General Wrestling Discussion

[XYZpdq Jr.]

winning the Rumble

Penta winning it would be sorta cool but he already won the Rey de Reyes and that battle royale has a badass sword as the prize. Hard to top that.

 

[A.P. Hill]

Seth was given so my softballs by Punk for months on end, it's almost impressive to see him flounder when the chance mattered. I don't even think this was Punk at his strongest either. He was just able to cook Rollins with such ease.

Seth has been cooked by Jim Ross on Twitter before. If he wasn't Triple H's favorite Vanilla Midget, he'd be an upper midcarder at best. Kind of impressive how he hasn't improved his promo skills one bit since the end of the Shield.

 

[trent]

Seth has been cooked by Jim Ross on Twitter before. If he wasn't Triple H's favorite Vanilla Midget, he'd be an upper midcarder at best. Kind of impressive how he hasn't improved his promo skills one bit since the end of the Shield.

Remember the time he claimed to be the best in-ring performer in the world and he was mocked by pretty much everyone in wrestling on social media because Ospreay was having his break-out year at the time.

He then made him self look like even more of an utter bitch by resorting to pointing out that he got paid more than Will which just made things worse.

I have never "got" Rollins. He's ok in the ring but i don't really understand what his character is supposed to be or why someone would be a fan of his.

 

[Caddo Cobgang]

i don't really understand what his character is supposed to be or why someone would be a fan of his.

this is also Bret Hart's criticism, and I agree he doesn't really do anything unique besides being Mr.Wrestler Guy, I think he's a bit better as a full-blown heel but still theres nothing you can really point to promo-wise or in-ring that really makes him stand out in comparison to everyone else on the roster, granted I think he's had a better career then Moxley

 

[The Nothingness]

The Royal Rumble has to be the next stop for Joe Hendry.

 

[trent]

this is also Bret Hart's criticism, and I agree he doesn't really do anything unique besides being Mr.Wrestler Guy, I think he's a bit better as a full-blown heel but still theres nothing you can really point to promo-wise or in-ring that really makes him stand out in comparison to everyone else on the roster, granted I think he's had a better career then Moxley

Solo Dean Ambrose in WWE fucking sucked but when Mox left and went to AEW/NJPW it was a breath of fresh air for a while and he was able to work a stiffer/bloodier style that suited the character better.

However, he never really evolved past that and this current angle of him "taking over" AEW to save it is nonsensical because his boring-as-fuck title reign is a big part of the reason they are only doing 600k a week on their main show. I'd argue that the most popular guy in the Deathriders is Claudio because he can work a great match with literally anyone.

Personally, i think Mox and Rollins are at about the same level. Guys who we are being convinced are big deals but are never really given a reason to care about long term. I know it's a fairly silly metric but no one is including a Moxley or Rollins match in their top 10 of any year. They are just sort of there in the upper card because that's where the bookers feel like they should be.

 

[AllieKat]

Remember the time he claimed to be the best in-ring performer in the world and he was mocked by pretty much everyone in wrestling on social media because Ospreay was having his break-out year at the time.

He then made him self look like even more of an utter bitch by resorting to pointing out that he got paid more than Will which just made things worse.

I have never "got" Rollins. He's ok in the ring but i don't really understand what his character is supposed to be or why someone would be a fan of his.

I never understand his faggot outfits. He's like Elton John if he was a wrestler.

Good intro music thought.

 

[ElHijodeDeficienciaCogni]

I have never "got" Rollins. He's ok in the ring but i don't really understand what his character is supposed to be or why someone would be a fan of his.

Seth Rollins never was, nor ever will be cool.

The Royal Rumble has to be the next stop for Joe Hendry.

 

[Kaizer Ghidorah]

because Ospreay was having his break-out year at the time.

Comedy because osprey fucking sucks just another overrated spot monkey

 

[PTNR 2.0]

I don't think it was doomed until Vince was ousted. I think if Vince was still running WWE AEW would still be averaging 750-800k a week. They still would have lost some fans, but it wouldn't have been nearly as bad.

This is correct.

Spoiler: extremely gay speculation bordering on fantasy booking

Even setting aside how bad the television product was under the last couple Vince years, Vince still at the helm to this day would likely have resulted in:

-Cody not jumping due to having another run as Stardust waiting for him if he does and absolutely no "Finish the Story" angle, even if he did. At best, he's renamed "Rhodes", fed to Reigns and then bumped to the upper midcard.

-No way in hell Punk re-signs. He likely still leaves AEW, of course, but he just retires again.

-Probably a lot more Future Endeavors/people opting not to re-sign, and jumping to AEW instead. At a minimum, we'd see the eventual AEW runs of Steen, Generico, Gargano, Kross, Chiampa and Styles, as well at some point; I wouldn't even be shocked at all to see AEW runs for Prince Devitt, Tyler Black and Charlotte, either. The entire Undisputed Era would probably find themselves free at approximately the same time and being able to debut in AEW as a group (rather than Roddy being held onto to prevent this exact scenario). Probably WALTER at some point, too, since he'd likely be Samoan food upon making it to the main roster (if he even was called up) under Vince. (This may sound like a LOT, but remember; Vince was in full "fuck you, Haitch"- internal-power-struggle-TOTAL-INDIETARD-DEATH mode when he unceremoniously left, and even some of the main roster ex-indietards would've likely gotten sick of being Samoan food at some point and want to go have m'bangers with their ROH/PWG/etc. buddies instead).

-No way there's the sort of cooperation with TNA that we're seeing now. Like, maybe Rhyno (or a couple others with Fed history) gets signed for one last midcard run at some point, or a very select few "incidentally worked a few dates for TNA" types like Hammerstone get signed and perma-NXT'd, but we wouldn't see 99% of the TNA-WWE cross-fraternization we see now. As mentioned above, Vince was in full 'de-indietard the Fed' mode at the time he left. He wouldn't be hiring more <5'10" flippy "muh workrate" types.

-Most people leaving AEW would go to the indies (TNA, MLW, etc.) or Japan. I don't see Vince having any interest in Pillman, the Lucha Bros, Ethan Page, etc. He'd likely be into Cargill, but she'd have to spend quite a while at the Performance Center learning to actually work at a level that's presentable on TV to WWE's standards and then a couple years on NXT before she is allowed to job to Jax.

TL;DR - Vince at the helm would deprive the Fed of one of it's biggest angles in years (Cody finishing the story) AND a massively over 'new' superstar, deny them of a huge PR coup over AEW from Punk re-signing, more workers (typically current/former indie darlings) are cut from the roster and jump to AEW as Vince continues to clean house and few, if any, from TNA or AEW get signed.

I can't wait for Triple H to come to the ring for the first Raw on Netflix and say "Welcome to Raw! Fucking ass shitfuck fuckshit cocksucker retard faggotnigger tittyfuck rape assfuck Chris Benoit anal cockrape faggot!"

Inshallah

 

[cypocryphy]

this is also Bret Hart's criticism, and I agree he doesn't really do anything unique besides being Mr.Wrestler Guy, I think he's a bit better as a full-blown heel but still theres nothing you can really point to promo-wise or in-ring that really makes him stand out in comparison to everyone else on the roster, granted I think he's had a better career then Moxley

The most emotion Bret got out of me was when he turned heel in the USA in 1997. I couldn't stand him or the Hart Foundation at the time. His promos were a lot better that year too.

 

[Figantic Gaggot]

my favorite thing about rumble season is all the bullshit entry/elim pools marks come up with. Yeah sure putting brock in the rumble wont be a total PR disaster for TKO.

The Royal Rumble has to be the next stop for Joe Hendry.

i can see it, but i also feel that it's too little too late with joe hendry. the hendry express has slowed down quite a bit. it's all about steven flowe now

 

[Anchors-Away]

Smackdown going to 3 hours is somewhat amusing given Baron Corbin is the sort of act you'd want to help pad that time out and they fired him. Meanwhile Apollo Crews still remains

 

[JustStopDude]

I'm kind of surprised, but I'm enjoying the decline of Meltzer a lot more than I ever thought I would. I always expected that once he passed on, that was when the knives were going to come out.

Meltzer was smart with what he did. He made dirt sheets a bit more mainstream and he was fantastic at monetizing it. He certainly wasn't the first to do dirt sheets, but he was the first to make good, consistent money at it. He made a mini empire.

For so long, it really felt Meltzer was untouchable. The only people that would call him out were guys long retired from the industry.

Him going all in on the Japanese style and it basically falling flat has been enjoyable to watch. His retarded five star rating system, which neither him or Jim Cornette created but at least Jim admits that, is gradually approaching double digits. The reviews of shows that it's clear he never fucking watched (this was apparent long ago), has become even more obvious.

Just seeing the guy having to deal with the simple fact he is no longer the gate keeper of wrestling and thanks to Tony Khan, we can see that a Fed run by Dave would quickly fail.

Dave is certainly still making money. Hell, he is making other people money. How many podcasts have cropped up that serve to just shit on Dave?

It's really a wild time to be an old fart, wrestling fan.

Happy New Year.

 

[The Nothingness]

Looks like Omos is going to spend some time in Noah as he just won their heavyweight tag belt. And yes, that is Yoshi Tatsu on the left.

 

[Random Internet Person]

 

[Ambient Occlusion]

I can't wait for Triple H to come to the ring for the first Raw on Netflix and say "Welcome to Raw! Fucking ass shitfuck fuckshit cocksucker retard faggotnigger tittyfuck rape assfuck Chris Benoit anal cockrape faggot!"

NETFLIX!

Leaked first episode of the Netflix Raw premiere

 

[trent]

Speedball and Baron Corbin are both free agents as of a few hours ago so expect a debut from one or possibly both on tonights Dynamite.

 

[Harm]

Just what AEW needs to turn the tides: Borin' Baron Corbin.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

"and so, in 2025, the crowd was concerned about Jeff Jarrett retiring and didn't want it to happen"