phyical activity for work.
 
The foldable concept is solid, i.e. just the idea of a phone expanding into tablet size and back, but they've been around for almost 7 years without getting cheap. Maybe it will be a competition by the mid-2030s. As far as UI goes, Samsung's is a customized "One UI" rather than stock Android, and they also have the "DeX" desktop docking mode (something Android abandoned to leave to vendors to implement). Maybe these are more tolerable than stock Android, idk.
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I'm still holding out for someone to make a phone in North America in the Pura X form factor. It just makes a lot more sense. It's more pocketable then a folding phablet as it isn't so long it'll bend in your pocket and it has enough screen size on the front and inside to actually justify it.
 
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